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6/4-6/6 Red Sox @ Yankees Series Thread
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Post by orion09 on Jun 6, 2021 13:59:02 GMT -5
If Barnes keeps pitching like this, do we give him a QO?
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jun 6, 2021 14:01:55 GMT -5
If Barnes keeps pitching like this, do we give him a QO? If you haven’t traded or extended him I’d say hell to the yeah.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 6, 2021 14:18:53 GMT -5
Duran will be here soon. This was always going to be a “stop gap/bridge” year for the Red Sox! Bloom filled the holes as best he could while staying under the CBT. He will keep the guys who worked out (Renfroe, Perez, Whitlock, Richards,...), and he will dump the ones that did not. Speed and higher OBP guys will cost a little more when Bloom has a bigger budget to work with.... What bugged me this winter were the complainers that want Springs, Bauer, and the “we should have spend $420 million and kept Mookie” (mostly on other site that i got sick of and do not visit anymore). Bloom and Co. have a plan and it has obviously worked better than expected so far. I and most of the people on this site are willing to give him the chance to let his plan work without second guessing every decision he makes....thankfully. I honestly don’t remember anyone saying they should get Springer or Bauer. I wanted Springer, not Bauer. I don’t know the nature of his injury but I think it was random. To clarify: there are basically two kinds of sports injuries:1) Inevitable based wear or pre-existing damage/imbalance. Think pitchers’ blowing UCLs. With many of them. they’ve never done the preventive work, or, if they have, their motion is still such that it’s torque/strain on the UCL eventually causes it to snap. Knees are similar, especially for catchers as they just wear down. Soft tissue like obliques etc. can go this way too if the athlete hasn’t done the maintenance work or is doing strengthening exercises (or using PEDs) that cause an imbalance. 2) Random i juries based on situations. This is like the awkward slide, dive for a ball where athlete just lands wrong, or, like Swihart, running into a wall or some other impediment. All this is to say, the Springer injury, or JD on Friday, Swihart, or, say Ellsbury and Beltre colliding, etc. happened because of a particular situation in a particular moment and likely would not have happen if the player was on another team or the ball had covered a different path or whatever. So to say, for instance, “I’m glad we didn’t sign Position Player X because he’s injured!” can be a hollow statement if player X strained a hammy on a wet field that caught his spike at that moment, but spot on if it’s “I wish they didn’t resign Pitcher Y because his arm was inevitably going to snap based on his past injuries/wear no matter who signed him.” But yes, I would’ve signed Springer this winter, kept Beni and passed on Kiké as anything but a utility guy.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jun 6, 2021 15:35:43 GMT -5
If Barnes keeps pitching like this, do we give him a QO? Yes, I would give him a QO, if he has not agreed to an extension.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 6, 2021 15:37:05 GMT -5
Someone explain to me how the Rays have scored more runs that the Red Sox when the Rays as a team are batting .228 and have 72 HR as compared to the Red Sox team average of .258 and an equal number of HR. The Rays do have a rather astronomical number of BB 231, which is almost identical to the Yankees 230. Such a shame the Red Sox don't have those professional hitters the Rays and Yankees managers and media talk about constantly. It's almost as if the chatter influences the way balls and strikes are called. Meanwhile the Red Sox have 153 BB. Should Cora start telling the team to just go up to the plate and not swing at anything until the pitcher is behind in the count and then have public meltdowns about "my guys" every time an umpire isn't making him 100% happy with the way balls and strikes are being called? You answered part of your question by referencing Tampa’s walk rate, but they also make things happen on the base paths. It’s why I loved the Mookie/Jackie/Beni crew so much. They could skoot, and it wasn’t really about stealing bags. 1st to 3rd. Stretching borderline singles into doubles. It was awesome, and we need to get more athletic in a couple of spots to approach it again. It always, what, amuses? dismays? me that someone will assert an explanation like this without checking to see if it's true. But this is completely wrong. I mean, wronger than you just imagined after reading the preceding sentence. Have a new extreme wrongness in your head? Still wronger.
FanGraphs has the Sox as the 5th best baserunning club in MLB (+3.1 runs) and the Rays as 24th (-2.6).
And the 2018 Red Sox were 28th in MLB. They were 16th in 2017 and 23rd in 2019. (They were 19th last year, so this year is a huge change.)
The Sox are one of 2 teams in MLB to have had no one thrown out at, or caught off, 3B. They're tied for second worst at outs at home but tied for 8th best at outs elsewhere. They're a bit below average at raw advancement percentages (including to home) ... FanGraphs' UBR (Ultimate BaseRunning) includes advancing on WP / PB, on outs other than GB to the right side, on throws to bases by a trailing runner, and reaching 2B on a potential force at 2B. So the Sox are apparently rocking those categories.
