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Post by julyanmorley on Feb 10, 2021 22:28:39 GMT -5
Benintendi wasn't really worth much. Just for 2021, it's not hard to make the case that you'd take Cordero and $6 million over Benintendi. Cordero is under control for longer, plus you get whatever Mets prospects are thrown in. Good deal.
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Post by kevfc89 on Feb 10, 2021 22:29:13 GMT -5
I'd have to think that the Mets are giving us something else of value. Khalil Lee was a top ten prospect in a loaded Royals system. Mets will have to give up more than just Josh Winckowski. Something... or else I’d rather just go straight for Lee, right? Benny for Lee and something else would be better, so there must be more. I also wonder why not just do Franchy and Lee for Benny and not include the Mets.
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Post by greenmonster on Feb 10, 2021 22:31:04 GMT -5
I'd have to think that the Mets are giving us something else of value. Khalil Lee was a top ten prospect in a loaded Royals system. Mets will have to give up more than just Josh Winckowski. Yeah it was really sneaky of them to dip in and get Lee, they have to be giving up something of a lot more significance Wasn't there a report that the Mets were sending money to KC to apply toward Benny?
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 10, 2021 22:31:08 GMT -5
How does the Mets steal Lee for a throw in from the Matz trade? This really makes no sense. Why couldn't Boston just get Lee instead? I'm beginning to feel Bloom is overrated
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Post by wildsox on Feb 10, 2021 22:31:12 GMT -5
With Cordero and Duran when he’s ready we will be looking at lots of Triples in our future
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Post by incandenza on Feb 10, 2021 22:33:20 GMT -5
Lotta folks not looking very straight at Benintendi's value here, I think. He's projected to be only very slightly better than Cordero. And maybe he has the upside of returning to form, but Cordero plausibly has similar upside in unrealized potential. It's a lateral move for the Red Sox, and if it allows them to sign JBJ it definitely improves the team.
If they end up signing Pillar or something... well, they weren't going to do any better than that anyway I guess. But this was not a great hand Bloom was holding, let's see what the rest of the return is, and then let's check back at the end of the season to see how Benintendi and Cordero have done.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 10, 2021 22:33:33 GMT -5
Something... or else I’d rather just go straight for Lee, right? Benny for Lee and something else would be better, so there must be more. I also wonder why not just do Franchy and Lee for Benny and not include the Mets. Too easy
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Post by kevfc89 on Feb 10, 2021 22:35:24 GMT -5
Whatever I think of the deal, the sentimental part of me is still sad. Jackie just tweeted this with a link to a photo of him, Mookie, and Benny. I hope we can get Jackie signed now, he's still solid and would be a good mentor for when Duran comes up.
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Post by bosox on Feb 10, 2021 22:35:40 GMT -5
How does the Mets steal Lee for a throw in from the Matz trade? This really makes no sense. Why couldn't Boston just get Lee instead? I'm beginning to feel Bloom is overrated Looks like the Mets may be including another PTBNL. Mike Puma is also posting that the Mets are not sending any major league players in the deal. So, it looks like a PTBNL from KC and one from the Mets may be heading this way.
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Post by manfred on Feb 10, 2021 22:36:02 GMT -5
With Cordero and Duran when he’s ready we will be looking at lots of Triples in our future You mean because Duran will hit a lot? Fair. Duran and me will hit just a smidge fewer.
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Post by cdj on Feb 10, 2021 22:36:19 GMT -5
Yes I do, I think they’ll probably be a good chunk better than last season and he has a plan Will we be better because of our OF moves? Or because ERod will be healthy? We couldn’t be worse than last year. But the improvement is time. I think the improvement clearly comes from the pitching staff It’s not like the lineup was some major problem last year though. They still hit reasonably well even with the down years they had from guys like JD and Benny
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Post by manfred on Feb 10, 2021 22:37:29 GMT -5
Will we be better because of our OF moves? Or because ERod will be healthy? We couldn’t be worse than last year. But the improvement is time. I think the improvement clearly comes from the pitching staff It’s not like the lineup was some major problem last year though. They still hit reasonably well even with the down years they had from guys like JD and Benny So... Richards? That was the big off season pitching move. That’s the fire extinguisher for the dumpster fire?
