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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 9, 2020 23:08:04 GMT -5
Even better:
Steve Perrault@S teve_Perrault · 1h It’s been 4,000 days since the Yankees won a World Series. Literally. The streak continues . . . MLB Jared Carrabis @jared_Carrabis · 20m The best part about tonight is that whenever you ask a Yankee fan if they remember that time Aroldis Chapman gave up a home run in the postseason to end New York's season, they have to ask which time. . . .
Tim Caputo @tim_Caputo Level 1: The two best days every baseball season: opening day & the day the Yankees are eliminated.
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Post by kjkramer on Oct 10, 2020 0:53:16 GMT -5
Made my whole season seeing Yankees lose and eliminated. Icing on the cake was Chapman gave it up....... again
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 10, 2020 1:46:48 GMT -5
Not only did the Rays never play the Astros this year, the teams the Rays played had no games against the teams the Astros played. This hasn't happened since the 1996 WS, when the Yankees beat the Braves.
And course, the same thing is true of the Braves and Dodgers. Two such series have never happened in a single post-season before.
The upshot of this is that we actually have little idea about the relative strength of the virtual East and West Leagues. And now we have the first two East / West matchups of the year. If you keep that in mind, it makes it extra interesting. Who knew how bad teh Central was until the playoffs?
If the Rays win easily and the Braves upset the Dodgers, it will suggest that the East was a better league. If the Astros win and the Dodgers sweep or win in 5, it will suggest that the West was the better league.
A Rays / Dodgers or Astros / Braves WS would give us one more East / West matchup. But in both of those cases, each winning team will have just beaten a team that their opponents had played.
A final thought. The Astros hired Dusty Baker for two reasons: he's a player's manager who has a long track record of getting guys to perform at their best, and as a PR move, by going with a highly-respected old-school guy. But there's a good chance that Cash can out-manage him here.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 10, 2020 2:30:05 GMT -5
Two nice ironic bits of justice from Statcast. Of all the balls in play:
The Judge HR ranked 14th in EV (98.3), 10th in xBA (.410), and 9th in distance (340').
The Meadows HR ranked 20th (95.6), 16th (.260), and 4th (373). It had a perfect launch angle to max its distance, and was pulled enough to get out.
The Adames line drive off Britton directly at Judge that ended the sixth with two runners on ranked 3rd (107.8) and 4th (.610).
The game-ending Urshela liner ranked 2nd (109.6) and 2nd (.690).
And how about this comparison:
The two furthest hit balls were Kiermeier's deep shot to left center leading off the 5th (383') and Gardner's to almost the same spot with 1 out in the bottom (376') of the frame.
And this contrast:
The hardest hit ball was Stanton's 110.1 groundout to Wendle in the second. The LA gave it a .190 xBA.
The ball with the highest xBA was ... Brosseau's homer (.860). It was 8th in EV (105.2) and 3rd in distance (375).
In case you're wondering, the Gardner rob of Arozarena was 12th in EV (99.6), 6th in distance (363), and had a .210 xBA.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 10, 2020 3:42:56 GMT -5
Now I'm hoping the Rays will take out the rest of the trash.
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Post by unitspin on Oct 10, 2020 6:40:25 GMT -5
Did the broadcast team really just say I hope Chapman can get 7 outs and the yanks can score. So much for quality announcers. They have been painful. Lol. Fairly sure they were saying the Yankees hoped for that. The level of paranoia some of you have is incredible. Either way they were a tough listen. You think a network like tbs could get some decent talking heads.
