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6/4-6/6 Red Sox @ Yankees Series Thread
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Post by Guidas on Jun 5, 2021 21:31:12 GMT -5
GREAT WIN!
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jun 5, 2021 21:31:13 GMT -5
Workman is not it note to Cora: theres a middle ground between pulling a struggling guy with 2 outs in the 9th up big and putting in your closer yet again. Not in this era of the statistic. It's a relatively cheap save opportunity -- only one out to get.
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Post by manfred on Jun 5, 2021 21:32:41 GMT -5
Whitlock’s first career win. Fitting.
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Post by patford on Jun 5, 2021 21:36:41 GMT -5
If that doesn't light a fire under Dalbec then nothing will.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Jun 5, 2021 21:36:41 GMT -5
For all those people saying the Red Sox were a fourth place team, guess who is in fourth place???
The mfy!!!
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 5, 2021 21:41:22 GMT -5
Haha Whitlock coming in for 1.2 scoreless then the Yankees bullpen getting hit. Gotta love it.
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Post by nuttyredsox on Jun 5, 2021 21:44:30 GMT -5
Where are all the experts that call this team a crap shot They better Shoot The F*** up...they are now questioning Chaim in relation to the trades and adding talent to the minors... What a bunch of losers that are couch potatoes and are warriors of the key board. Again if you are so smart, why aren't you managing teams
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 5, 2021 21:49:15 GMT -5
So we sit here with 35 wins, .603. Only Tampa, San Diego and San Fran are better, and have the same record as the ChiSox. +51 run differential is 7th best in all of baseball. If we can heat up at home...the joy will continue. Loving this season so far!
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 5, 2021 21:53:45 GMT -5
Where are all the experts that call this team a crap shot They better Shoot The F*** up...they are now questioning Chaim in relation to the trades and adding talent to the minors... What a bunch of losers that are couch potatoes and are warriors of the key board. Again if you are so smart, why aren't you managing teams Easy now... they all know who they are. There were varying opinions, there always are. I do agree that Bloom deserves credit for building out the roster even with the constraints he was under.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jun 5, 2021 22:14:49 GMT -5
An enjoyable hobby for anyone looking to add pleasure and meaning to their life: Listening to NY sports talk radio the day after a RS thrashing of the MFY. I'll have the FAN on tomorrow to listen to all the whining.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 5, 2021 22:21:06 GMT -5
A cheap single gets it done, lol at that swing by vaz Add, I’ll take a cheap double let’s go! We'd had such buzzard luck all game long that when CV knocked in the insurance run with (looking it up now!) a 65.0 mph GB double with an .050 xBA, I literally could not stop laughing out loud for what had to be 30 seconds. The luck is not supposed to even off during the game.
And looking at the Statcast feed, we had a lot of luck in the 6th ... five straight hits, only 1 of them hard hit (Devers) and only one with an xBA of over .500 (Marwin, .560, but an 85.1 EV). But having E-Rod give up a 2-out single with a 68.1 RV, and then saying to myself "the way his luck has been running, now he make a mistake and gives up a homer" stuck in my mind rather more.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jun 5, 2021 22:36:37 GMT -5
For all those people saying the Red Sox were a fourth place team, guess who is in fourth place??? The mfy!!! Last year the Red Sox had played .500 baseball (20-20) against teams not named Yankees and Rays. They were 4-16 against the Rays and MFY. It is fitting that the Red Sox now are 5-0 against their two biggest rivals, and yes, that means they have already won more games against those 2 division rivals than they did all last year (and they still have 33 games combined left to play against them). 33/104 is almost a third of the Red Sox remaining games are against Tampa and the MFY.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 5, 2021 22:40:27 GMT -5
If anyone needs another reason to not like the Fox broadcasts... no replays available on MLB.com. Thankfully we have RedSoxStats. There are now -- six clips. I don't know what's going in with Verducci as a color guy, though. C'mon, dude, once in a while say something really obvious that everyone already knows. Instead we're subjected to a relentless barrage of informative information and insights. Simply nor professional.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 6, 2021 0:28:28 GMT -5
Where are all the experts that call this team a crap shot They better Shoot The F*** up...they are now questioning Chaim in relation to the trades and adding talent to the minors... What a bunch of losers that are couch potatoes and are warriors of the key board. Again if you are so smart, why aren't you managing teams Chill out guy. No pennants were won tonight. Questioning moves GMs make doesn't make one all the nonsense you spout. It's still ok to express opinions in this country whether you agree or disagree with moves GMs make. They're not all going to bat 1.000 on them. If one cannot express an opinion whether they agree or disagree with a GM, then we might as well have a Red Sox shrine board rather than a discussion board. For the record I like the job Bloom is doing. Do I agree with all of his moves? No, but so what. In some cases my opinions will be validated and in many others I'll be wrong, and sometimes I'll agree with Bloom's move and it will still turn out wrong. So what? And yes, I don't think it's a stretch to say that the Sox were kind of a crapshoot with a wide range of outcomes that could occur this season and for the most part, most of the scenarios have come out positive. Some years they do and some years they don't. I'm just enjoying that they are thus far for the most part.