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 10, 2021 22:38:40 GMT -5
How does the Mets steal Lee for a throw in from the Matz trade? This really makes no sense. Why couldn't Boston just get Lee instead? I'm beginning to feel Bloom is overrated Looks like the Mets may be including another PTBNL. Mike Puma is also posting that the Mets are not sending any major league players in the deal. So, it looks like a PTBNL from KC and one from the Mets may be heading this way. Mets should be charged with robbery on this trade. Khalil Lee would be a top prospect here for sure. The guy the Sox got looks like another JAG. Brutal last 12 months. Not only that but the Royals are potentially getting the PTBNL instead of Boston. Haha christ sakes at least get the Mets to throw in Tebow to make this dumpster fire of a trade more entertaining
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Post by kevfc89 on Feb 10, 2021 22:38:43 GMT -5
Lotta folks not looking very straight at Benintendi's value here, I think. He's projected to be only very slightly better than Cordero. And maybe he has the upside of returning to form, but Cordero plausibly has similar upside in unrealized potential. It's a lateral move for the Red Sox, and if it allows them to sign JBJ it definitely improves the team.
If they end up signing Pillar or something... well, they weren't going to do any better than that anyway I guess. But this was not a great hand Bloom was holding, let's see what the rest of the return is, and then let's check back at the end of the season to see how Benintendi and Cordero have done.
Cordero has mashed righties in the minors and to an extent in the majors. I'm not sure I'd bet against a Renfroe/Cordero platoon being more valuable than Benny in LF this year.
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Post by cdj on Feb 10, 2021 22:39:25 GMT -5
I think the improvement clearly comes from the pitching staff It’s not like the lineup was some major problem last year though. They still hit reasonably well even with the down years they had from guys like JD and Benny So... Richards? That was the big off season pitching move. That’s the fire extinguisher for the dumpster fire? Richards and Rodríguez returning with the possibility of Sale later is kind of a significant improvement over starting Kyle Hart and Matt Hall, yes. Plus he acquired near-ready depth like Seabold that I like way more than some options we resorted to last year
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Post by wildsox on Feb 10, 2021 22:41:56 GMT -5
With Cordero and Duran when he’s ready we will be looking at lots of Triples in our future You mean because Duran will hit a lot? Fair. Duran and me will hit just a smidge fewer. You do know Cordero let the minor leagues in triples in ‘16 and ‘17? Or are you just posting garbage because you enjoy it?
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Post by incandenza on Feb 10, 2021 22:42:09 GMT -5
I think the improvement clearly comes from the pitching staff It’s not like the lineup was some major problem last year though. They still hit reasonably well even with the down years they had from guys like JD and Benny So... Richards? That was the big off season pitching move. That’s the fire extinguisher for the dumpster fire? Fangraphs projects them for 87 wins, which is within 2 of every AL team other than the Yankees, and a 50% chance to make the playoffs. It would also represent a bigger improvement than any other AL team from this season. Do you not consider that better than a dumpster fire?
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Post by wcsoxfan on Feb 10, 2021 22:42:38 GMT -5
Looks like the Mets may be including another PTBNL. Mike Puma is also posting that the Mets are not sending any major league players in the deal. So, it looks like a PTBNL from KC and one from the Mets may be heading this way. Mets should be charged with robbery on this trade. Khalil Lee would be a top prospect here for sure. The guy the Sox got looks like another JAG. Brutal last 12 months. Not only that but the Royals are potentially getting the PTBNL instead of Boston. Haha Too early to say for sure if this is true - but the Mets are in a great spot to buy prospects as they deal with a team with strict financial constraints and another team that's up against the luxury tax (assuming another signing for the Red Sox is imminent)
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Post by wcsoxfan on Feb 10, 2021 22:45:18 GMT -5
So... Richards? That was the big off season pitching move. That’s the fire extinguisher for the dumpster fire? Fangraphs projects them for 87 wins, which is within 2 of every AL team other than the Yankees, and a 50% chance to make the playoffs. It would also represent a bigger improvement than any other AL team from this season. Do you not consider that better than a dumpster fire? It really depends on the dumpster fire 149363410.v2.pressablecdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/dbc-dumpsterfire-020-1-scaled.jpg
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Post by bosox on Feb 10, 2021 22:46:27 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Feb 10, 2021 22:47:06 GMT -5
Speier reporting that the Sox are getting three PTBNL.
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Post by swingingbunt on Feb 10, 2021 22:47:55 GMT -5
Hopefully they're better than the PTBNL we got for Osich!
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 10, 2021 22:48:10 GMT -5
I thought because its a salary dump...I mean money involved it had to wait until tomorrow morning to be announced. No?
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Post by Addam603 on Feb 10, 2021 22:48:58 GMT -5
Things are looking up
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Post by vermontsox1 on Feb 10, 2021 22:49:14 GMT -5
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