The actual reason the Rays have outscored us is that they've played 2 more games. We're 4th in MLB with 4.97 R/G, and they're 7th at 4.92. We're 7th at wRC+ and the Rays are 10th. The Sox are 7th in MLB at converting runs to wins (inning / score clutch) and the Rays are 19th. (At some point soon I'll try to derive the base/out clutch rankings, which is trickier.)
Isn't it cool that it didn't occur to me to include the MFY's in this comparison?
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Post by Guidas on Jun 6, 2021 15:38:40 GMT -5
JD no esta aqui:
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jun 6, 2021 15:42:51 GMT -5
You answered part of your question by referencing Tampa’s walk rate, but they also make things happen on the base paths. It’s why I loved the Mookie/Jackie/Beni crew so much. They could skoot, and it wasn’t really about stealing bags. 1st to 3rd. Stretching borderline singles into doubles. It was awesome, and we need to get more athletic in a couple of spots to approach it again. It always, what, amuses? dismays? me that someone will assert an explanation like this without checking to see if it's true. But this is completely wrong. I mean, wronger than you just imagined after reading the preceding sentence. Have a new extreme wrongness in your head? Still wronger.
FanGraphs has the Sox as the 5th best baserunning club in MLB (+3.1 runs) and the Rays as 24th (-2.6).
And the 2018 Red Sox were 28th in MLB. They were 16th in 2017 and 23rd in 2019. (They were 19th last year, so this year is a huge change.)
The Sox are one of 2 teams in MLB to have had no one thrown out at, or caught off, 3B. They're tied for second worst at outs at home but tied for 8th best at outs elsewhere. They're a bit below average at raw advancement percentages (including to home) ... FanGraphs' UBR (Ultimate BaseRunning) includes advancing on WP / PB, on outs other than GB to the right side, on throws to bases by a trailing runner, and reaching 2B on a potential force at 2B. So the Sox are apparently rocking those categories.
The actual reason the Rays have outscored us is that they've played 2 more games. We're 4th in MLB with 4.97 R/G, and they're 7th at 4.92. We're 7th at wRC+ and the Rays are 10th. The Sox are 7th in MLB at converting runs to wins (inning / score clutch) and the Rays are 19th. (At some point soon I'll try to derive the base/out clutch rankings, which is trickier.)
Isn't it cool that it didn't occur to me to include the MFY's in this comparison?
Yes, it is cool because they are way, way down in runs scored.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 6, 2021 15:51:23 GMT -5
No Stanton for Los Yanquis.
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Post by Canseco on Jun 6, 2021 16:17:24 GMT -5
You answered part of your question by referencing Tampa’s walk rate, but they also make things happen on the base paths. It’s why I loved the Mookie/Jackie/Beni crew so much. They could skoot, and it wasn’t really about stealing bags. 1st to 3rd. Stretching borderline singles into doubles. It was awesome, and we need to get more athletic in a couple of spots to approach it again. It always, what, amuses? dismays? me that someone will assert an explanation like this without checking to see if it's true. But this is completely wrong. I mean, wronger than you just imagined after reading the preceding sentence. Have a new extreme wrongness in your head? Still wronger.
FanGraphs has the Sox as the 5th best baserunning club in MLB (+3.1 runs) and the Rays as 24th (-2.6).
And the 2018 Red Sox were 28th in MLB. They were 16th in 2017 and 23rd in 2019. (They were 19th last year, so this year is a huge change.)
The Sox are one of 2 teams in MLB to have had no one thrown out at, or caught off, 3B. They're tied for second worst at outs at home but tied for 8th best at outs elsewhere. They're a bit below average at raw advancement percentages (including to home) ... FanGraphs' UBR (Ultimate BaseRunning) includes advancing on WP / PB, on outs other than GB to the right side, on throws to bases by a trailing runner, and reaching 2B on a potential force at 2B. So the Sox are apparently rocking those categories.
The actual reason the Rays have outscored us is that they've played 2 more games. We're 4th in MLB with 4.97 R/G, and they're 7th at 4.92. We're 7th at wRC+ and the Rays are 10th. The Sox are 7th in MLB at converting runs to wins (inning / score clutch) and the Rays are 19th. (At some point soon I'll try to derive the base/out clutch rankings, which is trickier.)
Isn't it cool that it didn't occur to me to include the MFY's in this comparison?
