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Post by kevfc89 on Feb 27, 2021 18:24:03 GMT -5
Bryant seems about as promising as one can expect from trading fodder like Osich.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Feb 27, 2021 19:06:58 GMT -5
Joaquin Andujar: There is one word in America that says it all, and that one word is, 'You never know.' Off topic of Osich/Bryant, but those who don't remember Andujar from his days as a pitcher for mostly NL teams? He was one of those guys who gave batters the jitters when was on the mound, much like Buster Kison did. You didn't spend time digging in before an AB and especially.. Dive over HIS plate, or you were going to catch one high and tight. Andujar was infamous for starting brawls with his fearless style. One to be admired, along with Kison, 2 of the last.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Feb 27, 2021 19:44:40 GMT -5
Bryant did 21 innings ?? in '19 ... A short season. A this year. Rule 5 in Dec '22 15th rounder
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 27, 2021 19:55:23 GMT -5
Bryant did 21 innings ?? in '19 ... A short season. A this year. Rule 5 in Dec '22 15th rounder After he signed they were very careful with him. Had at least 4 days between each appearance. Curious given he only pitched 31 innings during the college season, but nothing concerning imo.
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Post by orion09 on Feb 27, 2021 21:13:31 GMT -5
Any thoughts about where he’ll slot in? A top-40 guy or somewhere below?
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Post by blizzards39 on Feb 27, 2021 23:39:32 GMT -5
I just read a headline Sox got Bryant form Cubs. That woulda been a good way to cap off the off-season. Anyway I way just looking at Zacks stat line. This guy looks good. Walks a few but Ks lots. But most impressively this guy has NEVER given up a home run. At least going back to 2016.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 28, 2021 0:09:41 GMT -5
Much better return than the cash I was expecting them to get or the organizational player.
Bryant certainly has nice numbers, albeit limited, for his career. There's nothing suggesting that he doesn't have a chance to help out a major league bullpen. I'd say his ceiling is higher than Josh Osich and Osich gave the Red Sox absolutely nothing and the Cubs even less.
Hard to believe that Bloom turned three relievers who pitched terribly for them, guys who I thought had absolutely zero value, into two guys who might actually contribute to a future Red Sox team.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Feb 28, 2021 0:47:35 GMT -5
Workman was pretty solid after finally shaking off the troubles of his TJ, but agree 100% on the rest. None, even Hembree the last year or so were worth a flip and bloom managed to pick up a handful of fair kids in return. Like pennies from heaven.
All i could think of when Tampa was sending the Sox hernandez.. Philly Pavetta and Seabold, Pad's Potts and Rosario is THANK goodness there are other GM's who look at fuzzy numbers that hardly ever translate and paid thru the nose for extras. Sure, Moreland and Pillar were OK, but some GM's really over valued their worth and Bloom did well.
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Post by kevfc89 on Feb 28, 2021 2:18:33 GMT -5
Workman was pretty solid after finally shaking off the troubles of his TJ, but agree 100% on the rest. None, even Hembree the last year or so were worth a flip and bloom managed to pick up a handful of fair kids in return. Like pennies from heaven. All i could think of when Tampa was sending the Sox hernandez.. Philly Pavetta and Seabold, Pad's Potts and Rosario is THANK goodness there are other GM's who look at fuzzy numbers that hardly ever translate and paid thru the nose for extras. Sure, Moreland and Pillar were OK, but some GM's really over valued their worth and Bloom did well. That's true, Workman was great in 2019, but the signs were apparent from Spring Training that he was off to start 2020. Fortunately, it was early enough to reasonably think SSS so the Phillies with their dumpster fire bullpen jumped in to trade for him, only for him to add enough fuel to turn it into an inferno. Hembree and Workman together did enough damage that just not making that trade might have saved the Phillies' playoff hopes.
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Post by nomar on Feb 28, 2021 10:25:48 GMT -5
We won the trade!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 28, 2021 11:36:46 GMT -5
Any thoughts about where he’ll slot in? A top-40 guy or somewhere below? He might be a 51-60 guy, but given the paucity of reports we're going to hold off probably until we get more info. The fact that they got even a potentially rankable prospect for Osich is impressive.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 28, 2021 11:57:06 GMT -5
Any thoughts about where he’ll slot in? A top-40 guy or somewhere below? He might be a 51-60 guy, but given the paucity of reports we're going to hold off probably until we get more info. The fact that they got a potentially rankable prospect for Osich is nuts. Absolutely. I brought up his BR page and was really surprised at his numbers. Made me think it's time to recalibrate the PTBNL thing.
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Post by humanbeingbean on Feb 28, 2021 12:02:06 GMT -5
Bloom just keeps on winning trades. Or, getting strong returns, at least.
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Post by manfred on Feb 28, 2021 12:19:43 GMT -5
Any thoughts about where he’ll slot in? A top-40 guy or somewhere below? He might be a 51-60 guy, but given the paucity of reports we're going to hold off probably until we get more info. The fact that they got even a potentially rankable prospect for Osich is impressive. It is insane. 2.2 innings. This is bizarrely lopsided. I mean, how much of a role did the Cubs think Osich would play in a playoff push?
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Post by jbsox on Feb 28, 2021 12:38:03 GMT -5
This gives me some hope we get more than just cash or something on the Chatham trade as well.
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Post by cdj on Feb 28, 2021 12:59:05 GMT -5
This gives me some hope we get more than just cash or something on the Chatham trade as well. After getting something for Osich I’m going to be upset if it isn’t a top 3 prospect. In all seriousness though it wouldn’t shock me if it’s somebody that we could slide into the 40s or 50s
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Post by Jimmy on Feb 28, 2021 13:40:33 GMT -5
This gives me some hope we get more than just cash or something on the Chatham trade as well. I think there’s a difference in that Osich was traded off a losing team at the deadline and Chatham was a 40 man casualty, but after being dead wrong about Osich return being cash I guess I won’t speculate.
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Post by stevedillard on Feb 28, 2021 14:01:08 GMT -5
Does beg the question Chris wondered about: why was he not named until the first week of spring training. Was this another because of the pandemic, "let me see him actually play a bit before making a choice" and they scouted him training at Cubs camp?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 28, 2021 17:40:36 GMT -5
Does beg the question Chris wondered about: why was he not named until the first week of spring training. Was this another because of the pandemic, "let me see him actually play a bit before making a choice" and they scouted him training at Cubs camp? I've looked into it a bit more and my understanding is they were just taking time to do due diligence, see if anything changed over the offseason, see what else they could learn before picking a player. COVID uncertainty apparently might be making teams more amenable to trade partners going the PTBNL route and taking their time as well (see willingness of Royals and Mets to do PTBNLs in the Benintendi trade).
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Post by jimgosger on Feb 28, 2021 19:06:06 GMT -5
Zach Bryant report from Cubs Central. "I really like Bryant’s curve. Over the last few drafts, the Cubs have been taking all different kinds of pitchers but they all have at least one pitch to build around. Bryant definitely has one of those. Physically, he’s not going to get much bigger, but he can get better. It will be interesting to see how he changes next spring after instructs and whether he sticks with what is working this year or if he adds a twist or two to his arsenal. Is there a cutter in his future? Or a changeup? Or a sinker? Anything is possible, but “Uncle Charlie” should not be going anywhere."
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