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Post by unitspin on Oct 10, 2020 6:44:41 GMT -5
Now I'm hoping the Rays will take out the rest of the trash. It's what I have been hoping for since the postseason started. Man, if Tampa had the money to spend on a decent lineup they would be unstoppable. Now the fun starts with the yanks, watching how they operate in this off season. How do you add three starters to an already weak rotation while getting under the cap.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 10, 2020 7:31:58 GMT -5
Now I'm hoping the Rays will take out the rest of the trash. It's what I have been hoping for since the postseason started. Man, if Tampa had the money to spend on a decent lineup they would be unstoppable. Now the fun starts with the yanks, watching how they operate in this off season. How do you add three starters to an already weak rotation while getting under the cap. If only we could find a way to get a chief of baseball operations guy from their organization.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 10, 2020 7:43:34 GMT -5
Thank you Tampa. Hope they can beat the hated Astros (although if they did win I'd be happy for Dusty Baker and nobody else on that team). I figure if the Astros win, their only purpose would be is to be road kill by the Dodgers so they can get revenge for that 2017 championship they were cheated out of. Of course if the Astros defeated the Rays and the NL Champion, baseball would have its first sub-.500 World Champion, which would be a really ugly look, and hopefully would discourage MLB from turning baseball into a format where just about everybody who doesn't totally suck would make the playoffs and we can get losing teams going all the way.
Hopefully the Rays rip Houston apart and we get the best two teams if LA wins.
The one thing that's kind of ironic about 2020 baseball is that you kind of knew that yesterday's game would be decided by a HR. It seems like teams can no longer string together two or three hits to score runs anymore. It's the long ball or nothing, which is too bad. I liked it better when teams had multiple ways to score rather than a one dimensional offense.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 10, 2020 8:37:40 GMT -5
I don’t want to see LA either. We’ve also seen them in the World Series a ton. Hopefully the Braves take them out.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 10, 2020 9:10:29 GMT -5
Daren Willman @darenw · 24m The average fastball for #Yankees vs #Rays last night was 97.2 MPH! That's the fastest average fastball velocity for a game in pitch tracking history (since 2008). My goodness that's some serious FireFireFire
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Post by TearsIn04 on Oct 10, 2020 9:46:52 GMT -5
This is always the best day of the year to listen to NY sports radio. The FAN host opened by saying that for all the things different about 2020, the MFY season ends the same way as always. He also pointed out that the MFY had exactly one at bat last night with a runner in scoring position.
An MFY message board poster last night: The PS has become all about sitting there waiting for something bad to happen.
That's how we used to feel before our 21st century dynasty. Good stuff.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Oct 10, 2020 10:18:30 GMT -5
Another great line from an MFY fan on FAN: Every October the savages turn in to little kittens.
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Post by radiohix on Oct 10, 2020 10:33:04 GMT -5
Sorry for being late but HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 10, 2020 11:30:12 GMT -5
Chad Scarsbrook @chadscarsbrook · 31m Replying to @redsoxstats Over the last 11 seasons, the Yankees have spent $2,071,312,866 on payroll. They have won zero rings during that span. . . . Money well spent.
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Post by dd on Oct 10, 2020 18:44:27 GMT -5
Yah, this is definitely not as good as winning, but it's definitely right up there. I HATE the MFYs.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 10, 2020 21:02:02 GMT -5
I was not just rooting hard the the Padres and A's as well, but I scored every pitch of every game of all three series except the thrilling A's lone win, where I had to spend the day doing errands. So I was 2 - 8 in games I'd watched. And the only good game, competitively, was the amazing Dodgers / Padres game 2.
Now, add to all that misery a thrilling Rays victory over the Yankees in a winner-take-all game ... and I feel like I've come out ahead!
BTW, that may have been the greatest AB I've ever seen. And I don't have to specify which one, do I? One of the things I love about this game is that it frequently conjures up events that a good screenwriter would reject as too improbable. "Kill the bit about him being passed over in the draft where 1,216 other guys were taken. No one's gonna buy that."
