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Post by greatscottcooper on Jun 2, 2021 18:39:39 GMT -5
Two guys who may be on the market who would fill the largest offensive gaps in our lineup right now would be
C.J. Cron at 1B and Adam Frazier at 2nd. Both put up stats much better than what we have, have a track record of doing so, and don't particularly struggle with splits.
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Post by soxaddict on Jun 8, 2021 19:35:25 GMT -5
IMO, we need to upgrade from Andriese, Workman, Gonzalez and Santana. My targets would be rentals Ian Kennedy, Tony Watson, Brad Miller and a LHH OF such as Joc Pederson or Corey Dickerson.
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Post by jdb on Jun 19, 2021 13:53:34 GMT -5
Scherzer would be a logical target being a pending FA but does anyone know how a trade would impact his deferrals in his deal? I think we go over the tax (Red Sox payroll has us over already) so we should be able to take on a higher salary. I’d like Carlos Santana as well. I might would even lead him off. www.spotrac.com/mlb/washington-nationals/max-scherzer-5166/
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Post by jdb on Jun 28, 2021 10:13:00 GMT -5
About a month away. Still think the biggest needs are lead off and 1B. With Sale coming back I don’t know if we go get another starter and I’m assuming we ease Duran into the back of the lineup when he gets called.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 28, 2021 10:25:27 GMT -5
About a month away. Still think the biggest needs are lead off and 1B. With Sale coming back I don’t know if we go get another starter and I’m assuming we ease Duran into the back of the lineup when he gets called. I would think Chris Cron, Carlos Santana, and Jesus Aguilar could be trade targets. Perhaps there are more I'm not thinking of? A LH bat who can play 1b would strengthen and balance out the lineup. I'd guess Chavis or even Dalbec could be expendable although I think Chavis would be more likely to go than Dalbec. And there are more guys that might not make the 40 that they'd make available. Might not get a top flight target, but might be enough to get an upgrade. I think with Sale and Houck the Sox aren't going to make a move for a starter. And with Brasier as a possibility to come back, I think the Sox will hold tight with the pen, although if they do make a second move it might be for another reliever, but one that's less heralded as Bloom won't and shouldn't overspend for a reliever. It might be one of those stealth type of moves. Not the obvious ones. And yes Duran will wind up in CF batting leadoff eventually this season, so no trade there will happen.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jun 28, 2021 13:46:25 GMT -5
I would love to see Kyle Gibson. Sure he is having a career year at 33 but he isn't in Texas long term plans and he is signed thru next year. Not sure what it would take but some team is going to get him and pitching wins championships. You really want to go for it then getting a guy who has been an ace this year if possible should be examined. It wouldn't be cheap but it would be a lot cheaper than the cost of a guy with the history of being ace. He is already at 4.2 war for the season. Sox need quality depth in the rotation, might as well go big.
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Post by soxaddict on Jun 28, 2021 18:07:09 GMT -5
About a month away. Still think the biggest needs are lead off and 1B. With Sale coming back I don’t know if we go get another starter and I’m assuming we ease Duran into the back of the lineup when he gets called. I would think Chris Cron, Carlos Santana, and Jesus Aguilar could be trade targets. Perhaps there are more I'm not thinking of? A LH bat who can play 1b would strengthen and balance out the lineup. I'd guess Chavis or even Dalbec could be expendable although I think Chavis would be more likely to go than Dalbec. And there are more guys that might not make the 40 that they'd make available. Might not get a top flight target, but might be enough to get an upgrade. I think with Sale and Houck the Sox aren't going to make a move for a starter. And with Brasier as a possibility to come back, I think the Sox will hold tight with the pen, although if they do make a second move it might be for another reliever, but one that's less heralded as Bloom won't and shouldn't overspend for a reliever. It might be one of those stealth type of moves. Not the obvious ones. And yes Duran will wind up in CF batting leadoff eventually this season, so no trade there will happen. I think Asrubal Cabrera is a logical target. Has primarily played 1B this season, but could still play 2B or 3B. He's a switch hitter. Solid defensively and can still hit. I'd still like to see them add another reliever, preferably LH. Ross Detwiler would be a guy I'd be interested in. Both Cabrera and Detwiler could be had for very little IMO, and both would keep us under the Luxury Tax Threshold. IMO, I think management has shown they're fine with going with a carousel of lead-off hitters while waiting on Duran. They're winning, why not? I'm fine with Kiki and Marwin, but Santana and Andriese need to go.
