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Post by manfred on Feb 19, 2021 14:34:46 GMT -5
It depends how you do it. You can sign a guy to an extension that starts after his current one-year deal, I think. Pretty sure they did this with Vazquez. I vaguely recall having to talk RSS off a ledge on that one when it seemed they crossed a threshold based on impatience, but he can correct me on that. It really all depends what you want. Do you want to count more now to save more space down the road, or are you up against a CBT threshold now and want to kick more into future seasons? EDIT: UMass, I think you're recalling an old rule. Fairly certain they got rid of that. I figured they could thread the needle with Devers: not add to this year’s salaries — thereby potentially staying under; but not waiting to extend him in hope that they can get him for a bit less than they will down the line.
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Post by cba82 on Feb 19, 2021 16:31:13 GMT -5
It appears the Boras has not done him any favors Boras works for Jackie (and he has a great track record). But, any offers that JBJ has had he could have accepted, regardless of Boras. Or he could tell Boras to back off his 4-yr only offers stance if he was so inclined. I've often wondered who works for whom in Scott Boras's relationship with his clients...
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Post by johnsilver52 on Feb 19, 2021 18:28:23 GMT -5
Boras works for Jackie (and he has a great track record). But, any offers that JBJ has had he could have accepted, regardless of Boras. Or he could tell Boras to back off his 4-yr only offers stance if he was so inclined. This is true, but he also pays him to be his advisor. If Boras is telling him to wait and I can get you a great deal, is JBJ gonna tell him no, your wrong? I do remember Varitek telling him to "Get the best deal with the Red Sox" so it does happen but I think that is pretty rare. Based on Boras' reputation players generally hire him that are interested in milking every last drop. Seems like the door has closed with the Mets and possibly with the Red Sox. Houston appears to be the best match and I wouldn't rule out someone like DD jumping in and overbidding Used to keep a list of players who either publicly had traded barbs with Boras after leaving, or actually sued him. Well.. I've no longer got it. was several years ago anyway.. I remember a reserve latin infielder Boston had several years ago was on that list, who was once a very good ballplayer, apologizes, don't remember his name.. Sheffield was on the list.. Seems like was about 6-8 former clients whom had either publicly dissed, and/or outright taken him to court for various things. The ex red sox player was, as remember barely paying any attention to his case in FA and relegating it finally to someone who didn't understand negotiations. What has been commonly said about Boras is he pays attention to so called "major" cases and ignores the others, or shuffles them off to underlings. Used a lawyer for anything, especially some so called "name" one? Notice how a case will get shuffled off to some fresh faced, just out of college kiddie who knows squat? Believe myself Boras works this same way, counting on using the name to draw in unsuspecting clients.. Handling the major "cases" himself, then shuffling off the leftovers to his junior partners who barely know what the hell is going on.
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Post by blizzards39 on Feb 19, 2021 21:45:22 GMT -5
Maybe JBJ is proud of what he’s achieved — WS, All Star, Gold Glove, excellent year last year — looks at what guys with bigger question marks are getting and says “I won’t settle?” Maybe it is partly a principle thing. Good for him. I hope he gets paid even if it means we lose him. Agree... I hope JBJ does well but he has to be nervous right now Anxious maybe. Not nervous. He’s the guy who signed Boras. This is part of that. It’s not like Bradley is out of work or anything. Just a matter of when to play his hand.
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Post by bosox on Feb 20, 2021 22:54:35 GMT -5
No Heller to the Sox. Looks like Ben Heller is going to Arizona.
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Post by blizzards39 on Feb 20, 2021 23:03:42 GMT -5
No Heller to the Sox. Looks like Ben Heller is going to Arizona. It’s notable that this is a minor league deal. I think that’s what we can see form here on out. I’m comfortable where the Sox are at to start the season. It would sure be nice to keep that buffer zone under the cap. I’m pretty sure a team will be able to add talent,that has high wage , fairly easy as the season goes on.
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Post by ericmvan on Feb 21, 2021 14:55:10 GMT -5
From MLBTR: Translation: We'll gladly welcome him back at $XM, and he still is hoping to get a better deal from somebody else.
My guess is that X = 7. JBJ may be hoping that somebody's CF gets hurt in ST, but that seems silly. C'mon, Jackie, take the money and run to the CF triangle!
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Post by manfred on Feb 21, 2021 14:57:35 GMT -5
From MLBTR: Translation: We'll gladly welcome him back at $XM, and he still is hoping to get a better deal from somebody else.
My guess is that X = 7. JBJ may be hoping that somebody's CF gets hurt in ST, but that seems silly. C'mon, Jackie, take the money and run to the CF triangle!
