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Post by patford on Aug 14, 2021 18:27:22 GMT -5
So it seems real. Sale, Eovaldi, ERod, Pivetta, Houck. What an upgrade! Now we just need Brasier (the good one, not the one that got lit up for 5 runs in Woo yesterday) and Darwinzon (which may mean goodbye to Davis and Robles) from the IL - and most importantly, Arroyo (meaning farewell to Franchy?). If Duran and Dalbeck are finally figuring things out...we will make the rest of the season really interesting for sure. Robles had two very good years back to back with the Angels. And he has pretty good stuff. Davis has had a number of bad short MLB shots but has always shoved in the minors so I assume Bloom thinks at some point his stuff will play in MLB.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Aug 14, 2021 18:35:01 GMT -5
The last 4 games have seen the Red Sox out score TB and Bal 52 to 12 (nice for the run differential).
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 14, 2021 18:37:37 GMT -5
So it seems real. Sale, Eovaldi, ERod, Pivetta, Houck. What an upgrade! Now we just need Brasier (the good one, not the one that got lit up for 5 runs in Woo yesterday) and Darwinzon (which may mean goodbye to Davis and Robles) from the IL - and most importantly, Arroyo (meaning farewell to Franchy?). If Duran and Dalbeck are finally figuring things out...we will make the rest of the season really interesting for sure. Robles had two very good years back to back with the Angels. And he has pretty good stuff. Davis has had a number of bad short MLB shots but has always shoved in the minors so I assume Bloom thinks at some point his stuff will play in MLB. agreed, but are they better than others on the roster when Brasier and Darwinzon return? Note Rios already got caught in the numbers game
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Post by incandenza on Aug 14, 2021 18:40:42 GMT -5
The Red Sox roster has improved more than any other AL East team in the last month and it's not close.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Aug 14, 2021 18:43:49 GMT -5
Dalbec may or may not end up being serviceable, but playing the “x player struggled and became a star” game is meaningless. I mean, it is basically this syllogism: X struggled his first year and is now a star. Dalbec is struggling. Ergo Dalbec will be a star. It isn’t just that he has struggled: it is that is struggles were actually recognizably within his range of outcomes. That is, if this is it, it wouldn’t be that surprising. If, say, Xander had never gotten better or if Franco doesn’t continue to get better, it’ll be shocking. Manfred all he is saying is don't give up on him completely and making some comparisons, not that he is going to be a star. So ergo that and stop extrapolating peoples words into something that isn't what was meant and being combative. Thank you Voiceofreason! Manfred regularly extrapolates things that were not said in an argumentative way!
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 14, 2021 18:45:41 GMT -5
Mike Monaco is doing the White Sox broadcast against the Yankees and I'm having some middle school "I thought we were friends..." jealousy type feelings
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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 14, 2021 18:46:56 GMT -5
It starts at the top, ownership. I'm so thankful John Henry is the Sox owner and not Peter Angelos. It's sad. The Orioles were so great from 1966 - 1983, but now they suck year after year like their predecessors, the St Louis Browns. That would be the Albert Belle affect. He spent big on him and he was a psycho, sucked and got hurt so they wasted a ton of money and he hasn't spent any money since. Unless you want to include Chris Davis which once again was a big mistake. But that doesn't explain a farm system that should have been loaded. Belle was good in his first year with the Orioles, worth more than what they paid him though his defense had continued to deteriorate. He's very intelligent but he was very volatile, too hard on himself and angry in general. Not that he didn't have reasons to be, but his reactions were often over the top. So the anger management thing was a real problem. That said, he induced real fear in pitchers, not unlike Dick Allen.
Baltimore's problems go well beyond Belle. Chris Davis' contract resulted in 12 bWAR at a cost of $143M. That does not pan out. Belle is barely a blip on that radar.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 14, 2021 18:49:45 GMT -5
Good news. Red Sox expected W-L will go up tonight. That's important.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 14, 2021 18:49:56 GMT -5
Mike Monaco is doing the White Sox broadcast against the Yankees and I'm having some middle school "I thought we were friends..." jealousy type feelings They have the best broadcast booth in the AL that I've heard.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 14, 2021 18:51:34 GMT -5
Monaco + Eck full time would be a legendary team
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 14, 2021 18:57:21 GMT -5
Mike Monaco is doing the White Sox broadcast against the Yankees and I'm having some middle school "I thought we were friends..." jealousy type feelings Red Sox should lock him up while they have a chance and let DOB go.