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 10, 2020 21:58:38 GMT -5
This is always the best day of the year to listen to NY sports radio. The FAN host opened by saying that for all the things different about 2020, the MFY season ends the same way as always. He also pointed out that the MFY had exactly one at bat last night with a runner in scoring position. An MFY message board poster last night: The PS has become all about sitting there waiting for something bad to happen. That's how we used to feel before our 21st century dynasty. Good stuff. You know what's weird is that in a way I think the Sox want to be a bit more like the Yankees in that they don't want to have big lulls where they fall off the map. They want to be consistent winners (as far as won/loss record goes). The Yankees haven't finished under .500 since 1992. Even in their down years they're on the edge of competitiveness and since 2001 they've been the most successful team from a W/L record standpoint. So I think that's what the Sox are trying to do. They don't want to have those 71-91 years. The Sox have been doing the peaks and valleys and I think they want to get back to what Theo's goals were in the past - to be a playoff team in at least 7 of 10 seasons. Since 2010, the Sox have been a playoff team only four times in eleven years and have finished last four times. Now you all know what I'm obviously not stating or misrepresenting - the championships of course, right? That's why they play. But it's ironic that the Red Sox are trying to accomplish the consistent year in year out success of the Yankees, figuring that the more often you get into the playoffs, the more likely you're going to win a World Series. That is the logical idea, and it certainly makes more sense than trying to capture lightning in a bottle, and I know Sox management can't like seeing ratings fall off as bad as it did this season when you have those valleys that come after peaks or could lead to the next peak if played properly. So it is kind of strange in a way that the Sox are trying to be more like the Yankees who have only 1 championship the past 20 years to the Red Sox 4 championships. So, to me, it's like the Yankees are doing things the right way, but for once, luck really hasn't been on their side, but with the Red Sox, when they do get into the playoffs - if they don't get swept out quickly - they get really dangerous and when they get really hot, they're unstoppable - I mean they're 16-3 in World Series games. You certainly don't build an organization with that blue print in mind - that they'll get to the post-season about 35% of the time anticipate that they'll ride a magic hot streak to glory. You build (or what the Red Sox are trying to do) an organization to build a sustainable winner that can make the post-season 2/3 of the time increasing their probability for a championship - the old saying that if you knock on the door enough times, eventually somebody is going to let you in. The reversal of fortune is kind of striking. The Yankees, who almost always won, are building sustainable winners (although we'll see how thoroughly tested that is in the upcoming seasons as their contracts get more expensive) but are failing to break through in the post-season. Meanwhile, the Red Sox alternate between great and severe mediocrity but when they've been great they've capitalized for 4 championship - after 85 years of none (talk about the law of averages taking over). It's not just the Yankees. I mean, has any organization does more things the right way the past seven years or so than the Dodgers, who have yet to still win a World Series? They're a juggernaut who has added one of the premier players in baseball, and still has a farm system that's producing. I'd hate to think they do everything right and still can't win a championship - that's kind of why I'm rooting for them this year. Especially after getting screwed over by the cheating Astros of 2017. I'd like to think that if you build your organization to field a sustainable winner, that the law of averages will take over and allow you to celebrate at least one championship. I certainly hope so because that's what Chaim Bloom is setting out to do and if he does, I hope it leads to the bottom line that we all want. It's just seeing the Yanks and Dodgers that make me realize how precarious this really all is, something I knew really well prior to 2004, but need to be reminded of as I see others go through the frustrations the Sox had prior to then.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 10, 2020 22:06:27 GMT -5