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Post by shagworthy on Jun 28, 2021 19:24:51 GMT -5
I would think Chris Cron, Carlos Santana, and Jesus Aguilar could be trade targets. Perhaps there are more I'm not thinking of? A LH bat who can play 1b would strengthen and balance out the lineup. I'd guess Chavis or even Dalbec could be expendable although I think Chavis would be more likely to go than Dalbec. And there are more guys that might not make the 40 that they'd make available. Might not get a top flight target, but might be enough to get an upgrade. I think with Sale and Houck the Sox aren't going to make a move for a starter. And with Brasier as a possibility to come back, I think the Sox will hold tight with the pen, although if they do make a second move it might be for another reliever, but one that's less heralded as Bloom won't and shouldn't overspend for a reliever. It might be one of those stealth type of moves. Not the obvious ones. And yes Duran will wind up in CF batting leadoff eventually this season, so no trade there will happen. I think Asrubal Cabrera is a logical target. Has primarily played 1B this season, but could still play 2B or 3B. He's a switch hitter. Solid defensively and can still hit. I'd still like to see them add another reliever, preferably LH. Ross Detwiler would be a guy I'd be interested in. Both Cabrera and Detwiler could be had for very little IMO, and both would keep us under the Luxury Tax Threshold. IMO, I think management has shown they're fine with going with a carousel of lead-off hitters while waiting on Duran. They're winning, why not? I'm fine with Kiki and Marwin, but Santana and Andriese need to go. I like the idea of Cabrera, solid vet, performed well in the clutch for the Nats two years ago.
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Post by jdb on Jun 28, 2021 19:53:14 GMT -5
Red Sox payroll on Twitter has us over already. I trust him and he does a great job but I just don’t know if Bloom and company would be over by so little right now. I’m hoping maybe some Ottovino money or something was miscalculated by him. I do think if we’re still playing well and in first we go over.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jun 28, 2021 19:55:36 GMT -5
Now the question is how much are the Sox willing to give up in a season like this. Good thing is they have solid depth in the minors at a few positions to give up someone good. Like 2nd and CF.
Plus a few guys on the rule 5 that could have value to a small market team looking for serviceable players.
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Post by stunzisox on Jun 28, 2021 22:49:30 GMT -5
That being said- JD Martinez Garret Richards Matt Barnes Adam Ottavino Kiké Hernandez Christian Vazquez Nathan Eovaldi (eat money) And maybe...Chris Sale if the Padres or someone gets desperate at the trade deadline. The Sox will have a lot of ammo to unload at the trade deadline. This is where Bloom can acquire the best prospects he's ever got. I believe the 2021 deadline is the perfect opportunity for Bloom to really jumpstart this team into sustainability for the next 5 years. His best opportunity, in fact. It’s nice to look back to only February and realize just how incredible this season has been.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jun 29, 2021 4:34:04 GMT -5
Red Sox payroll on Twitter has us over already. I trust him and he does a great job but I just don’t know if Bloom and company would be over by so little right now. I’m hoping maybe some Ottovino money or something was miscalculated by him. I do think if we’re still playing well and in first we go over. Sox are paying both Brazier and Workman. They'll get under if they stay with that plan
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Post by jdb on Jun 29, 2021 9:06:38 GMT -5
Even if we currently aren’t over we are smack up against it. I think we go over and if Red Sox payroll is correct about the only way to get under is to shed Richards, E Rod type contract and why would a contender do that? I really like the idea of Carlos Santana playing 1B and possibly leading off.
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jun 29, 2021 10:02:07 GMT -5
I think a target that would be realistic, and one where I think the money aspect makes sense as well is Robbie Grossman. Switcher hitter, plays a pretty good LF. Gives you a good AB, power versus lefties, but a better hitter versus righties this year. He can run a bit too. I think he'd be the Steve Pearce (not the WS MVP part) type addition. Makes 5m per, with term for next year. If they could move something (Santana or Marwin), his prorated salary is manageable for this year to stay under. The Tigers probably want Baddoo to play everyday in the latter part of the season, so a desire to move Grossman is likely there as well. I actually think he makes a ton of sense for the Yankees, maybe more sense, but would like his fit here as well.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Jun 29, 2021 13:01:00 GMT -5
It feels like a lot of people want to avoid going over the tax because it'll "start the clock" on when the Red Sox will have to dip under the tax again. I'd only worry if the trade acquisitions are signed to expensive longer term contracts. The Red Sox aren't stuck with a bunch of bad contracts for years to come, they'd have a clear path to resetting as soon as next year if they wanted to.
