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2021 MLB Draft
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Post by dyoungteach on May 5, 2021 22:39:44 GMT -5
Well Hairps, some more reviews like that and we don't have to argue about selecting or not selecting Davis - because he won't be around at pick 4. That would be a good thing
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Post by dyoungteach on May 5, 2021 22:47:19 GMT -5
MLB.com has 7 of Tigers top 10 as position players. Yeah that reasoning is bananas. Great, you have Skubal, Mize, and Manning. Some other guys like Burrows and Faedo lower in the rankings. They're not all going to make it. All I can think of is when the Braves had Allard, Soroka, Anderson, Newcomb, Fried, Toussaint, Wright, Gohara, Wilson, Davidson and (coincidentally) Wentz. Some made it, some didn't. Here we are 3 years later and two of those guys are in the rotation, with a third who would be but injured. I love talking to scouts, but they say things sometimes that don't make sense. Maybe he's passing along what they're actually thinking, but if he is, that's legitimately stupid. If you wind up with too many pitchers then trade one. It’s not bananas when you start looking at how young their pitchers are. How many starters they need to develop. And the gaps they have as position players with impact talent. So no it’s not crazy when you look at it that way. The races are perfect example of why you are careful. They are still developing those players. Mize, manning, skubal, wentz, faedo, and then you will see a “ major league arm or two” thrown in also. They lack impact bats beyond greene and Tork although parades and candelario could be two major league hitters! I also tend to trust this scout. But let’s see. Gotta admit. Love the site but get a kick out of some comments where people think they know everything. Which ya know is why they are gms of existing teams or scouts .... I mean ya post a thought and info you get from talking to an actual scout ( ya know the guy paid to help make these decisions) and ya get “ that reasoning is bananas”.
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Post by tyler3 on May 5, 2021 23:20:20 GMT -5
I should have saved my Mize slander till after the game, sheesh. Dyoungteach, don’t worry buddy we’ll get Mayer or House. Chris....you da man but your getting sassy in your old age. You need to drive down 29 and get some Bodos and South Street inside you. Relieve the stress.
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Post by dyoungteach on May 6, 2021 1:36:28 GMT -5
I should have saved my Mize slander till after the game, sheesh. Dyoungteach, don’t worry buddy we’ll get Mayer or House. Chris....you da man but your getting sassy in your old age. You need to drive down 29 and get some Bodos and South Street inside you. Relieve the stress. Who knows if we will. I hope so. But gosh Red Sox have picked more frustrating picks. And I’ll admit I do tend to trust bloom so we shall see. Last years was a head scratcher. A huh who moment. Although I doubt this years will be I’m not so sure I won’t be saying grrr damnit. ( and grabbing a cold micro from founders). I’ll be interested to see where we go and I enjoy reading posts. Thoughts. Ideas. Possibilities. And let’s face facts. As this gets closer those facts will become closer to what will really happen. Till then. Go Sox. And my gosh let’s find some more relievers and hitters at bottom of roster.... please. ( start with Duran in next month or so). And who knows. Casas is in AA. I’ve always read. AA is just one injury or hot start away from being in majors. Never know
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Post by hairps on May 6, 2021 6:23:00 GMT -5
Public Service Announcement: You can find the previous night's stats for the top D1 MLB Draft prospects (and other top performers) first thing every morning at the bottom of the MLS homepage.
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Post by jimoh on May 6, 2021 9:09:14 GMT -5
Yeah that reasoning is bananas. Great, you have Skubal, Mize, and Manning. Some other guys like Burrows and Faedo lower in the rankings. They're not all going to make it. All I can think of is when the Braves had Allard, Soroka, Anderson, Newcomb, Fried, Toussaint, Wright, Gohara, Wilson, Davidson and (coincidentally) Wentz. Some made it, some didn't. Here we are 3 years later and two of those guys are in the rotation, with a third who would be but injured. I love talking to scouts, but they say things sometimes that don't make sense. Maybe he's passing along what they're actually thinking, but if he is, that's legitimately stupid. If you wind up with too many pitchers then trade one. It’s not bananas when you start looking at how young their pitchers are. How many starters they need to develop. And the gaps they have as position players with impact talent. So no it’s not crazy when you look at it that way. The races are perfect example of why you are careful. They are still developing those players. Mize, manning, skubal, wentz, faedo, and then you will see a “ major league arm or two” thrown in also. They lack impact bats beyond greene and Tork although parades and candelario could be two major league hitters! I also tend to trust this scout. But let’s see. Gotta admit. Love the site but get a kick out of some comments where people think they know everything. Which ya know is why they are gms of existing teams or scouts .... I mean ya post a thought and info you get from talking to an actual scout ( ya know the guy paid to help make these decisions) and ya get “ that reasoning is bananas”. Though I bow down low before the awesomeness of your having once talked talked to an actual scout, nothing you have said supports a claim that the Tigers will draft by positional need with their first pick, or that if they did do that very very weird thing, their positional need would be for hitters.