This is always the best day of the year to listen to NY sports radio. The FAN host opened by saying that for all the things different about 2020, the MFY season ends the same way as always. He also pointed out that the MFY had exactly one at bat last night with a runner in scoring position. An MFY message board poster last night: The PS has become all about sitting there waiting for something bad to happen. That's how we used to feel before our 21st century dynasty. Good stuff. You know what's weird is that in a way I think the Sox want to be a bit more like the Yankees in that they don't want to have big lulls where they fall off the map. They want to be consistent winners (as far as won/loss record goes). The Yankees haven't finished under .500 since 1992. Even in their down years they're on the edge of competitiveness and since 2001 they've been the most successful team from a W/L record standpoint. So I think that's what the Sox are trying to do. They don't want to have those 71-91 years. The Sox have been doing the peaks and valleys and I think they want to get back to what Theo's goals were in the past - to be a playoff team in at least 7 of 10 seasons. Since 2010, the Sox have been a playoff team only four times in eleven years and have finished last four times. Now you all know what I'm obviously not stating or misrepresenting - the championships of course, right? That's why they play. But it's ironic that the Red Sox are trying to accomplish the consistent year in year out success of the Yankees, figuring that the more often you get into the playoffs, the more likely you're going to win a World Series. That is the logical idea, and it certainly makes more sense than trying to capture lightning in a bottle, and I know Sox management can't like seeing ratings fall off as bad as it did this season when you have those valleys that come after peaks or could lead to the next peak if played properly. So it is kind of strange in a way that the Sox are trying to be more like the Yankees who have only 1 championship the past 20 years to the Red Sox 4 championships. So, to me, it's like the Yankees are doing things the right way, but for once, luck really hasn't been on their side, but with the Red Sox, when they do get into the playoffs - if they don't get swept out quickly - they get really dangerous and when they get really hot, they're unstoppable - I mean they're 16-3 in World Series games. You certainly don't build an organization with that blue print in mind - that they'll get to the post-season about 35% of the time anticipate that they'll ride a magic hot streak to glory. You build (or what the Red Sox are trying to do) an organization to build a sustainable winner that can make the post-season 2/3 of the time increasing their probability for a championship - the old saying that if you knock on the door enough times, eventually somebody is going to let you in. The reversal of fortune is kind of striking. The Yankees, who almost always won, are building sustainable winners (although we'll see how thoroughly tested that is in the upcoming seasons as their contracts get more expensive) but are failing to break through in the post-season. Meanwhile, the Red Sox alternate between great and severe mediocrity but when they've been great they've capitalized for 4 championship - after 85 years of none (talk about the law of averages taking over). It's not just the Yankees. I mean, has any organization does more things the right way the past seven years or so than the Dodgers, who have yet to still win a World Series? They're a juggernaut who has added one of the premier players in baseball, and still has a farm system that's producing. I'd hate to think they do everything right and still can't win a championship - that's kind of why I'm rooting for them this year. Especially after getting screwed over by the cheating Astros of 2017. I'd like to think that if you build your organization to field a sustainable winner, that the law of averages will take over and allow you to celebrate at least one championship. I certainly hope so because that's what Chaim Bloom is setting out to do and if he does, I hope it leads to the bottom line that we all want. It's just seeing the Yanks and Dodgers that make me realize how precarious this really all is, something I knew really well prior to 2004, but need to be reminded of as I see others go through the frustrations the Sox had prior to then. I'd take a championship every 4 years or so no matter what the down years are like.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 10, 2020 22:10:42 GMT -5
You know what's weird is that in a way I think the Sox want to be a bit more like the Yankees in that they don't want to have big lulls where they fall off the map. They want to be consistent winners (as far as won/loss record goes). The Yankees haven't finished under .500 since 1992. Even in their down years they're on the edge of competitiveness and since 2001 they've been the most successful team from a W/L record standpoint. So I think that's what the Sox are trying to do. They don't want to have those 71-91 years. The Sox have been doing the peaks and valleys and I think they want to get back to what Theo's goals were in the past - to be a playoff team in at least 7 of 10 seasons. Since 2010, the Sox have been a playoff team only four times in eleven years and have finished last four times. Now you all know what I'm obviously not stating or misrepresenting - the championships of course, right? That's why they play. But it's ironic that the Red Sox are trying to accomplish the consistent year in year out success of the Yankees, figuring that the more often you get into the playoffs, the more likely you're going to win a World Series. That is the logical idea, and it certainly makes more sense than trying to capture lightning in a bottle, and