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2021 MLB Draft
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 5, 2021 9:37:11 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 5, 2021 9:45:15 GMT -5
For those interested, Jaden Hill is pitching at 2pm on SECN+.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 5, 2021 10:05:48 GMT -5
Downs' future isn't at SS. He's more likely to be converted to OF (or be traded) than wind up a SS. I can see Downs getting a callup later this season toward the end and he's probably the 2b next year. Yorke has looked great but he's still probably a good 3 - 4 years away. He's only 18. I can see Downs as the 2b for a good 3 years or so before Yorke forces their hand. And frankly, the Red Sox will put together a ranked list of the draftees they want and whoever is the highest on that list after the first three picks are gone will be the guy they select, which is also known as drafting the best player available. He could very well be a pitcher, especially if Lawlor and Mayer are gone by then, which there's a reasonable chance they could be. Right now Leiter could be the first pitcher to go, so if it is indeed Lawlor, Mayer, Leiter in whatever order, the Sox do have big decisions to make. If Law is right about Rocker's slider, that could give one pause. Hill looks intriguing, but it wouldn't surprise me to see the Sox grab House, Del Castillo or somebody you wouldn't even anticipate as the #4 pick of the draft. Let's face it, Bloom's selection of Yorke last year wasn't on anyone's radar. There is a very real possibility that this pick will be someone that we are not anticipating. I don't think it's an indication that the Bloom or Toboni led Red Sox are regularly going to surprise people. I think it was a combination of a weird spring season, their having more history with him than a lot of teams, and, perhaps but not necessarily likely, not having a second round pick (in the sense that they knew he wasn't going to be there in the third but may have tried to game it and take him in the second, although I don't think that's how it would have played out). They steadfastly believed that if there was a normal spring that's where he'd have been ranked.
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Post by badfishnbc on Mar 5, 2021 13:05:59 GMT -5
Let's face it, Bloom's selection of Yorke last year wasn't on anyone's radar. There is a very real possibility that this pick will be someone that we are not anticipating. I don't think it's an indication that the Bloom or Toboni led Red Sox are regularly going to surprise people. I think it was a combination of a weird spring season, their having more history with him than a lot of teams, and, perhaps but not necessarily likely, not having a second round pick (in the sense that they knew he wasn't going to be there in the third but may have tried to game it and take him in the second, although I don't think that's how it would have played out). They steadfastly believed that if there was a normal spring that's where he'd have been ranked. Yeah, if Bloom had a Top 5 pick last summer, I don't think Yorke would've been the guy. The approach at the top of the draft (and a reason I'm very optimistic the Sox nail it due to Bloom's experience in TB) is markedly different from 15-45, where rankings are more blurred and there's less obvious consensus. Granted there's more pressure, but there's also more outside information from which to draw, since more people have been paying attention to those players, and for longer.
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Post by dyoungteach on Mar 5, 2021 13:16:23 GMT -5
Let's face it, Bloom's selection of Yorke last year wasn't on anyone's radar. There is a very real possibility that this pick will be someone that we are not anticipating. I don't think it's an indication that the Bloom or Toboni led Red Sox are regularly going to surprise people. I think it was a combination of a weird spring season, their having more history with him than a lot of teams, and, perhaps but not necessarily likely, not having a second round pick (in the sense that they knew he wasn't going to be there in the third but may have tried to game it and take him in the second, although I don't think that's how it would have played out). They steadfastly believed that if there was a normal spring that's where he'd have been ranked. Bloom I fully believe likes to have as many "darts" to throw at the team as possible. For the draft that means $$$. Last year the sox didn't have that and they saw an opportunity to draft a player they liked while also getting another with that "it" tool in Jordan, who was a first round selection this time last year. I believe he will go for the best player they rate, while also playing the sabermetrics odds (which I don't believe will be pitching). Either way, I'm betting we get 2-3 selections that we like out of this draft. Although I'll admit...side note...I would have thought by now the Red Sox would be in the discussion of signing top rated international players and that hasn't materialized yet. I realize they have a dynamite international program that finds several diamonds in rough, just figured we would be in on high end talent by now with Bloom and the old Mets International farm director on our staff. Kinda bummed about that. Point of the digression is that it WILL be interesting to see what he does with this pick...or what THEY do. I have never seen sox have a top 5 pick and Bloom is relatively new. Will be fun to watch and see what he does vs what we all think he should do.