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Post by TearsIn04 on May 6, 2021 11:00:48 GMT -5
Yeah that reasoning is bananas. Great, you have Skubal, Mize, and Manning. Some other guys like Burrows and Faedo lower in the rankings. They're not all going to make it. All I can think of is when the Braves had Allard, Soroka, Anderson, Newcomb, Fried, Toussaint, Wright, Gohara, Wilson, Davidson and (coincidentally) Wentz. Some made it, some didn't. Here we are 3 years later and two of those guys are in the rotation, with a third who would be but injured. I love talking to scouts, but they say things sometimes that don't make sense. Maybe he's passing along what they're actually thinking, but if he is, that's legitimately stupid. If you wind up with too many pitchers then trade one. It’s not bananas when you start looking at how young their pitchers are. How many starters they need to develop. And the gaps they have as position players with impact talent. So no it’s not crazy when you look at it that way. The races are perfect example of why you are careful. They are still developing those players. Mize, manning, skubal, wentz, faedo, and then you will see a “ major league arm or two” thrown in also. They lack impact bats beyond greene and Tork although parades and candelario could be two major league hitters! I also tend to trust this scout. But let’s see. Gotta admit. Love the site but get a kick out of some comments where people think they know everything. Which ya know is why they are gms of existing teams or scouts .... I mean ya post a thought and info you get from talking to an actual scout ( ya know the guy paid to help make these decisions) and ya get “ that reasoning is bananas”. It's bananas, maybe even with a few plantains mixed in. Smart teams don't draft based on what they have a surplus or shortage of at the moment. Let's say it all at once: BPA, BPA, BPA! You simply have no idea how many of those Tigers P's will amount to anything. A few years ago, the RS appeared to be loaded with young P. We had Rubby de la Rosa, who threw high 90s, and Alan Webster, whose stuff was filthy - filthy, I tell you - from the Dodgers trade. We paid a big bonus to 1S pick Anthony Renaudo. We had first-round pick Matt Barnes, 1S pick Henry Owens, and Can't Miss No. 7 Overall Pick Trey Ball. Only one of those guys, Barnes, has had a significant career and he became a reliever. Look up the Mets P prospects of the early to mid-90s and dream on about the dynasty that didn't happen with SPs Paul Wilson, Jason Isringhausen and Bill Pulsipher.
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Post by jimoh on May 6, 2021 11:16:08 GMT -5
It’s not bananas when you start looking at how young their pitchers are. How many starters they need to develop. And the gaps they have as position players with impact talent. So no it’s not crazy when you look at it that way. The races are perfect example of why you are careful. They are still developing those players. Mize, manning, skubal, wentz, faedo, and then you will see a “ major league arm or two” thrown in also. They lack impact bats beyond greene and Tork although parades and candelario could be two major league hitters! I also tend to trust this scout. But let’s see. Gotta admit. Love the site but get a kick out of some comments where people think they know everything. Which ya know is why they are gms of existing teams or scouts .... I mean ya post a thought and info you get from talking to an actual scout ( ya know the guy paid to help make these decisions) and ya get “ that reasoning is bananas”. It's bananas, maybe even with a few plantains mixed in. Smart teams don't draft based on what they have a surplus or shortage of at the moment. Let's say it all at once: BPA, BPA, BPA! You simply have no idea how many of those Tigers P's will amount to anything. A few years ago, the RS appeared to be loaded with young P. We had Rubby de la Rosa, who threw high 90s, and Alan Webster, whose stuff was filthy - filthy, I tell you - from the Dodgers trade. We paid a big bonus to 1S pick Anthony Renaudo. We had first-round pick Matt Barnes, 1S pick Henry Owens, and Can't Miss No. 7 Overall Pick Trey Ball. Only one of those guys, Barnes, has had a significant career and he became a reliever. Look up the Mets P prospects of the early to mid-90s and dream on about the dynasty that didn't happen with SPs Paul Wilson, Jason Isringhausen and Bill Pulsipher. is dyoungteach the only guy having a worse year than Franchy Cordero? His strikeout rate is amazing.
