radiohix
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Post by radiohix on May 7, 2021 17:45:28 GMT -5
Perfect Game released their first mock: 1. Pirates: Jack Leiter RHP Vanderbilt 2. Rangers: Jordan Lawlar SS Dalls Jesuit 3. Tigers: Marcelo Mayer SS Eastlake (they believe the Tigers like Mayer more than Lawlar) 4. Red Sox: Kumar Rocker RHP Vanderbilt 5. Orioles: Brady House SS Winder-Barrow 6. D'Backs: Henry Davis C Louisville 7. Royals: Gunnar Hoglund RHP Ole Miss 8. Rockies: Sam Bachman RHP Miami (OH) 9. Angels: Jackson Jobe RHP Heritage Hall 10. Mets: Sal Frelick OF Boston College www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=19372The video edition: Man these late mock drafts are making me nervous!
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Post by wOBA Fett on May 7, 2021 19:37:35 GMT -5
Look if two young HS shortstops shoot up draft boards and leave us with one of Rocker or Lieter, that's the best scenario as both those guys are MLB ready in 2 years and the Red Sox are MLB ready.
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Post by dyoungteach on May 7, 2021 20:26:47 GMT -5
Look if two young HS shortstops shoot up draft boards and leave us with one of Rocker or Lieter, that's the best scenario as both those guys are MLB ready in 2 years and the Red Sox are MLB ready. Only best if whomever pitches as the ace of rotation. Taken that high it’s exactly what your expecting. If 2 you g shortstops shoot up. Take the third or 4th that crawls up with them. ( house or Watson)
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Post by tyler3 on May 7, 2021 20:31:15 GMT -5
Kumar is just a no for me.
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Post by manfred on May 7, 2021 20:38:39 GMT -5
I ain’t got a dog in this... I buy what everyone is selling. But a larger question: what is *good* for a four pick?
I ask cause I’m watching the Orioles coverage of the game tonight (don’t ask) and Ben McDonald is announcing. It made me think “oh, he was such a disappointment!” But he did end his career with almost 21 bWAR. If you get a 9 year, 21 bWAR pitcher in the first round, 1-1 or, say, 1-4, are you bummed? Happy? Mildly disappointed? I actually don’t really know what appropriate expectations are.
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Post by wOBA Fett on May 7, 2021 20:41:25 GMT -5
Look if two young HS shortstops shoot up draft boards and leave us with one of Rocker or Lieter, that's the best scenario as both those guys are MLB ready in 2 years and the Red Sox are MLB ready. Only best if whomever pitches as the ace of rotation. Taken that high it’s exactly what your expecting. If 2 you g shortstops shoot up. Take the third or 4th that crawls up with them. ( house or Watson) Sure the 18 year old SS will probably have a higher career WAR, but give me a #3 to slot in behind Sale and E-Rod in 2 years and I'll be happy. Someone needs to do a PV equation for WAR. 10 WAR in 2027 is not the same as 7 WAR in 2024.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on May 7, 2021 20:47:01 GMT -5
You’re not winning crap without a dominant starter or two.You can project WAR all you want. If medical check out. Give me Kumar and that big body. Good mechanics and he will last. You pay 30m per year for an ace. Or, give up a package like we did for Beckett/Sale. We don’t have a Hanley or Moncada to pique another team’s interest
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Post by pedroelgrande on May 7, 2021 20:58:03 GMT -5
Or in two years he could be still in AAA because his over reliance on the slider was exposed in pro ball and now he might be a reliever while you passed on Davis who is the fav to win the rookie of the year. Everything can happen you know not everything will go according to plans.
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Post by wOBA Fett on May 7, 2021 21:02:19 GMT -5
Or in two years he could be still in AAA because his over reliance on the slider was exposed in pro ball and now he might be a reliever while you passed on Davis who is the fav to win the rookie of the year. Everything can happen you know not everything will go according to plans. Kumar Rocker has the floor of a #3 (or closer) and the ceiling of a #1. SEC pitchers are a different breed.
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Post by tyler3 on May 7, 2021 21:36:52 GMT -5
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Post by dyoungteach on May 7, 2021 21:45:49 GMT -5
Or in two years he could be still in AAA because his over reliance on the slider was exposed in pro ball and now he might be a reliever while you passed on Davis who is the fav to win the rookie of the year. Everything can happen you know not everything will go according to plans. Kumar Rocker has the floor of a #3 (or closer) and the ceiling of a #1. SEC pitchers are a different breed. He has floor of a reliever! Tell me last #1-3 pitcher with only 2 pitches and fastball that averages less than 94?
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Post by wOBA Fett on May 7, 2021 22:03:48 GMT -5
Kumar Rocker has the floor of a #3 (or closer) and the ceiling of a #1. SEC pitchers are a different breed. He has floor of a reliever! Tell me last #1-3 pitcher with only 2 pitches and fastball that averages less than 94? Jack Flaherty, Chris Archer, Patrick Corbin
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Post by dyoungteach on May 7, 2021 23:03:11 GMT -5
He has floor of a reliever! Tell me last #1-3 pitcher with only 2 pitches and fastball that averages less than 94? Jack Flaherty, Chris Archer, Patrick Corbin Only 1 of these would I take. The other 2.... I’ll grab in free agency or wait till next one comes along or piece together something for a bit.
