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Post by Guidas on Jun 7, 2021 19:44:32 GMT -5
I don't buy sending Dalbec down. He's going to turn 26 in a few weeks. I don't think he is going to benefit from going to AAA any more than Franchy is. As far as I am concerned, Franchy's performance since going down is as or more likely to be a mirage than something real that translates to the majors. There's too much of a temptation, if a hitter can make himself look good with his basic approach against pitching that isn't quite as good, to stick with what brung ya and and hope to get recalled based on results in the minors rather than process. I think Dalbec needs to stay up and either sink or swim. He's got to learn what to do against the guys he's going to need to do it against. If he can't cut it, then let him go and chalk it down to a high-risk, high-reward shot that didn't work out. Dalbec barely had 100 AAA ABs. It may have not been enough. Last year was not really a season and he was only up for 80ABs last year. The league adjusted this year, Dalbec did not. |
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Post by nomar on Jun 7, 2021 19:49:26 GMT -5
These are some lucky hits
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Post by Guidas on Jun 7, 2021 19:50:12 GMT -5
Great sweep!
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Post by cdj on Jun 7, 2021 19:50:54 GMT -5
SWEEP!
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Post by nuttyredsox on Jun 7, 2021 19:58:44 GMT -5
Another great sweep from the lousy team  Let's go RED SOX |
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jun 7, 2021 20:30:12 GMT -5
Remy just complimented the hitting this inning as the camera panned the Sox dugout and focused on Dalbec, who did not surprise by striking out. Dalbec is -1.1 WAR going into today. I think it is probably time to make a change. I totally agree, but who would be his replacement. I would be open to all suggestions. \_o_/ Dalbec needs to be sent down to straighten out his swing, but Chavis is no better....play Arroyo more and move Marwin to 1st....still not ideal. O well |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 7, 2021 22:04:23 GMT -5
We're beating the teams we should be beating and starting to beat the tougher teams. The team's record is pretty stunning.
Given that we are playing well and winning, I think some additional patience with Dalbec can be exercized...kind of like how patience with some of the pen arms is paying off (Sawamura, Taylor, Ottavino).
Feeling overall pretty great about the team at this point.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 7, 2021 22:17:37 GMT -5
Have the Sox gotten a high number of double plays, or does it just feel that way? Richards and Pivetta seem to get out of trouble a lot with two. I don’t know if that is statistically valid, though. Sox are 4th in MLB in GDP's turned, but 7th in rate per opportunities. And 4th in the division, which also has the #1, 2, and 5 teams.
Tm Rate GDP+
TBR .134 137
TOR .127 130
SDP .123 125
SEA .122 124
NYY .119 121
PHI .116 118
BOS .115 118
CHC .112 114
MIA .109 112
NYM .108 111
COL .106 108
TEX .104 106
CLE .101 103
MIN .101 103
WSN .100 102
OAK .096 98
HOU .094 96
LAA .094 96
KCR .093 95
PIT .093 95
DET .089 91
SFG .089 91
MIL .085 86
ATL .084 85
CHW .082 83
LAD .080 82
ARI .076 78
CIN .075 76
BAL .069 70
STL .063 65
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Post by soxinsf on Jun 7, 2021 23:02:37 GMT -5
I don't buy sending Dalbec down. He's going to turn 26 in a few weeks. I don't think he is going to benefit from going to AAA any more than Franchy is. As far as I am concerned, Franchy's performance since going down is as or more likely to be a mirage than something real that translates to the majors. There's too much of a temptation, if a hitter can make himself look good with his basic approach against pitching that isn't quite as good, to stick with what brung ya and and hope to get recalled based on results in the minors rather than process. I think Dalbec needs to stay up and either sink or swim. He's got to learn what to do against the guys he's going to need to do it against. If he can't cut it, then let him go and chalk it down to a high-risk, high-reward shot that didn't work out. Dalbec barely had 100 AAA ABs. It may have not been enough. Last year was not really a season and he was only up for 80ABs last year. The league adjusted this year, Dalbec did not. This argument (not enough AAA ABs) is the same argument being heard as a reason to keep Duran down. I don’t buy it. If one plays well over a reasonable sample size, and one is needed, one goes up. If one goes up and demonstrates that additional seasoning is necessary, one goes back down. There are no guarantees and only a limited number of mulligans before an appropriate sample size is reached. |
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Post by cdj on Jun 7, 2021 23:04:45 GMT -5
Dalbec barely had 100 AAA ABs. It may have not been enough. Last year was not really a season and he was only up for 80ABs last year. The league adjusted this year, Dalbec did not. This argument (not enough AAA ABs) is the same argument being heard as a reason to keep Duran down. I don’t buy it. If one plays well over a reasonable sample size, and one is needed, one goes up. If one goes up and demonstrates that additional seasoning is necessary, one goes back down. There are no guarantees and only a limited number of mulligans before an appropriate sample size is reached. The other argument is Duran’s defense, where he made two errors the other day.... |
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Post by station13 on Jun 7, 2021 23:21:08 GMT -5
I'm quite impressed by Nick Pivetta run with us so far. Keep it up.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 7, 2021 23:27:57 GMT -5
Swee et swee ep.
