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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 16, 2021 15:37:07 GMT -5
If you can add Workman to be your closer, allowing the other guys to pitch more important innings, sign me up. I think that would make a big difference. That could be a darn cheap way to likely add about 1 bwar to the team and trading for relievers when you need one is crazy expensive. A platoon 1B would cost less to trade for, yet I'd say sign both.😂
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Post by julyanmorley on Feb 16, 2021 17:07:31 GMT -5
Does Sawamura go to arbitration year 4?
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Post by shagworthy on Feb 16, 2021 17:51:44 GMT -5
By proxy of watching last year, on paper, 2021, the pitching staff is better. But I have so many questions that stifle any optimism. Unlike many, I am not a huge fan of Erod, I still haven't forgiven him for the cardinal sin of quitting on a game a few years ago when the team needed him to continue even though he was having a rough outing. Eovaldi just represents too much risk in my opinion for questionable gains, as great as his radar readings are, his fastball is hittable, which speaks to his lack of movement. He's always reminded me of Juan Guzman.
The lineup after 5 is a toss up. Power to hit a ton of home runs, likelihood of strikeout after strikeout. Guess we won't know till we see actual games played. Until then we're all tossing crap into a fan and seeing what happens.
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Post by jimoh on Feb 16, 2021 17:56:15 GMT -5
If he has an option for the third year is at least 600k, is it for tax purposes a 3-year-deal at 1.2/1.2/.6 or $1M this year?
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Post by Jimmy on Feb 16, 2021 18:14:13 GMT -5
I don't subscribe, but I'm told The Athletic has said the Sox have had the "8th best offseason." And mlb.com had the 10 teams that “won” the off season and the Sox were.... not even an honorable mention? Somewhere between 12 and 30. Let ‘em play ball. We’ll know then. I guess it depends on how you look at “winning” the off-season. Is working towards a 2021 World Series title the only factor? Or can you “win” by deepening your 40 man and your farm while putting a somewhat improved product on the field. I guess all I’m saying is different teams have different goals so it’s tough to say who “won” the off-season without establishing some sort of criteria. In my mind they were big winners this off-season because in my opinion they efficiently worked towards long term goals. Other people probably think they were losers because they didn’t do enough for 2021. Possibly why the Athletic has them Top 10 while MLB has them outside the Top 12. *Formerly RedSox15*
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Post by manfred on Feb 16, 2021 19:01:10 GMT -5
And mlb.com had the 10 teams that “won” the off season and the Sox were.... not even an honorable mention? Somewhere between 12 and 30. Let ‘em play ball. We’ll know then. I guess it depends on how you look at “winning” the off-season. Is working towards a 2021 World Series title the only factor? Or can you “win” by deepening your 40 man and your farm while putting a somewhat improved product on the field. I guess all I’m saying is different teams have different goals so it’s tough to say who “won” the off-season without establishing some sort of criteria. In my mind they were big winners this off-season because in my opinion they efficiently worked towards long term goals. Other people probably think they were losers because they didn’t do enough for 2021. Possibly why the Athletic has them Top 10 while MLB has them outside the Top 12. *Formerly RedSox15* What would you say were the big moves not-for-2021 that made them big winners?
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Feb 16, 2021 19:27:23 GMT -5
Is this in addition to the Sawamura deal? Yeah, they are still looking. Cotillo dropped some name yesterday of guys they are interested in. My guess is that along with Jeffries, Workman, and Chaz Roe, the Sox would be interested in Tony Watson.
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Post by Jimmy on Feb 16, 2021 19:39:38 GMT -5
I guess it depends on how you look at âwinningâ the off-season. Is working towards a 2021 World Series title the only factor? Or can you âwinâ by deepening your 40 man and your farm while putting a somewhat improved product on the field. I guess all Iâm saying is different teams have different goals so itâs tough to say who âwonâ the off-season without establishing some sort of criteria. In my mind they were big winners this off-season because in my opinion they efficiently worked towards long term goals. Other people probably think they were losers because they didnât do enough for 2021. Possibly why the Athletic has them Top 10 while MLB has them outside the Top 12. *Formerly RedSox15* What would you say were the big moves not-for-2021 that made them big winners? 1. Extra year of control on Cordero vs Benny while also adding to the farm (obviously return is still unknown but letâs assume Cordero + Lee equivalent + 2 lottery tickets in terms of value) 2. Added Frank German while also adding Otto who could plausibly be a valuable trade chip at the deadline. While the Otto piece isnât *directly* a future based move, thereâs a clear trend in adding guys who can easily be moved for more prospects if they perform. The Moreland / Pillar / Workman trades weren’t flashy but we added Wallace, Seabold, Pivetta, Potts, Rosario. We reloaded ammunition for deals of this level return or better. 3. Going off the Otto trade value point, add Perez, Kiké, Marwin, Richards (would also consider the Richards team option a good future based move, also increases trade value) 4. Sawamura 3 year contract, low price good upside So where these move largely around the margins? Yes, for the most part. But thatâs how you do it when youâre left with mostly cornerstones and bad contracts with not much of value in between. The team has been assembled in a manner that not only improves the outlook for 2021 but also to the points above improves the farm and adds options to improve the farm again at the deadline and potentially in the next offseason. Itâs not flashy but itâs good work.