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Post by dyoungteach on May 7, 2021 23:05:48 GMT -5
Jack Flaherty, Chris Archer, Patrick Corbin Only 1 of these would I take. The other 2.... I’ll grab in free agency or wait till next one comes along or piece together something for a bit. Jack flaherty...... the what he throws as quoted by mlb: “ In 2020, he relied primarily on his Fourseam Fastball (94mph) and Slider (85mph), also mixing in a Curve (77mph) and Sinker (92mph). He also rarely threw a Change (86mph).”. Whoops that’s 5 pitches not 2.
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Post by tyler3 on May 7, 2021 23:11:24 GMT -5
There is one other underslot option here for the Sox and it’a kahlil Watson. There are some that say his athleticism and swing give him one of the higher ceilings of the draft. He produced all last summer everywhere. Below are his swing for the day and everyone is just gushing over it. Pay attention to how they slow down one of them in the end which is good because his bat is just a blur real time.
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Post by cdj on May 8, 2021 0:19:32 GMT -5
I’m not gonna complain about anybody unless they go way way off board
Still fine with Rocker, Leiter, Davis, HS SS, etc etc
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Post by unitspin on May 8, 2021 6:07:43 GMT -5
Or in two years he could be still in AAA because his over reliance on the slider was exposed in pro ball and now he might be a reliever while you passed on Davis who is the fav to win the rookie of the year. Everything can happen you know not everything will go according to plans. Or davis isnt capable of being a mlb backstop so he ends up at 1b. Problem is his power as we have seen this year is average so now you have a 1b that hits .280 with 15hrs and wasted a #4 pick on it and rocker is an ace. Realistically, Davis being a bust or moving off catcher is of a higher probability.
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Post by unitspin on May 8, 2021 6:08:45 GMT -5
Fabian with another 2hrs and his average is up. He might be working his way back into the top 15.
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Post by jimoh on May 8, 2021 6:46:17 GMT -5
Only 1 of these would I take. The other 2.... I’ll grab in free agency or wait till next one comes along or piece together something for a bit. Jack flaherty...... the what he throws as quoted by mlb: “ In 2020, he relied primarily on his Fourseam Fastball (94mph) and Slider (85mph), also mixing in a Curve (77mph) and Sinker (92mph). He also rarely threw a Change (86mph).”. Whoops that’s 5 pitches not 2. So, Flaherty throws mainly two pitches and has 2-3 others. That's Rocker, no?
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Post by ematz1423 on May 8, 2021 7:15:44 GMT -5
Jack flaherty...... the what he throws as quoted by mlb: “ In 2020, he relied primarily on his Fourseam Fastball (94mph) and Slider (85mph), also mixing in a Curve (77mph) and Sinker (92mph). He also rarely threw a Change (86mph).”. Whoops that’s 5 pitches not 2. So, Flaherty throws mainly two pitches and has 2-3 others. That's Rocker, no? I'll second what jimoh says here. Sounds like mainly a 2 pitch guy. Also that's from 2020 after Flaherty developed. Rocker could easily learn an extra pitch or two on his development track. I'm not saying I want Rocker but he's got good raw stuff, looks like the body type to handle a full workload and still has room to grow. Let's not act like Rocker or anyone they take qt 4 is a finished product because they're not.
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Post by iakovos11 on May 8, 2021 8:13:19 GMT -5
Or in two years he could be still in AAA because his over reliance on the slider was exposed in pro ball and now he might be a reliever while you passed on Davis who is the fav to win the rookie of the year. Everything can happen you know not everything will go according to plans. Or davis isnt capable of being a mlb backstop so he ends up at 1b. Problem is his power as we have seen this year is average so now you have a 1b that hits .280 with 15hrs and wasted a #4 pick on it and rocker is an ace. Realistically, Davis being a bust or moving off catcher is of a higher probability. This is not accurate. He could some work on his blocking, but he's athletic and has an 80 arm and controls the run game. He's catcher.
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Post by dcb26 on May 8, 2021 8:28:36 GMT -5
Only best if whomever pitches as the ace of rotation. Taken that high it’s exactly what your expecting. If 2 you g shortstops shoot up. Take the third or 4th that crawls up with them. ( house or Watson) This idea that a pitcher isn't worth drafting at 4 if their likely ceiling isn't "ace" is crazy, getting (for example) a solid #3 from this pick would be just fine. And why does this only seem to apply to pitchers? I don't see too many people putting a HoF ceiling on the position players available either
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Post by hairps on May 8, 2021 10:04:56 GMT -5
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Post by unitspin on May 8, 2021 10:42:36 GMT -5
Or davis isnt capable of being a mlb backstop so he ends up at 1b. Problem is his power as we have seen this year is average so now you have a 1b that hits .280 with 15hrs and wasted a #4 pick on it and rocker is an ace. Realistically, Davis being a bust or moving off catcher is of a higher probability. This is not accurate. He could some work on his blocking, but he's athletic and has an 80 arm and controls the run game. He's catcher. It was a hypothetical as the previous posters comment was. But if we want to nitpick id say catchers in the first round have the biggest bust rate of all players taken.
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Post by cdj on May 8, 2021 10:48:33 GMT -5
Maybe it’s just me but I don’t look at Davis and think “average power”. I think it plays above that
With the 40th pick in the draft the Boston Red Sox select
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