If the options are: A.) upgrade the roster while taking on salary B.) make trades but pay extra in talent to avoid absorbing money C.) stand pat and hope for the best
I'd hope A is the route they choose. Who knows what the market will look like, and I'm not asking for them to overpay in prospect currency for rentals, but they shouldn't pass on guys who can help just to avoid going over this year's tax. Paying extra in talent in order to get the other team to eat money is what small market teams do. If the Red Sox plan to go nuts this offseason and hand out a few huge FA deals it could change the discussion, but this team has clear holes and deserves additional investments assuming reasonable buying opportunities exist. I do agree with those who think barely going over is a waste though, so they should make it count if they do go over, I'm not sure how many franchises will be willing to absorb real money this deadline.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jun 30, 2021 14:08:57 GMT -5
I think a target that would be realistic, and one where I think the money aspect makes sense as well is Robbie Grossman. Switcher hitter, plays a pretty good LF. Gives you a good AB, power versus lefties, but a better hitter versus righties this year. He can run a bit too. I think he'd be the Steve Pearce (not the WS MVP part) type addition. Makes 5m per, with term for next year. If they could move something (Santana or Marwin), his prorated salary is manageable for this year to stay under. The Tigers probably want Baddoo to play everyday in the latter part of the season, so a desire to move Grossman is likely there as well. I actually think he makes a ton of sense for the Yankees, maybe more sense, but would like his fit here as well. I brought up Grossman early this year but at this point they need to see if Duran can fill that need. Get Duran up and if he can't produce then they need to look in that direction but have to give the rookie a chance first.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jun 30, 2021 14:11:10 GMT -5
It feels like a lot of people want to avoid going over the tax because it'll "start the clock" on when the Red Sox will have to dip under the tax again. I'd only worry if the trade acquisitions are signed to expensive longer term contracts. The Red Sox aren't stuck with a bunch of bad contracts for years to come, they'd have a clear path to resetting as soon as next year if they wanted to. If the options are: A.) upgrade the roster while taking on salary B.) make trades but pay extra in talent to avoid absorbing money C.) stand pat and hope for the best I'd hope A is the route they choose. Who knows what the market will look like, and I'm not asking for them to overpay in prospect currency for rentals, but they shouldn't pass on guys who can help just to avoid going over this year's tax. Paying extra in talent in order to get the other team to eat money is what small market teams do. If the Red Sox plan to go nuts this offseason and hand out a few huge FA deals it could change the discussion, but this team has clear holes and deserves additional investments assuming reasonable buying opportunities exist. I do agree with those who think barely going over is a waste though, so they should make it count if they do go over, I'm not sure how many franchises will be willing to absorb real money this deadline. It's the perfect season to go over for the playoffs, with the CBA expiring who knows what the new rules will be. I can guarantee that the caps will be going up.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jun 30, 2021 14:15:51 GMT -5
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Post by Guidas on Jul 2, 2021 12:09:18 GMT -5
I hope Bloom doesn't forget that even the 2018 team needed a Steve Pierce to get over the top.
And an over the top Steve Pierce at that.
This team still needs a legit lead-off hitter as the pitching gets SO much better in the playoffs. I would prefer a move that has some control, but if we're moving sub top 10 prospects for a rental, that's fine.
I still contend he needs to bring up/audition Franchy and Duran for the offense, and Ort in the pen before making any move. The latter two will involve 40 man moves, but Santana has become expendable, as has Workman.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 2, 2021 15:52:08 GMT -5
Other than downs I don't think those other 3 combined bring back a top 2 reliever none the less a top 2 starter. I wouldn't hate dealing downs though. Yorke seems like he could be a fast riser and I think between Hernandez and Arroyo 2nd base isn't going to be a weakness in the next season and a half. I hope they don't do downs for Kyle Gibson though. I know he's pitching well but still no thanks on a top 50-60 prospect for him.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 2, 2021 23:41:56 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 3, 2021 12:54:07 GMT -5
For me is ERod back? Two good starts in a row after a horrible stretch. Can Richards bounce back or can he not pitch without sunscreen? When is Sale coming back? I'm giving the pitching till the deadline.
Right now I'd focus more on Steve Pierce type guys. They won't cost as much, are rather easy to get and could have just as much of an impact. I also don't see a reason to wait till the deadline either.
Just unreal with injuries, Mata and Ward get TJ, Houck and Seabold have spent more time injured than healthy. It's a good thing we haven't had major injuries to the MLB staff. Even when it looks like you built up very good depth, it goes to crap in no time.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 15, 2021 16:01:48 GMT -5
Other than downs I don't think those other 3 combined bring back a top 2 reliever none the less a top 2 starter. I wouldn't hate dealing downs though. Yorke seems like he could be a fast riser and I think between Hernandez and Arroyo 2nd base isn't going to be a weakness in the next season and a half. I hope they don't do downs for Kyle Gibson though. I know he's pitching well but still no thanks on a top 50-60 prospect for him. Gibson is getting results that are well beyond his ability. No way in hell I'm calling him a #2 starter or trading the assets needed for a #2 starter.
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