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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 24, 2021 16:04:35 GMT -5
On royalsprospects.com there's a commenter named fredman who can't stop gnashing his teeth about how his team gave up 3 prospects for Benintendi (0 for 3 with a K so far today, btw). Not mutually exclusive. The Royals overpaid for Beni... but Franchy wasn’t part of the overpay — unless there is some opportunity cost. Was their some other sucker team who’d have given a more functional return for their package? Could be. That’s why I wonder what could have been had with a direct trade with the Mets. And when are you going to stop wondering about it here like 10 times a day? Good grief, we get it dude.
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 24, 2021 16:09:49 GMT -5
If Verdugo ends up winning a batting title, plays GG level D and Downs turns out to be a 2+ war fixture up the middle, will it be enough to call the trade a win for both sides? I would say so. From a value standpoint the red sox won the trade already without downs playing a game in the mlb. The trade was for one year of mookie him signing after has no bearing on what the trade was. It's was one year of mookie for verdugo and downs cost controlled years. True statement for sure but LA did it with intention and that has been the history of those types of trades, they don't do it without knowing that. I think Bloom did a good job and I like the chances of getting real value for a guy, Mookie, who is a generational player. The thing about Mookie is the whole package and his impact on a team, he was a strong leader from spring training on for the Dodgers, he is just special even in ways that even Trout has not been. But Verdugo seems to be very much the same kind of guy, someone who can beat you in many ways and is a leader. It is hard to do that trade and then end up close to the same number of added wins, which will be in the vicinity of what 35 anyways.
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Post by unitspin on Apr 24, 2021 16:23:05 GMT -5
From a value standpoint the red sox won the trade already without downs playing a game in the mlb. The trade was for one year of mookie him signing after has no bearing on what the trade was. It's was one year of mookie for verdugo and downs cost controlled years. True statement for sure but LA did it with intention and that has been the history of those types of trades, they don't do it without knowing that. I think Bloom did a good job and I like the chances of getting real value for a guy, Mookie, who is a generational player. The thing about Mookie is the whole package and his impact on a team, he was a strong leader from spring training on for the Dodgers, he is just special even in ways that even Trout has not been. But Verdugo seems to be very much the same kind of guy, someone who can beat you in many ways and is a leader. It is hard to do that trade and then end up close to the same number of added wins, which will be in the vicinity of what 35 anyways. Verdugo is a funny player to watch for sure. He wears his heart on his sleeve, this is the perfect spot for a player like him. I'll always miss mookie but thats the way it goes.
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Post by manfred on Apr 24, 2021 16:31:34 GMT -5
Not mutually exclusive. The Royals overpaid for Beni... but Franchy wasn’t part of the overpay — unless there is some opportunity cost. Was their some other sucker team who’d have given a more functional return for their package? Could be. That’s why I wonder what could have been had with a direct trade with the Mets. And when are you going to stop wondering about it here like 10 times a day? Good grief, we get it dude. Repetitive behavior is a symptom of shock. Add: come to think of it... I meant KC-NY... I think I’ve asked that like, once before, maybe? My point was if *Lee* was the big part, and Lee went to NY, could KC have just sent the whole kit and caboodle to NY for something more than Beni. I hardly see that as an offensive question.
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Post by art on Apr 24, 2021 20:15:31 GMT -5
Today I learned that Franchy Cordero still has 2 options left. Thanks for the info. Yeah, 23 strikeouts in 45 AB seems like a good time to send him to Wooooooster. If you're not going to use an option now, when are you ever going to use one? Rather than improving he seems to be regressing.
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Post by worldbfree on Apr 24, 2021 20:57:51 GMT -5
I hope Cora uses this game as a teaching moment. Good start to the season doesn’t mean we can take games off. The commitment to Defense and grinding out at bats has been terrible today They are not a good defensive team. You think Bogaerts and Devers will suddenly become good defenders with a greater commitment? Those two haven’t been good for years on defense. The Sox have major weaknesses. People just chose to ignore some of them based on a winning streak. I also don’t think they took a game off. No more so than the Yankees take games off when they don’t hit. You tend to look bad when the offense struggles.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Apr 24, 2021 22:34:24 GMT -5
So your telling me Benny will have the better career then cordero? Masslive - “ The 26-year-old (Benintendi) is 14-for-65 (.215) with a .292 on-base percentage, .308 slugging percentage, .599 OPS, one home run, three doubles, five RBIs and 10 runs in 18 games for the Royals (after his first at-bat Saturday). He has 18 strikeouts and seven walks.” Beni has not been good, but is still better than Cordero. Cordero has tools, but no history of results, and it is hard to see that there ever will be. I think the trade accomplished saving $3.8 million, added Winckowski, and will help restock the farm system with three additional prospects. Cordero was a real buy low risk, but he is inexpensive and can be replaced with no residual cost like Price $16 million for 3 years, or Sandoval...... Masslive - “ Cordero has struggled even more than Benintendi. The 26-year-old is 9-for-42 (.214) with a .283 on-base percentage, .262 slugging percentage, .544 OPS, two doubles, five RBIs and four runs in 17 games. He had 20 strikeouts and just four walks in his 42 at-bats entering Saturday.”
