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Post by pasadenasox on May 31, 2021 17:29:00 GMT -5
WTH is this leave giant holes in the infield defensive alignment about?
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Post by soxfaninnj on May 31, 2021 17:29:06 GMT -5
Wait why are they taking brewer out of the game?
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Post by pasadenasox on May 31, 2021 17:33:37 GMT -5
Wait why are they taking brewer out of the game? /Gotta save him for the rest of the series?/
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Post by kjkramer on May 31, 2021 17:35:51 GMT -5
💥💥💥💥💥💥
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Post by incandenza on May 31, 2021 17:38:12 GMT -5
This pitching performance is rough to watch... blegh. It's more the managing performance that's getting to me. You bring in Brewer if you're waving the white flag, but why would you do that down only 4 runs in the fifth inning? There are 8 other guys in the bullpen...
This score is going to make it look like they never had a chance, but it's only because Cora didn't make an effort to win the game.
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Post by grandsalami on May 31, 2021 17:40:20 GMT -5
This pitching performance is rough to watch... blegh. It's more the managing performance that's getting to me. You bring in Brewer if you're waving the white flag, but why would you do that down only 4 runs in the fifth inning? There are 8 other guys in the bullpen...
This score is going to make it look like they never had a chance, but it's only because Cora didn't make an effort to win the game.
Disagree. We have 17 games in 17 days. The fact is that erod could not even go 5
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Post by pasadenasox on May 31, 2021 17:43:29 GMT -5
Santana doing his best Franchy impression?
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on May 31, 2021 17:45:02 GMT -5
Brewer will clear waivers, officially. Outright. Next.
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Post by incandenza on May 31, 2021 17:55:29 GMT -5
It's more the managing performance that's getting to me. You bring in Brewer if you're waving the white flag, but why would you do that down only 4 runs in the fifth inning? There are 8 other guys in the bullpen...
This score is going to make it look like they never had a chance, but it's only because Cora didn't make an effort to win the game.
Disagree. We have 17 games in 17 days. The fact is that erod could not even go 5 Bring in a real pitcher with men on base in the fifth and 2 outs. Give the offense a couple of innings to nick away at the lead. If they're well behind in the seventh then you can bring Brewer in to save the rest of the bullpen.
As it is they're using several guys anyway because Brewer could only get 3 outs (to go along with his 4 runs).
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Post by unitspin on May 31, 2021 18:09:37 GMT -5
Brewer will clear waivers, officially. Outright. Next. Maybe poyner or workman will get a look. It would be nice to have another lefty.
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Post by incandenza on May 31, 2021 18:32:10 GMT -5
I like each of the Red Sox announcers individually, but collectively they're kind of less than the sum of their parts because not a one of them is capable of making really low-hanging-fruit-type analytic points, like "Eduardo Rodriguez has an ERA two runs above his xERA, FIP, and xFIP, a sure sign that this is mostly bad luck." Instead Dave O'Brien just dumps on the poor guy inning after inning without anyone there to make the obvious point.
Anyway, here's how I choose to look at this game: the Red Sox are 7-3 in their last 10 and the Yankees have lost 6 of 7.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on May 31, 2021 18:44:57 GMT -5
What about the other one? Four-game series. The game is E-Rod which has been almost a sure loss lately😞
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on May 31, 2021 18:47:28 GMT -5
I suspect E-Rod is going on the DL after this game. I hope so.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 31, 2021 18:47:56 GMT -5
Brewer is still horrendous, I see. Just checked the box score. Ugh. Brice squared!
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on May 31, 2021 18:54:09 GMT -5
COVID-19 infection has both intermediate and long-term consequences ... Role of Cardiac MRI in COVID-19 Myocarditis ... lingering cardiopulmonary and neurologic symptoms, namely chronic fatigue Do not extend E-Rod unless he has a decent year! It would be like paying Sale $45 million over 1 1/2 years of TJ recovery. I have always liked E-Rod, but that doesn’t mean the RS should extend him!
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on May 31, 2021 19:39:46 GMT -5
Name. Years. Age. W - L. Era. G. GS. IP. Tyler Chatwood 2011 - 2021 21-31 51 59 4.37 216 143 867.0 Nathan Eovaldi 2011 - 2021 21-31 56 58 4.25 199 180 1026.2 Lifetime FIP for Chatwood: 4.61 Lifetime FIP for Eovaldi: 3.87 That is a comparison of the quality of their pitching. Eovaldi is better at limiting walks and HRs and getting Ks in comparison to Chatwood and it's not particularly close. Eovaldi - 60 2/3 IN - and only 1 HR allowed !!!
