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Post by dyoungteach on Feb 22, 2021 13:43:55 GMT -5
Just for fun and educational interest..... I’m hoping others will participate also. We all know draft picks change drastically over 3 months before draft. So let’s predict who Red Sox will pick. Interested to see how many either predict winner or player who will be picked before Red Sox pick. Start at 7 points and get minus 1 for each draft slot away from 4 your guy goes. Out of say 10 picks I’m guessing less than 20% are accurate or even at a 6 score and that’s with us owning a top 4 pick
I predict Brady House
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Post by mikeyg413 on Feb 22, 2021 13:54:13 GMT -5
Just for fun and educational interest..... I’m hoping others will participate also. We all know draft picks change drastically over 3 months before draft. So let’s predict who Red Sox will pick. Interested to see how many either predict winner or player who will be picked before Red Sox pick. Start at 7 points and get minus 1 for each draft slot away from 4 your guy goes. Out of say 10 picks I’m guessing less than 20% are accurate or even at a 6 score and that’s with us owning a top 4 pick I predict Brady House I think they’ll take a college arm. One of Leiter, Rocker, or Hill
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 22, 2021 13:58:11 GMT -5
I'm predicting Marcelo Mayer, the SS will be the #4 pick, based on no knowledge whatsoever.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Feb 22, 2021 14:09:08 GMT -5
My prediction was Mayer a few pages back so I won't change it.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 22, 2021 14:21:20 GMT -5
Just putting this here for my later reference.
MLB.com 2018 draft ranking as of Jan 28 and where player was selected.
1 Brady Singer RHP Florida (1-18) 2 Ethan Hankins RHP Forsyth Central HS Ga. (1-35) 3 Matthew Liberatore LHP HS senior (1-16) 4 Nolan Gorman 3b O'Connor HS Arizona (1-19) 5 Shane McClanahan LHP South Florida U So (1-31) 6 Nandor De Sedas ss Montverde HS senior (29th round) 7 Brice Turang ss Santiago HS Cali. (1-21) 8 Casey Mize RHP Auburn Junior (1-1) 9 Ryan Rolison lhp Ole Miss soph (1-22) 10 Jackson Kowar RHP Florida junior (1-33) 11 Nick Madrigal ss Oregon State junior (1-4) 12 Jarred Kelenic of Waukesha HS (1-6) 13 Jeremy Eirman ss Missouri state junior (2-70) 14 Travis Swaggerty of South Alabama Ju. (1-10) 15 Ryan Weathers LHP Loretto HS senior (1-7) 16 Logan Gilbert RHP Stetson Junior (1-14) 17 Kumar Rocker RHP North Oconee HS (38th round) 18 Joey Bart c Georgia Tech Junior (1-2) 19 Griffin Conine of Duke Junior (2-52) 20 Will Banfield C Brockwood HS Ga (2-69) 21 Cole Wilcox RHP Heritage HS Ga (37th round) 22 Mason Denaburg RHP Merritt Island HS (1-27) 23 Konnor Pilkington lhp Mississippi State Junior (3-81) 24 Carter Stewart RHP Eau Gallie HS (1-8) 25 Greyson Jenista of Wichita State Ju. (2-49)
1-3 Bohm 26th 1-5 India not top 50 1-9 Murray not top 50 but weird-ass pick 1-11 GrayRod not top 50
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Post by badfishnbc on Feb 22, 2021 14:23:25 GMT -5
If they think House can stick at shortstop (he's tall!) I think they go with the massive upside.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Feb 22, 2021 14:38:30 GMT -5
I advocate that the Red Sox use the number four pick to select the player who will generate the most career WAR of anyone from the 2021 draft, including the three players selected in front of the Red Sox selection. I further go on record that the Red Sox should begin an extremely heavy scouting engagement with this player right now, if they have not already done so. I want the relationship between the team and the player so close that he accepts a massively under slot deal just because.
