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Post by Addam603 on May 14, 2021 21:24:01 GMT -5
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Post by James Dunne on May 14, 2021 22:23:43 GMT -5
Still do not understand the nitpicking of rocker. He just went 7in 3er 8k 1bb his era is under 2.5 in prob the best conference in NCAA. Where is he falling in the draft? You think a team like bal or under them would let him slip bye. That's some serious crazy talk there. This is so similar to Rodon in '14. He was the consensus #1 for so long that every time he's not near-perfect is a reason to doubt him. You'd never guess reading this thread that his ERA is 2.44 of that he's got a 118 to 25 K/BB in 81 innings. Every time he's given up a homer--he's given up six (6)--is used as a reason he'll fall in the draft. He sits 93 and his slider is the best secondary in the class. I can understand the doubts about his third pitch, and the natural worry of any pitcher. But people seem to have developed these outrageous expectations for him after he established himself as the early frontrunner as top pick. He'd be an awesome get at #4. EDIT: It is also funny to see people bemoaning the fact that Henry Davis, a player that was on nobody's radar two months ago, possibly being unavailable. If he plays himself ahead of these other guys, that's great! If Rocker or Leiter or Lawlar is available because Davis skyrocketed then the Red Sox are better off.
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Post by dyoungteach on May 14, 2021 23:06:20 GMT -5
However you slice it, we're guaranteed to have our pick of at least *3* of Mayer, House, Davis, Leiter, Rocker, and Lawler. Those odds look pretty good to me. Yeah as long as we don’t take the one pitch pitcher or the pitcher who becomes a reliever. Whomever that is! Personally rocker scares the crap out of me as a fan looking at a once in lifetime draft opportunity that loves prospecting
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Post by dyoungteach on May 14, 2021 23:09:14 GMT -5
Don’t the Tigers really like Mayer too? He is probably off the table as well, particularly with his play as of late. So maybe as of right now it’ll either be Lawlar or one of the Vandy guys. I was told Mayer, house, lawlar. One of those 3 is who they have eyes zeroed in on. Now can people lie or not have full knowledge. Absolutely! Before anyone jumps my crap, I’m as anxious as anyone to see if that person really knows what they are talking about. It’s simply shared here for informational purposes. Take it or leave it. 2 months we will know what’s true or not
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Post by tyler on May 14, 2021 23:12:13 GMT -5
Listen if you like Rocker then by all means like the guy. There is a lot to like:) But he was the presumptive number 1 because he threw a no hitter 2 years ago and then last year got canceled. He had a good/not dominant freshman season that ended on an awesome note and then college baseball just pretty much ended. He does put up a good stat line in the SEC, but even college players are still about projection and how their stuff will project to the majors. If it was just based on stats then Brent Rooker with his 23 dingers and .387 average would have been the number 1 pick but he went 35th right. Rocker is talented but the 3 things scouts wanted to see this year was 1) could he improve and hold his velocity, 2). Could he improve his command and control, and 3) can he show a third pitch.
He started 95 to 98 than seriously dipped for 3 games to 89 to 91, and has now settled in the 91 to 94 range. He will lose command of his fastball almost every game for a bit. His cutter as a third pitch I’ve heard has been good on certain nights. With that fastball he is not a power pitcher right now. He is not a command and control specialist….to me. But if the Red Sox think the can improve his fast command and velocity they know more than I:).