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Post by station13 on Jun 7, 2021 23:31:01 GMT -5
I didn't see this whole game. Is JD good to go for the Stros series?
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Post by soxinsf on Jun 8, 2021 0:08:30 GMT -5
This argument (not enough AAA ABs) is the same argument being heard as a reason to keep Duran down. I don’t buy it. If one plays well over a reasonable sample size, and one is needed, one goes up. If one goes up and demonstrates that additional seasoning is necessary, one goes back down. There are no guarantees and only a limited number of mulligans before an appropriate sample size is reached. The other argument is Duran’s defense, where he made two errors the other day.... So did Marwin. Who was second in errors in MLB last I looked? Devers. Btw, Tatis is first. Errors don’t seem to matter when a guy hits well. |
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Post by cdj on Jun 8, 2021 0:25:34 GMT -5
The other argument is Duran’s defense, where he made two errors the other day.... So did Marwin. Who was second in errors in MLB last I looked? Devers. Btw, Tatis is first. Errors don’t seem to matter when a guy hits well. None of them are outfielders making errors and Duran was down to .242 2 games before he left for the Olympic trials. He then had a monstrous game, and then followed it up with an 0-5 bringing him to the .278/.366/.625 he is at now He has 75 AAA AB’s, be a little patient is all i am saying. He will be up eventually. He’s got plenty to work on, he has not mastered AAA. Let’s put him in a position to succeed once he gets to the show |
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 8, 2021 0:31:33 GMT -5
...So did Marwin. Who was second in errors in MLB last I looked? Devers. Btw, Tatis is first. Errors don’t seem to matter when a guy hits well. It doesn't quite work that way. It's all about runs. You want to score some and keep the other team from doing that. So defense bad enough to cost you a number of games matters a lot. I don't put Duran in that class but it should be obvious that the division is no cakewalk. All the marginal stuff matters if a team expects to win it. The Sox are within a half game of the lead and it might stay that tight right thru the summer. Blow a few leads and the love train Boston fans are riding can derail real fast. He needs to be ready for that. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 8, 2021 5:03:24 GMT -5
That's a view of one side of the coin.
He isn't going to be here until after super-two day no matter what he does. When guys like Wander Franco get called up, we'll see Duran. He's a likely upgrade, that's the major point.
None of Betts, Bogaerts, Devers, Dalbec, Chavis, Vasquez or any other solid prospect you can remember was here before super two day. That's for middle relievers and bench guys.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 8, 2021 8:10:37 GMT -5
Dalbec barely had 100 AAA ABs. It may have not been enough. Last year was not really a season and he was only up for 80ABs last year. The league adjusted this year, Dalbec did not. This argument (not enough AAA ABs) is the same argument being heard as a reason to keep Duran down. I don’t buy it. If one plays well over a reasonable sample size, and one is needed, one goes up. If one goes up and demonstrates that additional seasoning is necessary, one goes back down. There are no guarantees and only a limited number of mulligans before an appropriate sample size is reached. Guys advance at a different pace. Duran is not Dalbec and vice-versa. I think the biggest hit against Duran right now has been outfield D and his routes. |
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jun 8, 2021 10:20:13 GMT -5
Have the Sox gotten a high number of double plays, or does it just feel that way? Richards and Pivetta seem to get out of trouble a lot with two. I don’t know if that is statistically valid, though. Sox are 4th in MLB in GDP's turned, but 7th in rate per opportunities. And 4th in the division, which also has the #1, 2, and 5 teams.
Tm Rate GDP+
TBR .134 137
TOR .127 130
SDP .123 125
SEA .122 124
NYY .119 121
PHI .116 118
BOS .115 118
CHC .112 114
MIA .109 112
NYM .108 111
COL .106 108
TEX .104 106
CLE .101 103
MIN .101 103
WSN .100 102
OAK .096 98
HOU .094 96
LAA .094 96
KCR .093 95
PIT .093 95
DET .089 91
SFG .089 91
MIL .085 86
ATL .084 85
CHW .082 83
LAD .080 82
ARI .076 78
CIN .075 76
BAL .069 70
STL .063 65
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