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Post by tyler3 on Feb 22, 2021 14:43:31 GMT -5
Ok so see Joe Doyle pertaining Rocker,
“Kumar Rocker is done after 4 IP. He goes 67 pitches, allows 1 hit but surrenders 3 walks. 8 Ks. Mechanics began to fail him in the 5th. Missed up and away with 8 straight fastballs. That'll be the key to his success in 2021. Has to command the fastball. Regardless, great debut.“
And that’s kinda what I was talking about earlier. Dominant through 3-4 innings...then command goes a bit and walks the first two in the fifth. The slider is nasty, and the fastball CAN be nasty. But through lost velocity or command, the fast ball sometimes goes, which leaves him 1 pitch until we see a change up. I love him, a lot, but this is why analysts are on the fence between Rocker and others...it is not a slam dunk ...yet......Jack is up next.
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Post by agastonguay13 on Feb 22, 2021 15:21:44 GMT -5
Just for fun and educational interest..... I’m hoping others will participate also. We all know draft picks change drastically over 3 months before draft. So let’s predict who Red Sox will pick. Interested to see how many either predict winner or player who will be picked before Red Sox pick. Start at 7 points and get minus 1 for each draft slot away from 4 your guy goes. Out of say 10 picks I’m guessing less than 20% are accurate or even at a 6 score and that’s with us owning a top 4 pick I predict Brady House I still have to go with Leiter. I think the size factor is going to lead teams 1-3 to choose Rocker and/or Hill before Leiter if all else is basically even. Also, while the BPA philosophy is the way to go generally, I can't see Detroit using their #1 on a pitcher given how strong their system currently is at that position (Mize, Manning Skubal). That leaves PIT and TEX to choose ahead of us. I feel, based on nothing in particular, that Nolan Ryan's influence on the Rangers will lead to them selecting one of the horses (Rocker/Hill) before Leiter.
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Post by manfred on Feb 22, 2021 17:13:43 GMT -5
Am I wrong, or is this just a question of who takes Leiter or Rocker before the Sox get to pick? Is there a sense either makes it to #4 (barring, recognizing Chris’s cautionary rankings, a catastrophic fall for one of them).
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Post by agastonguay13 on Feb 22, 2021 17:20:35 GMT -5
Am I wrong, or is this just a question of who takes Leiter or Rocker before the Sox get to pick? Is there a sense either makes it to #4 (barring, recognizing Chris’s cautionary rankings, a catastrophic fall for one of them). I'm just hoping Leiter makes it to #4. I have a strong gut feeling about him.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Feb 22, 2021 17:47:04 GMT -5
Am I wrong, or is this just a question of who takes Leiter or Rocker before the Sox get to pick? Is there a sense either makes it to #4 (barring, recognizing Chris’s cautionary rankings, a catastrophic fall for one of them). I wouldn't lock anyone in yet, especially not after only a handful of innings. So much will change in the next 4+ months.
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Post by radiohix on Feb 22, 2021 17:58:35 GMT -5
The thing about Rocker is that he has absolutely no idea where his fastball is going and it's been this way since HS, he commands his breaking ball way better than he does with the heater. Look at where the catcher set his glove pre-pitch and where the ball ends up Here (1):
And here (2):
Even if he's available at 4, I wouldn't take him.
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Post by tyler3 on Feb 22, 2021 18:05:34 GMT -5
Jack Leiter is dealing and hitting 100...,good grief
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Post by vermontsox1 on Feb 22, 2021 18:32:10 GMT -5
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Post by tyler3 on Feb 22, 2021 18:44:26 GMT -5
Replying to @carlosacollazo Jack Leiter is done after five. His line: 5 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 HBP, 8 K (69 pitches, 45 strikes). Really impressive outing.
So I’d say regardless of tv gun being 2mph hot, Jack Leiter takes round 1.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Feb 22, 2021 18:54:16 GMT -5
Just for fun and educational interest..... I’m hoping others will participate also. We all know draft picks change drastically over 3 months before draft. So let’s predict who Red Sox will pick. Interested to see how many either predict winner or player who will be picked before Red Sox pick. Start at 7 points and get minus 1 for each draft slot away from 4 your guy goes. Out of say 10 picks I’m guessing less than 20% are accurate or even at a 6 score and that’s with us owning a top 4 pick I predict Brady House I’ll play. Jaden Hill, LSU.