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Post by dyoungteach on May 14, 2021 23:14:45 GMT -5
Still do not understand the nitpicking of rocker. He just went 7in 3er 8k 1bb his era is under 2.5 in prob the best conference in NCAA. Where is he falling in the draft? You think a team like bal or under them would let him slip bye. That's some serious crazy talk there. This is so similar to Rodon in '14. He was the consensus #1 for so long that every time he's not near-perfect is a reason to doubt him. You'd never guess reading this thread that his ERA is 2.44 of that he's got a 118 to 25 K/BB in 81 innings. Every time he's given up a homer--he's given up six (6)--is used as a reason he'll fall in the draft. He sits 93 and his slider is the best secondary in the class. I can understand the doubts about his third pitch, and the natural worry of any pitcher. But people seem to have developed these outrageous expectations for him after he established himself as the early frontrunner as top pick. He'd be an awesome get at #4. EDIT: It is also funny to see people bemoaning the fact that Henry Davis, a player that was on nobody's radar two months ago, possibly being unavailable. If he plays himself ahead of these other guys, that's great! If Rocker or Leiter or Lawlar is available because Davis skyrocketed then the Red Sox are better off. You blow past the fact that rondon was DROPPED by his team last off season. Ie he wasn’t good enough to even be a reliever on their team and had to sign a contract for $3 million 7 years after being drafted. And in that 7 years this is his best 4 week stretch but he had a 8.02 era last year! Yeah not so great. Sorry I don’t want a Carlos rondon repeat with this pick whomever it is. We can pick that up either on waivers or in free agency and strike gold that way
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Post by tyler on May 14, 2021 23:23:31 GMT -5
But I’ll lay off the Kumar hate for a while…if the Davis and Mayer rumors are true, here’s a guy we may suddenly have a shot at.
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Post by cdj on May 14, 2021 23:42:13 GMT -5
Listen if you like Rocker then by all means like the guy. There is a lot to like:) But he was the presumptive number 1 because he threw a no hitter 2 years ago and then last year got canceled. He had a good/not dominant freshman season that ended on an awesome note and then college baseball just pretty much ended. He does put up a good stat line in the SEC, but even college players are still about projection and how their stuff will project to the majors. If it was just based on stats then Brent Rooker with his 23 dingers and .387 average would have been the number 1 pick but he went 35th right. Rocker is talented but the 3 things scouts wanted to see this year was 1) could he improve and hold his velocity, 2). Could he improve his command and control, and 3) can he show a third pitch. He started 95 to 98 than seriously dipped for 3 games to 89 to 91, and has now settled in the 91 to 94 range. He will lose command of his fastball almost every game for a bit. His cutter as a third pitch I’ve heard has been good on certain nights. With that fastball he is not a power pitcher right now. He is not a command and control specialist….to me. But if the Red Sox think the can improve his fast command and velocity they know more than I:). You see I think it’s disingenuous to say he was only regarded as the consensus #1 because of that 1 game. I’d say his stat line in the SEC as a freshman was a little bit better than “good”.... He has the best frame and the best singular pitch in the draft. I understand if it’s somebody you DONT want- he’s not a perfect prospect- but I don’t feel the need to undersell the guy
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Post by tyler on May 14, 2021 23:56:43 GMT -5
It was very good freshman year and an awesome finish to the year. My problem is that Kumar does not have an elite fast ball and that just worries me a little. Here’s what Aaron Fitt said about it today “ An inning later, fellow lefthanded hitter Kevin Graham also pounced on a Rocker fastball, hitting a 93 mph heater over the right-field fence for a solo homer. From that point on, the Rebels didn’t see many fastballs from Rocker, who didn’t get any swing-and-misses on the heater in the game.” Fitt goes on to mention that the change looked pretty good, his cutter as well and he really started snapping off his curve so that’s positive. I’m not saying Rocker isn’t very good. I’m just saying I’m wary of using a top 4 pick on a guy whose fastball does not miss bats at the college level. That’s it. If you disagree I’m totally willing to listen:)
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Post by Legion of Bloom on May 15, 2021 5:53:15 GMT -5
I want one of the position players:
Marcelo Lawlar Davis
In that order for me.
