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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 10, 2021 16:27:56 GMT -5
Moore has less than nothing And Perez even less than that. Not Perez's day.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 10, 2021 16:32:18 GMT -5
Smart to pull Perez early. Pen hasn't been worked much lately and the ASB is coming up.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 10, 2021 16:42:21 GMT -5
Dalbec's low walk rate looks to me like it's because pitchers feel pretty good about throwing him fastballs in the strike zone. Dalbec in the minors had streaks where he didn't walk at all and streaks where he walked a ton. He changes his approach (consciously or unconsciously) really often. That's a sufficient explanation. Except... he hasn't been walking all season. If he's trying a variety of approaches none of them seem to be very good for getting him on base.
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Post by soxinsf on Jul 10, 2021 17:14:52 GMT -5
Dalbec in the minors had streaks where he didn't walk at all and streaks where he walked a ton. He changes his approach (consciously or unconsciously) really often. That's a sufficient explanation. Except... he hasn't been walking all season. If he's trying a variety of approaches none of them seem to be very good for getting him on base. It is hard to walk a lot when you strike out so often. Bobby has had improved results of late but he is still striking out near 40%.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 10, 2021 17:46:38 GMT -5
Not good at all
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Post by unitspin on Jul 10, 2021 17:46:55 GMT -5
This bullpen has to be all time. They are insanely consistent.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 10, 2021 17:49:52 GMT -5
ok pen. get it out of your system. Brice time seems appropriate.
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Post by manfred on Jul 10, 2021 17:50:01 GMT -5
That escalated quickly.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 10, 2021 17:54:13 GMT -5
Welp. It was a game until it wasn't.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 10, 2021 17:54:36 GMT -5
good to see Brice figured things out in AAA. That's our Austin.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 10, 2021 17:55:21 GMT -5
Well, if the usually airtight bullpen is going to suck they might as well contain their implosion to one game as opposed to spreading it around for several games. At least I can't complain about them blowing the lead. It's not like the Sox were hitting today anyways.
The problem is now that the Ray's have picked up another game on the Sox and have now gone from 4.5 games out to just 1.5 games in less than a week.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 10, 2021 18:03:30 GMT -5
All star break to do list: say goodbye to Andriese, Brice, Santana?, maybe Workman? Time to upgrade the roster.
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Post by cutz on Jul 10, 2021 18:07:46 GMT -5
A Snowman(NOT good)
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Post by station13 on Jul 10, 2021 18:12:33 GMT -5
Hard to believe you can get paid .5 million bucks, the league minimum to do that.
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Post by station13 on Jul 10, 2021 18:13:13 GMT -5
All star break to do list: say goodbye to Andriese, Brice, Santana?, maybe Workman? Time to upgrade the roster. The two weeks after is real cruncher. They have to.
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Post by cdj on Jul 10, 2021 18:18:17 GMT -5
Say what you will, but Workman's now gone 7 straight appearances without giving up a run with a FIP of 3.05. Velocity looks a little better in July than it did in June and is getting pretty close to last year levels (fastball still a tick below though). Stuff seems to have more bite the last two outings. Which is good because I was pretty uninspired by him until these last two outings. Even when he got out of the jams against Oakland I felt that was more luck than anything. These last two outings I like the stuff a lot better Hand up my b
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Post by manfred on Jul 10, 2021 18:21:23 GMT -5
Hard to call it a “bullpen implosion” when it was mostly Workman and Brice. When you go with marginal guys, you get marginal results.
That said, I would be for a trade to get Hammer. Guy has a good arm and a bit of a Joe Kelly vibe.
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Post by cutz on Jul 10, 2021 18:23:32 GMT -5
Bases loaded and No outs and don't score off Charlie Sheen?
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 10, 2021 18:24:32 GMT -5
let's add a major level squander to a total pen meltdown. sometimes it is NOT your day.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 10, 2021 18:25:13 GMT -5
Hard to call it a “bullpen implosion” when it was mostly Workman and Brice. When you go with marginal guys, you get marginal results. That said, I would be for a trade to get Hammer. Guy has a good arm and a bit of a Joe Kelly vibe. Taylor set the stage
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Post by incandenza on Jul 10, 2021 18:28:22 GMT -5
In an alternate world, when the Phillies went up 5-2, the bullpen might have been managed as if it were a winnable game. After all, when you're *up* by 3 runs - even in the 9th inning - you have to bring in your closer: a 3-run lead is so vulnerable you have to go to any lengths to preserve it!
But by custom if you're *down* 3 runs you go to the last guys in the bullpen. And that's how you get to 11-2 and play yourself out of any chance at winning.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 10, 2021 19:32:04 GMT -5
Im really not sure why they called up Brice over Valdez. Dude is terrible and they had successfully got him thru waivers down to aaa.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 10, 2021 20:08:05 GMT -5
Hard to call it a “bullpen implosion” when it was mostly Workman and Brice. When you go with marginal guys, you get marginal results. That said, I would be for a trade to get Hammer. Guy has a good arm and a bit of a Joe Kelly vibe. When a bullpen gives up 8 runs in a 3-2, important, winnable game and uses 3 arms in the process, it is an implosion enough for me!
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Post by soxinsf on Jul 10, 2021 20:30:14 GMT -5
Hard to call it a “bullpen implosion” when it was mostly Workman and Brice. When you go with marginal guys, you get marginal results. That said, I would be for a trade to get Hammer. Guy has a good arm and a bit of a Joe Kelly vibe. It started when the usually reliable Taylor put four men on in the eighth. Workman is an order of magnitude lower in quality and Brice is forgettable. So, too me, it was a bullpen implosion because of the first two guys.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 10, 2021 20:39:54 GMT -5
So Tampa now 1.5 back.
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