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Post by cdj on Jun 6, 2021 0:31:03 GMT -5
completing a sweep against that sack of crap German would be satisfying
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 6, 2021 0:34:56 GMT -5
Don't look now but Renfroe is having a decent season.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 6, 2021 0:35:15 GMT -5
Great game tonight. Loved the clutch hitting in the 8th inning with 2 outs. Hernandez chose the right time to finally get a hit. Vazquez placed his perfectly, and Dalbec finally connected and boy did that one go.
What was really sweet, as pointed out earlier, was that the win went to Garrett Whitlock. How perfect was that? I think the consensus on this board the day Bloom grabbed him in the Rule 5 draft was that the Sox stole the Yankees blind there, and that certainly seems to be the case.
Ottavino - still makes me nervous with too many walks at times - but I have to give him his props here. He has been nails lately. I think I read that his cutter was scrapped and that has helped him.
E-Rod pitched well, just gave up that 2 run HR to Torres.
I was disappointed with Brandon Workman walking to sub-.200 hitters and making Barnes come into the game when he should have had the day off.
Other than that, I have to say, this is as tame as I've seen the Yankees look since about 2013. They have no left handed hitting and that lineup has been pretty soft. Torres, Urshela, and LeMaheiux have underperformed and the rest of the lineup is made up of sub-.200 hitters. And the pen isn't as scary either, other than Chapman's virtual perfection this year.
The Yankees are still a measuring stick but thus far they don't look better than the Sox, which is nice to see. They will get hot again, but they are definitely vulnerable.
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Post by orion09 on Jun 6, 2021 0:51:57 GMT -5
So what’s the deal with Renfroe? We signed him to a 1Y deal, but he’s still controllable for another two years, right?
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Post by julyanmorley on Jun 6, 2021 1:33:31 GMT -5
So what’s the deal with Renfroe? We signed him to a 1Y deal, but he’s still controllable for another two years, right? Yes, he has two arbitration years left before free agency.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 6, 2021 7:03:28 GMT -5
Where are all the experts that call this team a crap shot They better Shoot The F*** up...they are now questioning Chaim in relation to the trades and adding talent to the minors... What a bunch of losers that are couch potatoes and are warriors of the key board. Again if you are so smart, why aren't you managing teams Chill out guy. No pennants were won tonight. Questioning moves GMs make doesn't make one all the nonsense you spout. It's still ok to express opinions in this country whether you agree or disagree with moves GMs make. They're not all going to bat 1.000 on them. If one cannot express an opinion whether they agree or disagree with a GM, then we might as well have a Red Sox shrine board rather than a discussion board. For the record I like the job Bloom is doing. Do I agree with all of his moves? No, but so what. In some cases my opinions will be validated and in many others I'll be wrong, and sometimes I'll agree with Bloom's move and it will still turn out wrong. So what? And yes, I don't think it's a stretch to say that the Sox were kind of a crapshoot with a wide range of outcomes that could occur this season and for the most part, most of the scenarios have come out positive. Some years they do and some years they don't. I'm just enjoying that they are thus far for the most part. Exactly. They still have 16 games left against the Rays, who have reinforcements stacked up like boxcars in Durham, and 13 of those games are after the All Star break. 17 with NYY and Toronto is still out there. I mean, really.
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Post by patford on Jun 6, 2021 7:11:47 GMT -5
Someone explain to me how the Rays have scored more runs that the Red Sox when the Rays as a team are batting .228 and have 72 HR as compared to the Red Sox team average of .258 and an equal number of HR. The Rays do have a rather astronomical number of BB 231, which is almost identical to the Yankees 230. Such a shame the Red Sox don't have those professional hitters the Rays and Yankees managers and media talk about constantly. It's almost as if the chatter influences the way balls and strikes are called. Meanwhile the Red Sox have 153 BB. Should Cora start telling the team to just go up to the plate and not swing at anything until the pitcher is behind in the count and then have public meltdowns about "my guys" every time an umpire isn't making him 100% happy with the way balls and strikes are being called?