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Post by dyoungteach on May 6, 2021 15:10:15 GMT -5
It’s not bananas when you start looking at how young their pitchers are. How many starters they need to develop. And the gaps they have as position players with impact talent. So no it’s not crazy when you look at it that way. The races are perfect example of why you are careful. They are still developing those players. Mize, manning, skubal, wentz, faedo, and then you will see a “ major league arm or two” thrown in also. They lack impact bats beyond greene and Tork although parades and candelario could be two major league hitters! I also tend to trust this scout. But let’s see. Gotta admit. Love the site but get a kick out of some comments where people think they know everything. Which ya know is why they are gms of existing teams or scouts .... I mean ya post a thought and info you get from talking to an actual scout ( ya know the guy paid to help make these decisions) and ya get “ that reasoning is bananas”. It's bananas, maybe even with a few plantains mixed in. Smart teams don't draft based on what they have a surplus or shortage of at the moment. Let's say it all at once: BPA, BPA, BPA! You simply have no idea how many of those Tigers P's will amount to anything. A few years ago, the RS appeared to be loaded with young P. We had Rubby de la Rosa, who threw high 90s, and Alan Webster, whose stuff was filthy - filthy, I tell you - from the Dodgers trade. We paid a big bonus to 1S pick Anthony Renaudo. We had first-round pick Matt Barnes, 1S pick Henry Owens, and Can't Miss No. 7 Overall Pick Trey Ball. Only one of those guys, Barnes, has had a significant career and he became a reliever. Look up the Mets P prospects of the early to mid-90s and dream on about the dynasty that didn't happen with SPs Paul Wilson, Jason Isringhausen and Bill Pulsipher. I guess we see what they do...
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Post by dyoungteach on May 6, 2021 15:18:46 GMT -5
It's bananas, maybe even with a few plantains mixed in. Smart teams don't draft based on what they have a surplus or shortage of at the moment. Let's say it all at once: BPA, BPA, BPA! You simply have no idea how many of those Tigers P's will amount to anything. A few years ago, the RS appeared to be loaded with young P. We had Rubby de la Rosa, who threw high 90s, and Alan Webster, whose stuff was filthy - filthy, I tell you - from the Dodgers trade. We paid a big bonus to 1S pick Anthony Renaudo. We had first-round pick Matt Barnes, 1S pick Henry Owens, and Can't Miss No. 7 Overall Pick Trey Ball. Only one of those guys, Barnes, has had a significant career and he became a reliever. Look up the Mets P prospects of the early to mid-90s and dream on about the dynasty that didn't happen with SPs Paul Wilson, Jason Isringhausen and Bill Pulsipher. is dyoungteach the only guy having a worse year than Franchy Cordero? His strikeout rate is amazing. Accept I’m not striking out. Your like a certain Ex leader claiming the election was stolen. The facts are right there and yet you want to spin things your way. I’m not saying they won’t draft a pitcher. I’m saying given the fact they have a lot of young pitchers and a need for hitters and given what scout said I would bet they won’t draft a pitcher. But time will tell I guess. I have been around long enough to know bpa, but if two players are pretty much even and your system lacks one type of player, and signing bonuses come into play .... then they probably go hitter. But hey keep that learned “ my way or highway” mentality! Doesn’t change the facts. They have a lot of young pitchers. From what this scout said they are favoring hitters. And for some reason some of the “educated scouts and general managers” on this site know exactly what they will do! Gosh your team must be loaded with players and talent.