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 14, 2021 19:05:00 GMT -5
Because there's more of them that want to reserve the right to maximize profit and minimize investment costs and the owners that want to win are fine with limited competition? Relegation would solve that. However the owners own the league and so they would never vote for that. They have some difficult decisions to make in the new CBA.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Aug 14, 2021 19:07:51 GMT -5
I used to sit in the same booth with Monaco during Wareham Gatemen games. Small world.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Aug 14, 2021 19:08:19 GMT -5
That’s not a guarantee if his walk and strikeout rates continue to stink. The offensive bar at 1B is high enough that if he hits, say, .230/.290/.470 (think Adam Duvall or Khris Davis or Gary Sanchez), he’ll be a below-average starter at 1B. Is there any question about the fact that he is a place holder until Casas is ready? Do we just want him to be the best he can be for now and as a trade chip later? Lets not complicate this, we just want him to be the best he can be right now, that's it. No big expectations for a guy who is a 2nd division starter. Agreed. The Red Sox did NOT just sign Dalbec to a 13 year $325 million contract. Some of the people posting act like the Red Sox are stuck with Dalbec for the next decade, which is not the case. He is simply a placeholder until someone better comes along whether it is Casas or someone else.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Aug 14, 2021 19:23:59 GMT -5
Bobby is hitting well against a team with AAAA pitchers. Let's pump the breaks here. There's a reason the Red Sox have scored 14 runs today and 8 yesterday. He's still a pretty useless player with no real upside. Are we Red Sox fans? I mean that is your avatar right, redsoxfan2. OK we shouldn't show any enthusiasm for a player who has struggled and has played a lot better lately. I guess I will go with your take that he is useless and can't help them win this year. Redsoxfan2 needs to change his name to glasshalfempty
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Aug 14, 2021 19:28:52 GMT -5
It's been really helpful that Verdugo is starting to look right lately and is apparently over what seemed to be ailing him. His few days off at home were definitely a good thing
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 14, 2021 19:39:26 GMT -5
That would be the Albert Belle affect. He spent big on him and he was a psycho, sucked and got hurt so they wasted a ton of money and he hasn't spent any money since. Unless you want to include Chris Davis which once again was a big mistake. But that doesn't explain a farm system that should have been loaded. Belle was good in his first year with the Orioles, worth more than what they paid him though his defense had continued to deteriorate. He's very intelligent but he was very volatile, too hard on himself and angry in general. Not that he didn't have reasons to be, but his reactions were often over the top. So the anger management thing was a real problem. That said, he induced real fear in pitchers, not unlike Dick Allen.
Baltimore's problems go well beyond Belle. Chris Davis' contract resulted in 12 bWAR at a cost of $143M. That does not pan out. Belle is barely a blip on that radar. "angry in general" the man was a walking time bomb that exploded in failure for his team. He was as big a jackass who ever played the game.
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Post by patford on Aug 14, 2021 20:21:26 GMT -5
Just to be clear if Dalbec was 0 his last 20 I'd still be saying he needs more time.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 14, 2021 21:12:25 GMT -5
Kimbrel just gave up a dinger to Judge to break the tie in the ChiSox MFY game. Brings back memories (he was largely effective, but some stinkers were sprinkled in...and it seemed pretty stressful in his outings!)
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Post by blizzards39 on Aug 14, 2021 21:25:53 GMT -5
Are we Red Sox fans? I mean that is your avatar right, redsoxfan2. OK we shouldn't show any enthusiasm for a player who has struggled and has played a lot better lately. I guess I will go with your take that he is useless and can't help them win this year. Redsoxfan2 needs to change his name to glasshalfempty When we wake up tomorrow Dalbec will have a positive WAR ( + 1 range in last 2 months) I’ll take that for 9th place hitter playing for 500k
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 14, 2021 21:56:35 GMT -5
Gorgeous - Chad Green just blew the save - Abreu home run to tie.
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Post by cdj on Aug 14, 2021 22:20:56 GMT -5
Gorgeous - Chad Green just blew the save - Abreu home run to tie. Unfortunately Hendriks and Kimbrel have become the Meltdown Brothers since being put in the same bullpen
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Post by blizzards39 on Aug 14, 2021 22:22:18 GMT -5
Gorgeous - Chad Green just blew the save - Abreu home run to tie. Unfortunately Hendriks and Kimbrel have become the Meltdown Brothers since being put in the same bullpen But here come the WSox. Great game
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 14, 2021 22:35:18 GMT -5
Haha, commentator's final thought "In the end the Yankees bullpen was a little better." I think he meant to say " In the end the Yankees bullpen sucked less."
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 14, 2021 22:47:19 GMT -5
Mike Monaco is doing the White Sox broadcast against the Yankees and I'm having some middle school "I thought we were friends..." jealousy type feelings They have the best broadcast booth in the AL that I've heard. You've clearly been depriving yourself from Joe Castig...
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