I agree, but at this point, if the message *is* we’ll take you back at $x, why not wait? See if a team suddenly needs him, take the Sox low offer 3 weeks from now or whatever?
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Post by johnsilver52 on Feb 21, 2021 16:56:20 GMT -5
Maybe if/after some core player extension is negotiated and that player's current 2021 salary eliminated and the new one is included in whatever deal is negotiated. Then could see Bradley back, if that deal took them over the threshold and whatever Bradley was offered/signed for was cheap.. 5-7m AAV over no more than a couple seasons.
BSI, or maybe was OTM had an article today on prospective extensions. Nothing earth shattering, but brings forth obvious candidates. Didn't mention Vazquez tho who would like to see extended beyond his 2022 team option.
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Feb 22, 2021 5:35:06 GMT -5
From MLBTR: Translation: We'll gladly welcome him back at $XM, and he still is hoping to get a better deal from somebody else.
My guess is that X = 7. JBJ may be hoping that somebody's CF gets hurt in ST, but that seems silly. C'mon, Jackie, take the money and run to the CF triangle!
We'll see on JBJ, his contract demands were even too rich for the money rich Mets. Verdugo should be number one on the list of guys to extend, or I will riot.
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Feb 23, 2021 14:05:16 GMT -5
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Post by greenmonster on Feb 23, 2021 14:11:24 GMT -5
I wonder if "take next step" means increase the dollars, increase the years, or clear a roster spot???
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Post by congusgambler33 on Feb 23, 2021 16:21:48 GMT -5
At this point< I cant see the Red sox even giving him a 1 yr deal with Duran on the not too distant horizon. If the Sox are one of those teams, it would have to be a short term deal and i doubt that JBJ would be amenable to that.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 23, 2021 16:42:28 GMT -5
At this point< I cant see the Red sox even giving him a 1 yr deal with Duran on the not too distant horizon. If the Sox are one of those teams, it would have to be a short term deal and i doubt that JBJ would be amenable to that. I didn't see the interview but from what I read JDM was talking about JBJ in a past tense, meaning that JBJ is not coming back. Honestly the handwriting has been on the wall for a long time. He wants multiple years and the Sox would prefer not to give it to him, and they're trying to stay under the luxury tax limit. I understand the social circumstances contributing to the decision to hand onto him last August but considering how well Bloom did in the Workman/Hembree and Moreland trades, I'll always wonder what another team would have been willing to give up to rent JBJ.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Feb 23, 2021 16:53:30 GMT -5
Maybe JBJ is proud of what he’s achieved — WS, All Star, Gold Glove, excellent year last year — looks at what guys with bigger question marks are getting and says “I won’t settle?” Maybe it is partly a principle thing. Good for him. I hope he gets paid even if it means we lose him. Agree... I hope JBJ does well but he has to be nervous right now Whenever I see some player hold out it reminds me of Garciaparra. He balks at 4year $64 million from the Red Sox who traded him to the Cubs. The Cubs and Dodgers paid him $41 million over the same time frame (his unwillingness to sign cost him about $23 million.....) lol lol lol A bird in the hand....
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 23, 2021 16:58:45 GMT -5
Agree... I hope JBJ does well but he has to be nervous right now Whenever I see some player hold out it reminds me of Garciaparra. He balks at 4year $64 million from the Red Sox who traded him to the Cubs. The Cubs and Dodgers paid him $41 million over the same time frame (his unwillingness to sign cost him about $23 million.....) lol lol lol A bird in the hand.... I thought that I've heard Nomar say that he had an offer of 4 years $60 million and wanted to sign it but then the Red Sox lowered the offer and when he refused to sign it, they went after A-Rod. Who knows what the real truth is? Did the Red Sox really make an offer to Mookie that would have made him the highest player but he turned it down because he didn't want to stay or did the Red Sox not want to up their offer from 10 years $300 million? Under the same vein of we'll never really know for sure. Doesn't matter anymore. Water under the bridge at this point.