I didn’t care to look up any stats on the matter because I watch the games. Using one’s eyeballs also matters. Fewer outs on the base paths this year is more than likely due to a more conservative approach. The 2018 squad was aggressive in pursuing the extra bag… almost frustratingly so at times. It paid off, but we also had the personnel to do it.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jun 6, 2021 16:57:19 GMT -5
It always, what, amuses? dismays? me that someone will assert an explanation like this without checking to see if it's true. But this is completely wrong. I mean, wronger than you just imagined after reading the preceding sentence. Have a new extreme wrongness in your head? Still wronger.
FanGraphs has the Sox as the 5th best baserunning club in MLB (+3.1 runs) and the Rays as 24th (-2.6).
And the 2018 Red Sox were 28th in MLB. They were 16th in 2017 and 23rd in 2019. (They were 19th last year, so this year is a huge change.)
The Sox are one of 2 teams in MLB to have had no one thrown out at, or caught off, 3B. They're tied for second worst at outs at home but tied for 8th best at outs elsewhere. They're a bit below average at raw advancement percentages (including to home) ... FanGraphs' UBR (Ultimate BaseRunning) includes advancing on WP / PB, on outs other than GB to the right side, on throws to bases by a trailing runner, and reaching 2B on a potential force at 2B. So the Sox are apparently rocking those categories.
The actual reason the Rays have outscored us is that they've played 2 more games. We're 4th in MLB with 4.97 R/G, and they're 7th at 4.92. We're 7th at wRC+ and the Rays are 10th. The Sox are 7th in MLB at converting runs to wins (inning / score clutch) and the Rays are 19th. (At some point soon I'll try to derive the base/out clutch rankings, which is trickier.)
Isn't it cool that it didn't occur to me to include the MFY's in this comparison?
I didn’t care to look up any stats on the matter because I watch the games. Using one’s eyeballs also matters. Fewer outs on the base paths this year is more than likely due to a more conservative approach. The 2018 squad was aggressive in pursuing the extra bag… almost frustratingly so at times. It paid off, but we also had the personnel to do it. After 58 games the 2018 Red Sox had 39 wins vs the 2021 Red Sox has 35..... You would think there would be a bigger difference, wouldn’t you....
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Post by Guidas on Jun 6, 2021 17:41:03 GMT -5
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Post by jimoh on Jun 6, 2021 18:08:00 GMT -5
I didn’t care to look up any stats on the matter because I watch the games. Using one’s eyeballs also matters. Fewer outs on the base paths this year is more than likely due to a more conservative approach. The 2018 squad was aggressive in pursuing the extra bag… almost frustratingly so at times. It paid off, but we also had the personnel to do it. Well, we will certainly give your eyeball claim that they are being more conservative this year all the attention it deserves. How could you possibly be wrong?
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jun 6, 2021 18:09:36 GMT -5
Busy weekend. Didn’t get to see the first two games. Very psyched to watch this one with the SP crowd.
Edit. Clearly, I’m already good luck for the Sox tonight!
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Post by kevfc89 on Jun 6, 2021 18:11:11 GMT -5
446 feet!
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Post by cdj on Jun 6, 2021 18:16:01 GMT -5
Verdugo taking out the setting sun was pretty cool
Feel bad for German, damn shame! H8 2 C it
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 6, 2021 18:16:51 GMT -5
What is a bomb for 200 Alex? RIP
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Post by semperfisox on Jun 6, 2021 18:23:50 GMT -5
I can’t stand watching Richards pitch.
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Post by semperfisox on Jun 6, 2021 18:25:16 GMT -5
Everything is right over the damn plate
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Post by kevfc89 on Jun 6, 2021 18:30:40 GMT -5
struck out the side
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Post by cdj on Jun 6, 2021 18:31:29 GMT -5
The problem with Richards is that his stuff moves so much he doesn’t control it. Sometimes he’s throwing middle middle, sometimes he can’t get the zone for his life, then other times he’s ridiculously hard to hit
In the first we got option #1. Hopefully he’s settling in, nice pitch to end the inning and limit damage
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Post by Canseco on Jun 6, 2021 18:31:43 GMT -5
I didn’t care to look up any stats on the matter because I watch the games. Using one’s eyeballs also matters. Fewer outs on the base paths this year is more than likely due to a more conservative approach. The 2018 squad was aggressive in pursuing the extra bag… almost frustratingly so at times. It paid off, but we also had the personnel to do it. Well, we will certainly give your eyeball claim that they are being more conservative this year all the attention it deserves. How could you possibly be wrong? Thanks, pal!
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 6, 2021 18:48:03 GMT -5
Please don't let German be a hero today.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 6, 2021 18:59:07 GMT -5
locate Garrett....locate !!
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Post by station13 on Jun 6, 2021 19:05:21 GMT -5
Richards is BP tonight.
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cdj
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Post by cdj on Jun 6, 2021 19:07:23 GMT -5
Pitching ninja gonna like that, love a nice buckle
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