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Post by jimoh on Apr 25, 2021 9:05:14 GMT -5
And when are you going to stop wondering about it here like 10 times a day? Good grief, we get it dude. Repetitive behavior is a symptom of shock. [...] That's one view. In an online discussion group, it can also be seen as an extreme character flaw, and a constant irritant.
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Post by manfred on Apr 25, 2021 9:12:50 GMT -5
Repetitive behavior is a symptom of shock. [...] That's one view. In an online discussion group, it can also be seen as an extreme character flaw, and a constant irritant. Twice. I wondered about why/if the Royals could have traded straight with the Mets twice. Technically repetitive. Perhaps I should wonder why Kiké is leading off. I haven’t seen that discussion. Why isn’t Whitlock pitching more? Has anyone asked?
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Post by Addam603 on Apr 25, 2021 9:49:23 GMT -5
On to relevant baseball topics, I wonder how the game today will go weather-wise. It’s been rainy pretty consistently all morning and will continue to do so until 4 or 5 when it clears up. The only other time the two teams play is mid-September for three games in Seattle. There is an off day between the last game of the September Seattle series for the Sox to come home to face Baltimore, but I wouldn’t want to give up that travel day. Depending on how dry they’ve been able to keep the infield, I’d at least give it a shot at waiting out the rain and getting the game in. With the off day tomorrow and a short trip to New York for the Sox, playing an afternoon game later wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Apr 25, 2021 10:22:38 GMT -5
Twice. I wondered about why/if the Royals could have traded straight with the Mets twice. Technically repetitive. Perhaps I should wonder why Kiké is leading off. I havenât seen that discussion. Why isnât Whitlock pitching more? Has anyone asked? Mets had no MLB ready player they wanted Kiké, not a good leadoff man. But he's the default option to prevent others from having to do it.
Whitlock is still a Tommy John patient.
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Post by manfred on Apr 25, 2021 10:24:44 GMT -5
Twice. I wondered about why/if the Royals could have traded straight with the Mets twice. Technically repetitive. Perhaps I should wonder why Kiké is leading off. I havenât seen that discussion. Why isnât Whitlock pitching more? Has anyone asked? Mets had no MLB ready player they wanted Kiké, not a good leadoff man. But he's the default option to prevent others from having to do it.
Whitlock is still a Tommy John patient.
I was kidding about second two questions. They have been asked, answered, asked, answered, asked...
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Apr 25, 2021 10:45:05 GMT -5
I await the discussion of what to do with 3 third basemen. Xander, Dalbec, Devers
No, they're all too young to be full-time DH
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Post by kjkramer on Apr 25, 2021 11:15:24 GMT -5
Hopefully the Sox actually leave the clubhouse in put in real effort today if the game is played. They haven't played with a lot of fire since the winning streak stopped. Time to get it back
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Post by incandenza on Apr 25, 2021 11:34:14 GMT -5
It is completely insane to say that they aren't putting in "real effort."
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Post by jdog2020 on Apr 25, 2021 11:36:53 GMT -5
I was just outside for a bit. I think this game gets in. There could be a delay or two..
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Post by cdj on Apr 25, 2021 11:43:18 GMT -5
Mariners 3 Sox 1
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Post by kevfc89 on Apr 25, 2021 12:06:32 GMT -5
Verdugo scratched from the lineup
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Apr 25, 2021 12:14:00 GMT -5
Not only are we struggling in walks allowed, but aren't we high on the list of HBP's? Perez has 4 all by himself. IMO, HBP should be added into WHIP, because the pitcher is putting that batter on base. Perez has almost double WHIP + HBP as innings!😩
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Post by blizzards39 on Apr 25, 2021 12:16:06 GMT -5
Verdugo scratched from the lineup Yahoo is saying DtoD with hamstring???
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Post by fanofredsox on Apr 25, 2021 12:22:11 GMT -5
J.D. playing CF? Looks like it. Back to back ground balls between Devers & Bogaerts for doubles
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Post by shagworthy on Apr 25, 2021 12:25:55 GMT -5
WTF is going on? A: WHY IS JD IN THE FIELD? B: WHY IS HE PLAYING IN CF?
Talk about your worst defensive lineup possible. Both of those hits should have been singles, hell, Christopher Reeve could have gotten to both of those balls faster with his air powered wheel chair.
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Post by manfred on Apr 25, 2021 12:27:23 GMT -5
I am blacked out... but mlb gameday say Kiké is in CF. Is that wrong?
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Post by shagworthy on Apr 25, 2021 12:29:30 GMT -5
I am blacked out... but mlb gameday say Kiké is in CF. Is that wrong? No, it's not, but JD was basically positioned on both of those hits closer to CF than left, and had to "run" to his right. I put run in quotation marks because it was more of a lumber, or amble, or stroll.
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Post by fanofredsox on Apr 25, 2021 12:30:20 GMT -5
I am blacked out... but mlb gameday say Kiké is in CF. Is that wrong? L to R; JD, Kiki, Renfroe
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