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Post by unitspin on May 15, 2021 6:21:27 GMT -5
Still do not understand the nitpicking of rocker. He just went 7in 3er 8k 1bb his era is under 2.5 in prob the best conference in NCAA. Where is he falling in the draft? You think a team like bal or under them would let him slip bye. That's some serious crazy talk there. This is so similar to Rodon in '14. He was the consensus #1 for so long that every time he's not near-perfect is a reason to doubt him. You'd never guess reading this thread that his ERA is 2.44 of that he's got a 118 to 25 K/BB in 81 innings. Every time he's given up a homer--he's given up six (6)--is used as a reason he'll fall in the draft. He sits 93 and his slider is the best secondary in the class. I can understand the doubts about his third pitch, and the natural worry of any pitcher. But people seem to have developed these outrageous expectations for him after he established himself as the early frontrunner as top pick. He'd be an awesome get at #4. EDIT: It is also funny to see people bemoaning the fact that Henry Davis, a player that was on nobody's radar two months ago, possibly being unavailable. If he plays himself ahead of these other guys, that's great! If Rocker or Leiter or Lawlar is available because Davis skyrocketed then the Red Sox are better off. Exactly, ultimately no one on this board is making the pick. We can have fun with who we like but in the end its just fun. As well rodon is one of the best pitchers in mlb right now.
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Post by philarhody on May 15, 2021 7:27:19 GMT -5
Take one of Marcelo, Lawler, Davis, and take Leiter if they are all gone.
This isn’t hard. Position players are more valuable than pitchers when they make it.
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Post by jdog2020 on May 15, 2021 12:42:45 GMT -5
Mason Black remains an intriguing arm for me. Perhaps in the 3rd round. I'm a homer, because I also went to Lehigh. He was solid through 3 innings today vs Navy, then had a rough 4th inning. He has an interesting mix.
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Post by azblue on May 15, 2021 13:41:06 GMT -5
The Red Sox will have the pick of the remaining 2 on this list (and all other players on their board). It may turn out to have been worth the suffering while watching the Sox play in the Covid-shortened 2020 season.
Leiter Mayer Davis Rocker Lawler
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Post by dyoungteach on May 15, 2021 14:43:27 GMT -5
The Red Sox will have the pick of the remaining 2 on this list (and all other players on their board). It may turn out to have been worth the suffering while watching the Sox play in the Covid-shortened 2020 season. Leiter Mayer Davis Rocker Lawler I really think house might sneak into this discussion before all is done. Or could. Maybe not will. Money will become a factor for some players. And house has been solid for quite awhile and has shown when he struggled he can recover and even improve
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Post by Smittyw on May 15, 2021 14:53:31 GMT -5
Everyone has their preferences, but we should land an exciting talent no matter how you slice it, which is about all you can ask for. If we're at a point where Kumar might be the worst-case scenario at #4, there's a lot to be excited about.
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Post by tyler on May 15, 2021 16:45:18 GMT -5
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Post by pedroelgrande on May 15, 2021 17:37:41 GMT -5
Leiter is shoving again.
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Post by tyler on May 15, 2021 18:20:19 GMT -5
If he keeps that up we have a top 4 again. Leiter, Lawlar, Davis, Mayer. Just awesome.
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 16, 2021 21:24:42 GMT -5
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Post by azblue on May 16, 2021 21:51:47 GMT -5
The Red Sox will have the pick of the remaining 2 on this list (and all other players on their board). It may turn out to have been worth the suffering while watching the Sox play in the Covid-shortened 2020 season. Leiter Mayer Davis Rocker Lawler I really think house might sneak into this discussion before all is done. Or could. Maybe not will. Money will become a factor for some players. And house has been solid for quite awhile and has shown when he struggled he can recover and even improve I fully agree with you about House. I would prefer him to the pitchers.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 16, 2021 22:25:07 GMT -5
Interesting. BOH is not the guy I thought who'd be going in for a scouting look, but I guess he is technically the GM.
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Post by RedSoxStats on May 16, 2021 22:58:01 GMT -5
Forget where I noted them from, but if we are keeping a log, two other guys the Sox have been in to watch:
Jordan Patty, RHP, Central Michigan Nathan Deschryver, RHP, HS Washington
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 17, 2021 10:47:23 GMT -5
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Post by tyler on May 17, 2021 10:51:33 GMT -5
No more Kumar slander from me. But pertaining the other Vandy pitcher that weekend.
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