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Post by Canseco on Jun 6, 2021 8:58:24 GMT -5
Someone explain to me how the Rays have scored more runs that the Red Sox when the Rays as a team are batting .228 and have 72 HR as compared to the Red Sox team average of .258 and an equal number of HR. The Rays do have a rather astronomical number of BB 231, which is almost identical to the Yankees 230. Such a shame the Red Sox don't have those professional hitters the Rays and Yankees managers and media talk about constantly. It's almost as if the chatter influences the way balls and strikes are called. Meanwhile the Red Sox have 153 BB. Should Cora start telling the team to just go up to the plate and not swing at anything until the pitcher is behind in the count and then have public meltdowns about "my guys" every time an umpire isn't making him 100% happy with the way balls and strikes are being called? You answered part of your question by referencing Tampa’s walk rate, but they also make things happen on the base paths. It’s why I loved the Mookie/Jackie/Beni crew so much. They could skoot, and it wasn’t really about stealing bags. 1st to 3rd. Stretching borderline singles into doubles. It was awesome, and we need to get more athletic in a couple of spots to approach it again.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jun 6, 2021 12:22:32 GMT -5
Someone explain to me how the Rays have scored more runs that the Red Sox when the Rays as a team are batting .228 and have 72 HR as compared to the Red Sox team average of .258 and an equal number of HR. The Rays do have a rather astronomical number of BB 231, which is almost identical to the Yankees 230. Such a shame the Red Sox don't have those professional hitters the Rays and Yankees managers and media talk about constantly. It's almost as if the chatter influences the way balls and strikes are called. Meanwhile the Red Sox have 153 BB. Should Cora start telling the team to just go up to the plate and not swing at anything until the pitcher is behind in the count and then have public meltdowns about "my guys" every time an umpire isn't making him 100% happy with the way balls and strikes are being called? You answered part of your question by referencing Tampa’s walk rate, but they also make things happen on the base paths. It’s why I loved the Mookie/Jackie/Beni crew so much. They could skoot, and it wasn’t really about stealing bags. 1st to 3rd. Stretching borderline singles into doubles. It was awesome, and we need to get more athletic in a couple of spots to approach it again. Duran will be here soon. This was always going to be a “stop gap/bridge” year for the Red Sox! Bloom filled the holes as best he could while staying under the CBT. He will keep the guys who worked out (Renfroe, Perez, Whitlock, Richards,...), and he will dump the ones that did not. Speed and higher OBP guys will cost a little more when Bloom has a bigger budget to work with.... What bugged me this winter were the complainers that want Springs, Bauer, and the “we should have spend $420 million and kept Mookie” (mostly on other site that i got sick of and do not visit anymore). Bloom and Co. have a plan and it has obviously worked better than expected so far. I and most of the people on this site are willing to give him the chance to let his plan work without second guessing every decision he makes....thankfully.
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Post by reasonabledoubt on Jun 6, 2021 13:36:00 GMT -5
Things are going very well for this team. But this is still a bridge year, right? My gut tells me that we don't really have a real legitimate chance for October glory while still keeping the budget under the threshold. This brings Bloom to a very dicey set of decisions as we near the 7/30 trade deadline. As things stand now there are some potentially very valuable pieces (especially Barnes, the way he is going; could they get a Chapman-like return?) that could be dealt with an eye to accelerate the re-build. But the Sox could very well be still in contention for the division. And trading big pieces away could devastate clubhouse morale, the fan base, and impact opt-out decisions from key players that are still here. But does Bloom risk losing him nothing in free agency? Maybe Sale comes back as Barnes replacement as the closer? Lots of interesting questions could emerge.
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Post by manfred on Jun 6, 2021 13:48:54 GMT -5
You answered part of your question by referencing Tampa’s walk rate, but they also make things happen on the base paths. It’s why I loved the Mookie/Jackie/Beni crew so much. They could skoot, and it wasn’t really about stealing bags. 1st to 3rd. Stretching borderline singles into doubles. It was awesome, and we need to get more athletic in a couple of spots to approach it again. Duran will be here soon. This was always going to be a “stop gap/bridge” year for the Red Sox! Bloom filled the holes as best he could while staying under the CBT. He will keep the guys who worked out (Renfroe, Perez, Whitlock, Richards,...), and he will dump the ones that did not. Speed and higher OBP guys will cost a little more when Bloom has a bigger budget to work with.... What bugged me this winter were the complainers that want Springs, Bauer, and the “we should have spend $420 million and kept Mookie” (mostly on other site that i got sick of and do not visit anymore). Bloom and Co. have a plan and it has obviously worked better than expected so far. I and most of the people on this site are willing to give him the chance to let his plan work without second guessing every decision he makes....thankfully. I honestly don’t remember anyone saying they should get Springer or Bauer.
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