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Post by manfred on Mar 5, 2021 13:18:49 GMT -5
I don't think it's an indication that the Bloom or Toboni led Red Sox are regularly going to surprise people. I think it was a combination of a weird spring season, their having more history with him than a lot of teams, and, perhaps but not necessarily likely, not having a second round pick (in the sense that they knew he wasn't going to be there in the third but may have tried to game it and take him in the second, although I don't think that's how it would have played out). They steadfastly believed that if there was a normal spring that's where he'd have been ranked. Yeah, if Bloom had a Top 5 pick last summer, I don't think Yorke would've been the guy. The approach at the top of the draft (and a reason I'm very optimistic the Sox nail it due to Bloom's experience in TB) is markedly different from 15-45, where rankings are more blurred and there's less obvious consensus. Granted there's more pressure, but there's also more outside information from which to draw, since more people have been paying attention to those players, and for longer. Do the Rays have an unusually strong first round success rate? Between Snell in 2011 and Libertore in 2018 (jury is still out), they came up with basically nothing (Stanek had glimpses; maybe McKay?). That isn’t a slam... they didn’t have especially high picks. But Whitley and Lowe at 13, for example, look like painful misses (Lowe is on the 40, so time will tell). My main point is drafting is hard, and I don’t believe anyone has the Philosopher’s Stone that turns picks to gold.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 5, 2021 14:11:30 GMT -5
I don't think it's an indication that the Bloom or Toboni led Red Sox are regularly going to surprise people. I think it was a combination of a weird spring season, their having more history with him than a lot of teams, and, perhaps but not necessarily likely, not having a second round pick (in the sense that they knew he wasn't going to be there in the third but may have tried to game it and take him in the second, although I don't think that's how it would have played out). They steadfastly believed that if there was a normal spring that's where he'd have been ranked. Bloom I fully believe likes to have as many "darts" to throw at the team as possible. For the draft that means $$$. Last year the sox didn't have that and they saw an opportunity to draft a player they liked while also getting another with that "it" tool in Jordan, who was a first round selection this time last year. I believe he will go for the best player they rate, while also playing the sabermetrics odds (which I don't believe will be pitching). Either way, I'm betting we get 2-3 selections that we like out of this draft. Although I'll admit...side note...I would have thought by now the Red Sox would be in the discussion of signing top rated international players and that hasn't materialized yet. I realize they have a dynamite international program that finds several diamonds in rough, just figured we would be in on high end talent by now with Bloom and the old Mets International farm director on our staff. Kinda bummed about that. Point of the digression is that it WILL be interesting to see what he does with this pick...or what THEY do. I have never seen sox have a top 5 pick and Bloom is relatively new. Will be fun to watch and see what he does vs what we all think he should do. I actually believe they think Yorke was BPA where they picked, or at least close enough to say a Pete Crow-Armstrong that saving a million more than bridged the gap. I don't think they necessarily went into the pick saying let's draft Yorke and save a ton of money. On the international piece, after our interview with Eddie, I more-than-ever couldn't care less about IFA rankings. It's not like guys play for years and are really well known commodities before signing like with the draft. Sometimes it's a matter of finding a guy and agreeing to terms before he's big. Dinging them for not signing guys for large bonuses might just be dinging them for finding guys before other teams do and benefitting because of it. They've shown they're willing to give out big bonuses in the past, so I don't think they're actively avoiding doing so. Remember, these deals are done like a year or two before the kids sign.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 5, 2021 14:21:07 GMT -5
For those interested, Jaden Hill is pitching at 2pm on SECN+. He was pulled after only recording a single out. Didn't seem like he could command anything and velo was down.
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Post by ramireja on Mar 5, 2021 14:30:26 GMT -5
For those interested, Jaden Hill is pitching at 2pm on SECN+. He was pulled after only recording a single out. Didn't seem like he could command anything and velo was down. Ends up being charged for 8ER....the kind of outing that will skew the entire season stat line
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Post by tyler3 on Mar 5, 2021 14:30:33 GMT -5
Jaden Hill sheesh, that’s about as bad as it gets.