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Post by incandenza on Feb 23, 2021 17:01:03 GMT -5
Agree... I hope JBJ does well but he has to be nervous right now Whenever I see some player hold out it reminds me of Garciaparra. He balks at 4year $64 million from the Red Sox who traded him to the Cubs. The Cubs and Dodgers paid him $41 million over the same time frame (his unwillingness to sign cost him about $23 million.....) lol lol lol A bird in the hand.... JBJ doesn't seem particularly nervous at the moment.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Feb 23, 2021 17:13:09 GMT -5
At this point< I cant see the Red sox even giving him a 1 yr deal with Duran on the not too distant horizon. If the Sox are one of those teams, it would have to be a short term deal and i doubt that JBJ would be amenable to that. I didn't see the interview but from what I read JDM was talking about JBJ in a past tense, meaning that JBJ is not coming back. Honestly the handwriting has been on the wall for a long time. He wants multiple years and the Sox would prefer not to give it to him, and they're trying to stay under the luxury tax limit. I understand the social circumstances contributing to the decision to hand onto him last August but considering how well Bloom did in the Workman/Hembree and Moreland trades, I'll always wonder what another team would have been willing to give up to rent JBJ. Social circumstances hogwash.....JBJ should have been traded if there was no plan to retain him just like Betts who brought the Red Sox VERDUGO, DOWNS, And WONG! JBJ would have brought something, and it probably would have been at least on a par with what they got for Moreland especially if the RS had included some cash!
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Feb 23, 2021 17:19:49 GMT -5
Whenever I see some player hold out it reminds me of Garciaparra. He balks at 4year $64 million from the Red Sox who traded him to the Cubs. The Cubs and Dodgers paid him $41 million over the same time frame (his unwillingness to sign cost him about $23 million.....) lol lol lol A bird in the hand.... I thought that I've heard Nomar say that he had an offer of 4 years $60 million and wanted to sign it but then the Red Sox lowered the offer and when he refused to sign it, they went after A-Rod. Who knows what the real truth is? Did the Red Sox really make an offer to Mookie that would have made him the highest player but he turned it down because he didn't want to stay or did the Red Sox not want to up their offer from 10 years $300 million? Under the same vein of we'll never really know for sure. Doesn't matter anymore. Water under the bridge at this point. The point still stands !!!!! If he had signed when he was offered the contract he would have made around $20 million more. (I was and am a huge Nomar fan, but he goofed pure and simple and it cost him)!!!!
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Feb 23, 2021 17:24:51 GMT -5
Whenever I see some player hold out it reminds me of Garciaparra. He balks at 4year $64 million from the Red Sox who traded him to the Cubs. The Cubs and Dodgers paid him $41 million over the same time frame (his unwillingness to sign cost him about $23 million.....) lol lol lol A bird in the hand.... JBJ doesn't seem particularly nervous at the moment. JBJ does not need to be nervous. He will be signed by some team. It just may be for less than he hoped. (JD held out for $200 million over 5 years and ended up signing for $110 million which is so much that he cannot opt out for fear that he will get less than what is in the original 5 year $110 million.
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Post by bosox on Feb 23, 2021 18:29:30 GMT -5
I wonder if "take next step" means increase the dollars, increase the years, or clear a roster spotIf the next step is clearing a roster spot, the team may be the Red Sox. They've been slow at clearing roster spots. They still have to add Marwin as well as Plawecki and Cordero once they're ready to come off the C19 IL. It's like being in a checkout line behind a cart full of price checks.
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Post by jimoh on Feb 23, 2021 18:39:13 GMT -5
Mlbtraderumors chat today;
Ryan 2:49 What the heck is going on with Jackie Bradley Jr? Is he just getting really low offers? Steve Adams 2:50 SNY reported that he set out looking for $50MM+ over four-plus years. If that's the case, then I'm not surprised he's still out there. And I like JBJ more than most!
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Feb 23, 2021 18:59:44 GMT -5
Mlbtraderumors chat today; Ryan 2:49 What the heck is going on with Jackie Bradley Jr? Is he just getting really low offers? Steve Adams 2:50 SNY reported that he set out looking for $50MM+ over four-plus years. If that's the case, then I'm not surprised he's still out there. And I like JBJ more than most! I have always liked JBJ! He is an excellent defensive CF who is hard working and humble!....., but if JBJ was looking for 4 year $50 million, he is being so unrealistic that he is clueless about the reality of economics.....3 year $21 million would be the neighborhood.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Feb 23, 2021 19:33:36 GMT -5
If JBJ was a more consistent hitter he may command that type of contract, but even with his circus catches and unbelievable reads off the ball, he cannot shake off the fact that he is a very streaky hitter. We need a consistent hitter for CF now.
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Post by greenmonster on Feb 23, 2021 19:51:08 GMT -5
Just to put this years FA contract length for OFer's into perspective :
6 yrs - Springer 4 yrs - Ozuna 2 yrs - Brantley, Grossman 1 yr w/ opt - Pillar, Gardner
Every other OFer has signed a 1 year deal
PS: Profar, K.Hernandez and Gonzalez have signed multi-year deals but are more utility players than straight OFers
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