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Post by congusgambler33 on May 31, 2021 20:35:37 GMT -5
Observations from this game from me is Colten brewer in his last 3 outings in Worcester gave up a run in each outing so why would you expect him to hold the fort? It is a given he will fail. time to cut ties with him. I was not as upset as most about ERod's outing. He was bitten again by a screwy homerun just like Miller's which was another decent outing by him. He has been snakebit with this stuff lately. Except for the 3 singles, he pitched out of it pretty well. It looks glaring in the box score, but does not tell the true story. too bad they didn't bring Ort up, but I know all about the 40 man deal and this is what you get because of it. Brewer has not got the juice anymore (if we say he ever did).
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Post by cdj on May 31, 2021 20:50:35 GMT -5
Well at least Renfroe is apparently a sneaky stud
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on May 31, 2021 21:28:40 GMT -5
Santana doing his best Franchy impression? Marwin with the best impression. And Brennan, not Brewer. If not him, whom? If not now, when? I can't believe Montreal won.
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Post by congusgambler33 on May 31, 2021 21:46:41 GMT -5
One thing that has not been pointed out is that Bogey has been in aslump and it has cost them a lot because he has been up with several runners on base and has failed in each instance. Slumps are going to happen, but you have to adjust a little to remedy the slumping player causing this problem. This is 5 games now and it may be time to take some pressure off him.
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Post by patford on Jun 1, 2021 6:32:40 GMT -5
Rodriguez hasn't looked good all year. He may not be hurt though. More likely he hasn't fully recovered from Covid. We have heard about lingering effects and he apparently had a pretty bad infection. So what do the Sox do? If he's telling them he feels fine do they just keep running him out there and hope he turns the corner? The thing is he seems to be getting worse every game.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 1, 2021 9:05:59 GMT -5
One thing that has not been pointed out is that Bogey has been in aslump and it has cost them a lot because he has been up with several runners on base and has failed in each instance. Slumps are going to happen, but you have to adjust a little to remedy the slumping player causing this problem. This is 5 games now and it may be time to take some pressure off him. and this is going to happen to every hitter on the team during 162 games, and when you only have 3 to 4 good hitters and everyone else is close to replacement level or below, there is no one in the lineup to pick them up. This is one way losing streaks can occur, especially if none of the other 2 to 3 are on a hot streak
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Post by incandenza on Jun 1, 2021 9:32:12 GMT -5
One thing that has not been pointed out is that Bogey has been in aslump and it has cost them a lot because he has been up with several runners on base and has failed in each instance. Slumps are going to happen, but you have to adjust a little to remedy the slumping player causing this problem. This is 5 games now and it may be time to take some pressure off him. and this is going to happen to every hitter on the team during 162 games, and when you only have 3 to 4 good hitters and everyone else is close to replacement level or below, there is no one in the lineup to pick them up. This is one way losing streaks can occur, especially if none of the other 2 to 3 are on a hot streak You might want to update your sense of where this roster is at, now that Renfroe is hitting and Cordero is in Worcester. Here are the wRC+'s of the guys outside of the top 4 who you're deescribing as "close to replacement level or below":
Santana 115 Renfroe 104 Arroyo 96 Plawecki 93
Kiké 89 Vazquez 80 Dalbec 76 Marwin 61
Santana is still in SSS territory, and I'm actually a little worried that this is basically what we can expect from Vazquez with the deader ball. Nonetheless, the only real black holes here are Dalbec and Marwin. And they've both been getting fewer PAs lately.
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Post by foreverred9 on Jun 1, 2021 11:31:08 GMT -5
Add in Renfroe's defense and he's the 5th highest on the team in bWAR, 8th highest in fWAR.
Ideally we'd have the Santana/Renfroe/Hernandez cohort sustain league average and then we add a slightly above league average bat at the deadline to slot between the big 4 and them (perhaps a 1B to spell Dalbec). I'd feel pretty good about that lineup heading into October, not great but we can expect every year to be the 2018 Sox.
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Post by shagworthy on Jun 1, 2021 16:12:19 GMT -5
Defense aside I can't abide by a lineup that has both Dalbec and Marwin in it for much longer. If one of them has to play, I think the nod has to go to Marwin for the time being and Dalbec either should only face lefties(which he's faired much better against) or he should be sent down to work under less scrutiny (a-la the Franchy-express). I still don't like Kiké in the leadoff spot and no amount of casual statistics are going to sway me that he belongs there. But all in all I like what they've done this year, I certainly didn't peg them for being in the conversation of divisional leaders so my dislike of the lineup structure is tempered with the results.
I really wonder if now isn't a good time to phantom IL Eddie so he can build arm strength, his last few outings were brutal, like the opponent knew what was coming EVERY single time. I think the team can do just as well right now with a Whitlock/Andreise pen game in Eddie's spot until he's pitching with more confidence/stuff.
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