I know Sox management can't like seeing ratings fall off as bad as it did this season when you have those valleys that come after peaks or could lead to the next peak if played properly. So it is kind of strange in a way that the Sox are trying to be more like the Yankees who have only 1 championship the past 20 years to the Red Sox 4 championships. So, to me, it's like the Yankees are doing things the right way, but for once, luck really hasn't been on their side, but with the Red Sox, when they do get into the playoffs - if they don't get swept out quickly - they get really dangerous and when they get really hot, they're unstoppable - I mean they're 16-3 in World Series games. You certainly don't build an organization with that blue print in mind - that they'll get to the post-season about 35% of the time anticipate that they'll ride a magic hot streak to glory. You build (or what the Red Sox are trying to do) an organization to build a sustainable winner that can make the post-season 2/3 of the time increasing their probability for a championship - the old saying that if you knock on the door enough times, eventually somebody is going to let you in. The reversal of fortune is kind of striking. The Yankees, who almost always won, are building sustainable winners (although we'll see how thoroughly tested that is in the upcoming seasons as their contracts get more expensive) but are failing to break through in the post-season. Meanwhile, the Red Sox alternate between great and severe mediocrity but when they've been great they've capitalized for 4 championship - after 85 years of none (talk about the law of averages taking over). It's not just the Yankees. I mean, has any organization does more things the right way the past seven years or so than the Dodgers, who have yet to still win a World Series? They're a juggernaut who has added one of the premier players in baseball, and still has a farm system that's producing. I'd hate to think they do everything right and still can't win a championship - that's kind of why I'm rooting for them this year. Especially after getting screwed over by the cheating Astros of 2017. I'd like to think that if you build your organization to field a sustainable winner, that the law of averages will take over and allow you to celebrate at least one championship. I certainly hope so because that's what Chaim Bloom is setting out to do and if he does, I hope it leads to the bottom line that we all want. It's just seeing the Yanks and Dodgers that make me realize how precarious this really all is, something I knew really well prior to 2004, but need to be reminded of as I see others go through the frustrations the Sox had prior to then. I'd take a championship every 4 years or so no matter what the down years are like. I would, too. Who wouldn't? But I don't think ownership thinks that's the way to do it. Can you really "expect" lightning in the bottle to occur as often as it has? I mean if you take a 20 year stretch and one team makes the playoffs 14 times while the other makes it 7 times, which one would you expect to have more championships? That's why Bloom is there. They want the team that's going 14 times, even if it's possible that the team going 7 times, winds up with more flags flying overhead.
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Post by unitspin on Oct 11, 2020 7:36:26 GMT -5
We have had alot of ups and downs in the last 20 years. But it seems like ownership has always brought in the right guys at the right time to get the ultimate goal. If they continue the same process we could be adding another banner and another GM in the next 5 years. I hope not bcs I like bloom but I guess its the nature of the game.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 11, 2020 12:04:39 GMT -5
I'm with Ray. It's one thing to discuss what we, as fans, would be happiest with looking at results after the fact. It's another thing to discuss what teams should be trying to do. Building a team to make the playoffs isn't really different than building a team to win a championship - you build a team that's hopefully in position for you to add the piece or two you need before the deadline.
The gold standard in recent history for this club is probably the '02-'09 Red Sox, right? Over .500 every year and only dipped below 90 wins once. Made the playoffs 6 times in 8 years (and it might've been 7 times using the current playoff system - not sure how the '02 tiebreaker would've worked for the 5th playoff spot). Two World Series wins and two seven-game ALCS losses that easily could've swung the other way. Meanwhile, built up the farm system as well. I think that's the standard every franchise should strive for, and don't buy that the current state of MLB requires bottoming out to build back up if a team has sufficient resources, which a John Henry-owned team always will.
It's not like, say, the 2003 or 2008 teams weren't built to win the World Series. They damn well were.
Hell, you could argue the 2013 team wasn't built to win the World Series and David Ortiz turned into Baseball Jesus for a month and carried them to one. If you're a playoff team, you've got a chance.
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