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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 15, 2021 17:06:06 GMT -5
We sure are adding a bunch of base cloggers for the lineup. Not sure how to feel about this. Exactly. Curious signing. Shaw with ML experience at 1B, 2B, 3B. Is this just to replace depth laost with Chavis trade or is there more to it? - Schwarber 1B experiment not going well - Arroyo rehab not progressing well Shaw basically pushes Franchy back to Worcester. He's veteran infield depth replacing Franchy's inexperienced IF/OF depth.
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Post by tookme55 on Aug 15, 2021 17:07:33 GMT -5
Sox drafted Schwarber's classmate at IU so they know him well.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 15, 2021 17:10:45 GMT -5
So the Sox are 15th in mlb for men LOB with 14.24 per game (this is about 1.5 fewer than last year btw). You know who's best? Cleveland at 12.93. Worst? Dodgers at 15.94. www.teamrankings.com/mlb/stat/left-on-base-per-gameJust seems to be one of those things that stand out in one's mind - probably because it's soo aggrivatinga I suspect there's a difference between pre-July and July/August, their MOB splits have gotten worse throughout the year. More runners on base, more left on base...
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 15, 2021 17:12:41 GMT -5
Sox drafted Schwarber's classmate at IU so they know him well. I saw Sam Travis playing 1B for the Tacoma Rainiers the other day. He was awful, fanning at least twice, plus the weakest popout to 2B you ever saw (went about 15 feet in the air), and at least two horrific plays at 1B. Glad to have his college roommate instead of him...
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 15, 2021 17:18:00 GMT -5
Relegation would solve that. However the owners own the league and so they would never vote for that. The owners who would be relegated would loose a few hundred million each. The only winners would be the lawyers, and MLB would get ANOTHER black eye! Even if it would be a reasonable solution (which it is not), it would be a loose, loose outcome. Relegation doesn't work when the second and third tier league teams are affiliates of the premier league team. So after Boston's awful performance last year, do they get relegated and Worcester moves up to the big leagues? Doesn't work in this system.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 15, 2021 17:23:09 GMT -5
I would rather see Andriese get another shot since Davis is a mop up pitcher anyway. What exactly is Andriese though? Might be back to his old self after a few weeks of rest and coaching. Best-case scenario is a guy who can get you ground balls, give you 2-3 innings a couple times a week and maybe an emergency start now and then. Having almost every guy in the bullpen capable of giving you multiple innings is a pretty interesting luxury.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 15, 2021 17:26:29 GMT -5
can't watch this game, but listening- Joe C and Will F been talking about what a brutal day the umpiring crew is having. EDIT: Joe C and Sean McD ...
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 15, 2021 17:31:37 GMT -5
Schwarber a JDM replacement if he opts out? Could be... but Schwarber can also opt out (he actually has a weird mutual option with a large-ish buy out). Julio will probably cost more, though...
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Post by Guidas on Aug 15, 2021 19:14:27 GMT -5
MIN walks it off! Rays lose! Back to 3GB! Meanwhile the Rays have 7 more vs. Balt., including 4 this week. Also still on their schedule - 6 with Det, and 3 with Mia. To legitimately jump them, the Sox need to win the next two series against them. That would mean going 2-1 and 3-1. The split in the 4 game series gets you nothing unless you sweep them in the 3 game series or they come into the three game series only up 1. And that's will the rest of their respective schedules coming out even.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 15, 2021 19:15:58 GMT -5
Schwarber a JDM replacement if he opts out? Could be... but Schwarber can also opt out (he actually has a weird mutual option with a large-ish buy out). Julio will probably cost more, though...
Julio who?
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Post by cdj on Aug 15, 2021 19:22:18 GMT -5
What exactly is Andriese though? Might be back to his old self after a few weeks of rest and coaching. Best-case scenario is a guy who can get you ground balls, give you 2-3 innings a couple times a week and maybe an emergency start now and then. Having almost every guy in the bullpen capable of giving you multiple innings is a pretty interesting luxury.
The problem IMO is that April seems more like an outlier than his “old self” With Perez and Richards both in the pen I just don’t see much use for him
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 15, 2021 20:09:34 GMT -5
What exactly is Andriese though? Might be back to his old self after a few weeks of rest and coaching. Best-case scenario is a guy who can get you ground balls, give you 2-3 innings a couple times a week and maybe an emergency start now and then. Having almost every guy in the bullpen capable of giving you multiple innings is a pretty interesting luxury.
We can’t release Andriese until he teaches Houck a change-up
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Post by kingofthetrill on Aug 15, 2021 20:20:10 GMT -5
We can’t release Andriese until he teaches Houck a change-up Can't we just have Pedro do it?
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Post by jmei on Aug 15, 2021 21:11:19 GMT -5
Let’s move on from the COVID discussion. It just never ends up in a good place. Thanks.
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 15, 2021 21:44:47 GMT -5
Good sweep for the Sox. Sale showed some signs of the guy we remembered and the offense did well. Hopefully they can keep it going and finish strong.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 15, 2021 23:11:48 GMT -5
Could be... but Schwarber can also opt out (he actually has a weird mutual option with a large-ish buy out). Julio will probably cost more, though...