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Post by bosox on Feb 16, 2021 21:14:31 GMT -5
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Post by blizzards39 on Feb 16, 2021 22:59:03 GMT -5
Would be nice to grab one of these guys on a minor league deal. Not sure if possible.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Feb 17, 2021 9:37:25 GMT -5
Cross Workman off the list of available RP options:
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Post by cba82 on Feb 19, 2021 7:54:42 GMT -5
Do you think Jackie Bradley Jr. is getting worried yet?
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Feb 19, 2021 8:01:06 GMT -5
Wonder if Jackie might pull a Stephen Drew/Craig Kimbrel and wait until after the season starts to sign.
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Post by greenmonster on Feb 19, 2021 9:29:40 GMT -5
Do you think Jackie Bradley Jr. is getting worried yet? It appears the Boras has not done him any favors
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Post by incandenza on Feb 19, 2021 9:36:12 GMT -5
If Boras' strategy is to hold out as long as necessary in order to get the best deal possible, perhaps we should wait to see what deal he gets before judging Boras' strategy?
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 19, 2021 10:05:37 GMT -5
Boras has a really good hit rate. I wouldn't be surprised if he's able to secure a big contract for JBJ. Especially if someone goes down in camp or if Houston decides that they need someone.
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Post by iakovos11 on Feb 19, 2021 10:17:22 GMT -5
Do you think Jackie Bradley Jr. is getting worried yet? It appears the Boras has not done him any favors Boras works for Jackie (and he has a great track record). But, any offers that JBJ has had he could have accepted, regardless of Boras. Or he could tell Boras to back off his 4-yr only offers stance if he was so inclined.
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Post by greenmonster on Feb 19, 2021 10:19:58 GMT -5
Boras has a really good hit rate. I wouldn't be surprised if he's able to secure a big contract for JBJ. Especially if someone goes down in camp or if Houston decides that they need someone. I was responding to the idea about JBJ getting nervous. Players are reporting for camp and beginning works outs. What is JBJ doing, taking soft-toss at the Boras complex? Still time but I don't think a significantly late arrival sets him up for a great season. You make a fair point, Boras does usually end up doing surprisingly well. I do however think he over played his hand with regards to JBJ. A few weeks ago when the market was starting to move he came out with the JBJ is expecting four or more years, etc. Been pretty quiet since and it appears that teams went in other directions. Obviously just speculating like everyone else and as Incandeza suggests we wont know until he signs somewhere.
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Post by manfred on Feb 19, 2021 10:25:36 GMT -5
Maybe JBJ is proud of what he’s achieved — WS, All Star, Gold Glove, excellent year last year — looks at what guys with bigger question marks are getting and says “I won’t settle?” Maybe it is partly a principle thing. Good for him. I hope he gets paid even if it means we lose him.
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Post by greenmonster on Feb 19, 2021 10:34:42 GMT -5
It appears the Boras has not done him any favors Boras works for Jackie (and he has a great track record). But, any offers that JBJ has had he could have accepted, regardless of Boras. Or he could tell Boras to back off his 4-yr only offers stance if he was so inclined. This is true, but he also pays him to be his advisor. If Boras is telling him to wait and I can get you a great deal, is JBJ gonna tell him no, your wrong? I do remember Varitek telling him to "Get the best deal with the Red Sox" so it does happen but I think that is pretty rare. Based on Boras' reputation players generally hire him that are interested in milking every last drop. Seems like the door has closed with the Mets and possibly with the Red Sox. Houston appears to be the best match and I wouldn't rule out someone like DD jumping in and overbidding
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Post by greenmonster on Feb 19, 2021 10:36:35 GMT -5
Maybe JBJ is proud of what he’s achieved — WS, All Star, Gold Glove, excellent year last year — looks at what guys with bigger question marks are getting and says “I won’t settle?” Maybe it is partly a principle thing. Good for him. I hope he gets paid even if it means we lose him. Agree... I hope JBJ does well but he has to be nervous right now
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Post by unitspin on Feb 19, 2021 10:45:06 GMT -5
Boras has a really good hit rate. I wouldn't be surprised if he's able to secure a big contract for JBJ. Especially if someone goes down in camp or if Houston decides that they need someone. He worked wonders for Jason Varitek.
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Post by manfred on Feb 19, 2021 13:46:26 GMT -5
Not exactly a FA question, but....
If the Sox have been moving for flexibility, and we’ve collectively decided they weren’t going to sign Mookie or Beni and don’t seem to want JBJ, it seems like that means Devers appears to be the priority.
So... if they sign him to an extension, does that add to the *overall* average of his contract?
In other words, if a guy is on a one-year, say, $1 million, and you sign him to a 2-year, $14 million extension.... does that become $5 mill a year for 3 years, or 2 at $7 mill starting when it kicks in?
I ask because it seems like with the cutting and small moves, it seems like the time at least to lock in the core guys... if there are guys they intend to make a longterm core.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 19, 2021 14:16:40 GMT -5
Before the season it's 3 years 5 AAV, after the season starts it's one year $1 million and two years 7 million AAV starting next year.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 19, 2021 14:25:09 GMT -5
It depends how you do it. You can sign a guy to an extension that starts after his current one-year deal, I think. Pretty sure they did this with Vazquez. I vaguely recall having to talk RSS off a ledge on that one when it seemed they crossed a threshold based on impatience, but he can correct me on that.
It really all depends what you want. Do you want to count more now to save more space down the road, or are you up against a CBT threshold now and want to kick more into future seasons?
EDIT: UMass, I think you're recalling an old rule. Fairly certain they got rid of that.
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