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Post by jl1947 on May 6, 2021 15:43:51 GMT -5
At some point reading the same strong opinions containing a lot of unearned hubris, not that there is ever really such a thing as earned hubris, becomes tiresome to read and makes the thread a little too tart for the taste. Let's get some levity in here and not always presume ours is the only point of view that matters. Let's all listen more and talk less convinced of our own perceived genius.
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Post by ematz1423 on May 6, 2021 15:45:58 GMT -5
is dyoungteach the only guy having a worse year than Franchy Cordero? His strikeout rate is amazing. Accept I’m not striking out. Your like a certain Ex leader claiming the election was stolen. The facts are right there and yet you want to spin things your way. I’m not saying they won’t draft a pitcher. I’m saying given the fact they have a lot of young pitchers and a need for hitters and given what scout said I would bet they won’t draft a pitcher. But time will tell I guess. I have been around long enough to know bpa, but if two players are pretty much even and your system lacks one type of player, and signing bonuses come into play .... then they probably go hitter. But hey keep that learned “ my way or highway” mentality! Doesn’t change the facts. They have a lot of young pitchers. From what this scout said they are favoring hitters. And for some reason some of the “educated scouts and general managers” on this site know exactly what they will do! Gosh your team must be loaded with players and talent. You're about the only one here with a my way or the highway mentality about what the tigers are going to do. Obviously none of us know, hell they don't even know yet there's 2 months until the draft. You talked to one scout and think you're in their draft room the way you're talking.
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 6, 2021 15:58:24 GMT -5
I would ask that posters refrain from (1) personal attacks, (2) speaking (posting) in absolutes (i.e. saying something will be a certainty), and (3) repetitive posting (it's unnecessary to post the same things over and over again).
Thanks!
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Post by dyoungteach on May 6, 2021 19:29:26 GMT -5
Accept I’m not striking out. Your like a certain Ex leader claiming the election was stolen. The facts are right there and yet you want to spin things your way. I’m not saying they won’t draft a pitcher. I’m saying given the fact they have a lot of young pitchers and a need for hitters and given what scout said I would bet they won’t draft a pitcher. But time will tell I guess. I have been around long enough to know bpa, but if two players are pretty much even and your system lacks one type of player, and signing bonuses come into play .... then they probably go hitter. But hey keep that learned “ my way or highway” mentality! Doesn’t change the facts. They have a lot of young pitchers. From what this scout said they are favoring hitters. And for some reason some of the “educated scouts and general managers” on this site know exactly what they will do! Gosh your team must be loaded with players and talent. You're about the only one here with a my way or the highway mentality about what the tigers are going to do. Obviously none of us know, hell they don't even know yet there's 2 months until the draft. You talked to one scout and think you're in their draft room the way you're talking. Then you misread. I didn’t say I knew. I said given that they have an abundance of pitchers and what I heard I wouldn’t be surprised. There is a big difference. I even acknowledged it is a low level scout. So exactly how is that saying I know what they will do?? But I am pushing back at being ridiculed for having a comment or thought that differs from those in the clique That I will absolutely do.
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Post by ematz1423 on May 6, 2021 20:17:37 GMT -5
You're about the only one here with a my way or the highway mentality about what the tigers are going to do. Obviously none of us know, hell they don't even know yet there's 2 months until the draft. You talked to one scout and think you're in their draft room the way you're talking. Then you misread. I didn’t say I knew. I said given that they have an abundance of pitchers and what I heard I wouldn’t be surprised. There is a big difference. I even acknowledged it is a low level scout. So exactly how is that saying I know what they will do?? But I am pushing back at being ridiculed for having a comment or thought that differs from those in the clique That I will absolutely do. I didn't misread anything you've said. You said you'd be shocked if tigers went pitcher, okay fair enough whatever. Someone pointed out that the tigers have 7 position players in their top 10 on mlb.com. You still disagreed. Basically saying they won't go pitcher based off one conversation you had with a tigers scout. again fair enough that's your opinion. Then out of nowhere you bring up politics for no apparent reason and compare a posters comment to a very divisive person. I come to this site to see what people think, maybe learn some things and enjoy the talk about baseball.