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Post by stevedillard on Feb 22, 2021 18:54:49 GMT -5
Based on no factual data, I tend to think pitching is too volatile, even 1st round round pitchers. I think that the high end position players, even at the HS level, are more certain, and so would want the SS or if needed, the OFers. Then, to make up the risk in volume, a pitcher in the second, third and fourth rounds.
So I'll go with Mayer. Some pop and likely to stay at position, though the House reports are tantalizing.
So now someone prove me wrong with data.
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Post by unitspin on Feb 22, 2021 19:39:55 GMT -5
Am I wrong, or is this just a question of who takes Leiter or Rocker before the Sox get to pick? Is there a sense either makes it to #4 (barring, recognizing Chris’s cautionary rankings, a catastrophic fall for one of them). If they both build off of today we deff will not see either at #4.
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Post by tyler3 on Feb 22, 2021 20:09:07 GMT -5
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Post by tyler3 on Feb 22, 2021 20:15:40 GMT -5
I mean I still think Jack or Kumar can get to 4. If a college hitter really shines....hard to pass up the top college bat when your 1-3. Rangers are also picking at 2 I believe, and have the top prep shortstop (Lawlar) in their backyard. And Jack is 6ft (with platforms). I could easily see the first four going something like (Kumar, Lawlar, Adrian Del Castillo, Leiter. If Leiter continues to shine and Kumar racks up 4 walks every 5 to 6 innings, you can reverse the pitchers. In my view.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Feb 22, 2021 20:53:07 GMT -5
I'm Jonesing for Leiter. This is based on the assumption that K-Rock goes before we pick. But I think Leiter will be gone, too. I predict we take Adrian Del Castillo and find a position other than C for him.
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Post by sarasoxer on Feb 22, 2021 21:42:14 GMT -5
Kumar seems today's prototype power pitcher that generates fantasy tingles up the leg. But, he doesn't look like a guy who will ever drink from the golden chalice granting control. Plus the strain of his throwing so many hard pitches seems to almost beg for TJ. On that basis and a greater, more refined pitcher's repertoire, I'd pick Leiter were I compelled to get a starter's arm.
But, like many, I'd rather pick a college bat...greater likelihood of success and less likelihood of debilitating injury. There seem to be a good number of those guys and trust that we will "choose wisely".
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Post by manfred on Feb 22, 2021 21:57:18 GMT -5
Kumar seems today's prototype power pitcher that generates fantasy tingles up the leg. But, he doesn't look like a guy who will ever drink from the golden chalice granting control. Plus the strain of his throwing so many hard pitches seems to almost beg for TJ. On that basis and a greater, more refined pitcher's repertoire, I'd pick Leiter were I compelled to get a starter's arm. But, like many, I'd rather pick a college bat...greater likelihood of success and less likelihood of debilitating injury. There seem to be a good number of those guys and trust that we will "choose wisely". I agree greater likelihood of success... but that also makes them more common. You are far more likely to get a legit bat in a later round than an ace pitcher. Fortune favors the bold. You want Verlander or Strasburg, you pick ‘em early. I hear over and over to n this board about cost. Well, how do you get a number #1 pitcher without paying out the nose for a Fa (who nay have thtown his best innings) or selling the farm? Step up and chance it. Pitcher or bust.
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Post by cdj on Feb 22, 2021 22:14:52 GMT -5
I would be quite happy with Rocker or Leiter at 4, or pretty much anybody that’s been listed here. They’ve got roughly infinite more resources than I do so I’m not gonna complain unless they go way off board. Given the depth it appears the top of this class has we should exit this draft with a premier prospect regardless of position
They did go off board last year though and the early returns seem promising though so who knows with these people. Watch them go way below slot at 4 with Del Castillo and then give a bunch of signability guys big contracts lol
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