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Post by tyler3 on Mar 5, 2021 14:31:07 GMT -5
Well next up Ty Madden
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Post by ramireja on Mar 5, 2021 14:32:05 GMT -5
Boston College vs. Auburn today is a matchup with multiple Day 1 prospects
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Post by jdb on Mar 5, 2021 14:56:49 GMT -5
And Gunner Hoglund. I am anxious to see how the catcher from Louisville plays this year as well. With last years draft only going five rounds I could see a lot of depth in that 5-10 range it’s a good year to have a higher bonus pool.
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Post by tyler3 on Mar 5, 2021 15:20:12 GMT -5
And Gunner Hoglund. I am anxious to see how the catcher from Louisville plays this year as well. With last years draft only going five rounds I could see a lot of depth in that 5-10 range it’s a good year to have a higher bonus pool. Good point which brings up the possible under slot deal. Say for example at the end the year you really like Jack, Jordan, and Marcelo, but they go 1, 2, 3 and Rocker and Hill haven’t really turned the ship around... in this hypothetical I think Bloom would be tempted to go to House, Khalil, Madden, Fabian, Bachman, or Henry Davis and say who wants to make a deal. Long wayyy to go I get it but while not every draft has that 1:1 guy, most have a top tier echelon and then a drop off. We might be right at that perceived drop off.
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Post by ramireja on Mar 5, 2021 19:12:41 GMT -5
I'm sensing myself turning into a Henry Davis cheerleader and I apologize for the amount of Davis content I'll be posting until July. The guy hits the ball very hard, doesn't strike out, and seemingly has the tools to profile at C for the long haul (maybe even be a good one defensively). If the draft were tomorrow, I'd probably feel more comfortable with him over most pitching options but still would probably prefer Leiter, Lawlor, and Mayer. If he'd sign for say $6M, sign me up over the alternatives. There's a long way to July though.
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Post by soxfan06 on Mar 5, 2021 19:12:43 GMT -5
Boston College vs. Auburn today is a matchup with multiple Day 1 prospects Sal Frelick (Lexington, MA kid) has 2 HRs today off Preseasron All-American Richard Fitts. He's hitting .472 on the year with 3 HRs and apparently he has a 70 run tool. He's more of a mid-1st guy but man is he fun to keep track of, especially considering he's a local guy. He reminds me a lot of Benintendi from the Arkansas days. Here's a good look at the swing from the 2nd HR today:
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Post by tyler3 on Mar 5, 2021 20:48:01 GMT -5
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Post by tyler3 on Mar 5, 2021 21:41:41 GMT -5
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Post by tyler3 on Mar 5, 2021 22:23:50 GMT -5
Guess who my new fav is:)
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Post by RedSoxStats on Mar 5, 2021 22:45:24 GMT -5
Wouldn't hate him as an underslot option
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Post by wOBA Fett on Mar 5, 2021 23:09:00 GMT -5
Jaden Hill got shelled today
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Post by tyler3 on Mar 5, 2021 23:19:48 GMT -5
All right sorry last one to hammer the point home, kept expecting each late inning to be his last but, you know...also love that this was a close game till his last strike out.
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Post by unitspin on Mar 5, 2021 23:48:16 GMT -5
Alot of talented college pitchers in this draft. It gets me excited to see where the shuffle leads us.
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Post by tyler3 on Mar 6, 2021 4:07:25 GMT -5
Ok complete short sided reactionary things a like about Ty Madden
1: elite velocity and command lasts 100 plus pitches 2: uses and commands two excellent secondaries right now (slider, change) 3: big body for durability (old school) 4: I actually don’t mind the steep elevation/sinker because it not only generates whiffs at his present velocity and command but also generated a lot of quick ground ball outs. 5: of the big 4 (Jack, kumar, jaden Ty) Ty is the only one currently comfortable using his change in game. He’s the only one to pitch deep in games, he’s the only one whose velocity doesn’t seriously dip after 4 innings and doesn’t vary from outing to outing.
Jaden had a tough one today, kumar and Jack coming up this weekend. Will be fun to watch.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 6, 2021 14:17:19 GMT -5
Gunnar Hoglund is pitching at 2:30pm and Kumar Rocker at 3pm. Both on ESPN+.
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