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Post by tyler3 on May 6, 2021 20:31:30 GMT -5
Guys I get it, this was all kinda my fault, let’s just let it go. This can be a fun thread but this stuff is getting a bit tired. No one is gonna give in here. There’s different levels of knowledge here (I’m on the lower end) and different opinions, but we’re all adults who love the Soxs so let’s not get weird over what will hopefully be the highest Red Sox draft pick in some of our lifetimes.
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Post by tyler3 on May 6, 2021 20:44:46 GMT -5
And on that note:
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Post by tyler3 on May 6, 2021 21:12:39 GMT -5
And just to drive the point home:)
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Post by pedroelgrande on May 6, 2021 21:40:59 GMT -5
I really wanted Marcelo Mayer. That ship is sailing.
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Post by dyoungteach on May 6, 2021 22:24:17 GMT -5
I really wanted Marcelo Mayer. That ship is sailing. I wonder who will “push” down to us. And I wonder where economics will come into play. I do believe there is still a possibility Mayer gets to us. But quite frankly. I have no idea what this management group prefers to draft. In the past I’ve seen some teams favor college ( we did even for a bit I felt) and others favor hitters almost exclusively early. ( I’m thinking of Cubs). Last year we favored flexibility I felt so it will be exciting and interesting to see if a pattern develops. ( I hope not).
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Post by tyler3 on May 7, 2021 2:11:22 GMT -5
I think really the key to all this is Leiter. He’s having kind the same 3 week struggle that Kumar had...but he’s not quite dropping down boards like Kumar did..not yet. If Leiter recovers something similar to his previous form..that’s seems to me at least the game changer for us. Leiter when he’s on has flashed 3 above average pitches. Elite fastball, good slider, and above average curve. This is really is his first time through the SEC. My personal belief is come draft day, as it stands, Lawlar goes 1 or 2, Davis goes in the top 3, and if Leiter is on then him as well. I guess the weak point there in the theory is that Davis would go in the top 3. I personally have a hard time believing the best college hit tool, with the best eye, and the best arm wouldn’t but..obviously could be wrong. But Leiter so far has produced results and potential projection. And I think that’s the difference between him and Kumar right now. Nobody doubts Kumar’s slider at this point, but his fastball has been suspect pertaining swing and miss/velocity and his third pitch has been...sometimes the cutter? All this to say, Leiter, Mayer, Davis, all seem to me great options at 4. With potentially House, Jobe, Watson under slot..I think we’ll all be pleased at the results for sucking for 60 days.
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 7, 2021 9:16:56 GMT -5
Perfect Game released their first mock: 1. Pirates: Jack Leiter RHP Vanderbilt 2. Rangers: Jordan Lawlar SS Dalls Jesuit 3. Tigers: Marcelo Mayer SS Eastlake (they believe the Tigers like Mayer more than Lawlar) 4. Red Sox: Kumar Rocker RHP Vanderbilt 5. Orioles: Brady House SS Winder-Barrow 6. D'Backs: Henry Davis C Louisville 7. Royals: Gunnar Hoglund RHP Ole Miss 8. Rockies: Sam Bachman RHP Miami (OH) 9. Angels: Jackson Jobe RHP Heritage Hall 10. Mets: Sal Frelick OF Boston College www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=19372
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Post by ericmvan on May 7, 2021 15:34:55 GMT -5
I'm with those who see us taking Davis over Rocker if these recent mocks are correct. Part of that is the unique value of a franchise player who's a catcher. They're a hell of a lot less common than aces.
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Post by unitspin on May 7, 2021 17:10:18 GMT -5
Rocker at #4, dreams do come true.
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Post by dyoungteach on May 7, 2021 17:42:59 GMT -5
Rocker at #4, dreams do come true. Barf! What im interested to see is if house keeps rising. I was reminded again in watching blue jays top starting pitchers in minors. Nate Pearson ( top prospect and picked #28). Alek manoah ( top prospect and picked #11). Sean woods Richardson. ( top prospect and picked #48). All are seen as rotation pieces and all could be #1-#3 pitchers in rotation. Although taking pitching needs to be a priorit; the need to take a starter doesn’t exist. But if we do gosh I hope we take the right one.
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