Julio who? Julio Daniel Martinez of your Boston Red Sox.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 15, 2021 23:16:40 GMT -5
MIN walks it off! Rays lose! Back to 3GB! Meanwhile the Rays have 7 more vs. Balt., including 4 this week. Also still on their schedule - 6 with Det, and 3 with Mia. To legitimately jump them, the Sox need to win the next two series against them. That would mean going 2-1 and 3-1. The split in the 4 game series gets you nothing unless you sweep them in the 3 game series or they come into the three game series only up 1. And that's will the rest of their respective schedules coming out even. BOS also has 6 games remaining with BAL, as well as 6 with CLE, and 3 each with MIN and TEX (12 of those 18 games in Fenway). And based on how well DET has been playing the last month (including against BOS), I'm quite happy that TB has to play them 6 times. DET is going to be everyone's dark horse for the AL Central next year.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Aug 16, 2021 6:25:31 GMT -5
It's no guarantee that Boston makes the playoffs at all, let alone goes far, but what is pretty much a guarantee is that they are only out Aldo Ramirez and Alex Scherff for their lottery ticket as opposed to the other AL East teams.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 16, 2021 8:07:21 GMT -5
Meanwhile the Rays have 7 more vs. Balt., including 4 this week. Also still on their schedule - 6 with Det, and 3 with Mia. To legitimately jump them, the Sox need to win the next two series against them. That would mean going 2-1 and 3-1. The split in the 4 game series gets you nothing unless you sweep them in the 3 game series or they come into the three game series only up 1. And that's will the rest of their respective schedules coming out even. BOS also has 6 games remaining with BAL, as well as 6 with CLE, and 3 each with MIN and TEX (12 of those 18 games in Fenway). And based on how well DET has been playing the last month (including against BOS), I'm quite happy that TB has to play them 6 times. DET is going to be everyone's dark horse for the AL Central next year.
Agree. I just don't want folks to get cocky after sweeping a AAA team or watching a Chris Sale who is good, but only 75-80% of the real Chris Sale. Also, Cora still doesn't seem to trust the back end of the pen. That's a problem. Shame Bloom got two mop-up guys instead of a real 8th-9th inning guy. It is what it is. This is the point where winning teams rise to the challenge and the also rans show themselves. Will be an interesting last 42 games.
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 16, 2021 8:25:29 GMT -5
It's no guarantee that Boston makes the playoffs at all, let alone goes far, but what is pretty much a guarantee is that they are only out Aldo Ramirez and Alex Scherff for their lottery ticket as opposed to the other AL East teams. I saw that statistically the Sox odds are I think 83% they make the playoffs and I agree on the deadline costs. It remains to be seen how it all works out but in retrospect I am satisfied with the trades or lack there of. Good article in the Athletic that shines a positive light on the Sox, it is paywalled. So for those without access the highlight to me was talking about the strength of the pitching staff with the demotions and return of Sale. Over the last 9 games against Balt, Tor and TB the starters are at 2.39 era with 61 Ks vs 11 BBs. Bottom line is we have good reason to be optimistic beyond sweeping the lowly Orioles. theathletic.com/2771979/2021/08/15/recent-success-of-eduardo-rodriguez-plus-new-additions-means-red-sox-can-finally-expect-more-from-their-rotation/
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 16, 2021 8:33:33 GMT -5
BOS also has 6 games remaining with BAL, as well as 6 with CLE, and 3 each with MIN and TEX (12 of those 18 games in Fenway). And based on how well DET has been playing the last month (including against BOS), I'm quite happy that TB has to play them 6 times. DET is going to be everyone's dark horse for the AL Central next year.
Agree. I just don't want folks to get cocky after sweeping a AAA team or watching a Chris Sale who is good, but only 75-80% of the real Chris Sale. Also, Cora still doesn't seem to trust the back end of the pen. That's a problem. Shame Bloom got two mop-up guys instead of a real 8th-9th inning guy. It is what it is. This is the point where winning teams rise to the challenge and the also rans show themselves. Will be an interesting last 42 games. Yeah, playing the Orioles for 3 straight games has a way of making everything look right with the world. The reality is that the Sox cannot let the Yankees sweep them as that would actually put the Sox 0.5 games behind the Yankees and out of a wild card spot. That is a worst case scenario. The flipside is that the Sox up their head-to-head record to 13-3 against them and pushes them to 5.5 games out. I can't imagine the Sox would be able to run up their record against them to that figure. The rotation minus Richards and Perez and replaced by Houck and Sale is an obvious improvement. Don't know that we will see vintage Sale at any point this year and Houck hasn't shown he can go beyond 5 but it's an improvement. At this point I think the Sox now have five legit options for 5 innings each day with the hope that E-Rod, Eovaldi, or even Pivetta can go 6 innings or even 7. The concern I have is the toll it takes on an overworked bullpen that has lost Darwinzon (not a big fan of his, but much prefer him to Austin Davis), could lose Taylor, and has seen Ottavino and Barnes pitching with less effectiveness. The hope is that Brasier can join them and be a high leverage guy. I hope they find another middle relief option, whether it's Ort or whoever. I don't think Robles will be much more than a torch. I'm good with Richards as the long guy and at this point given what's going on with the lefties they'll have to see if Perez can fill Darwinzon's role or be a 6th inning option along with Sawamura. The offense looks better, but the O's pitching staff is a big reason for the last few days, and there was the 20 run game where the Rays let Fleming take a beating and used Mejia in relief. Still, the Sox were able to beat up Fleming and they also got to Ryu and hit the minor league caliber pitching of the Orioles they were supposed to hit. Arroyo may be no savior, but I think he can help and provide a spark here and there. I don't know that the Shaw/Dalbec platoon will work but I remember Merloni saying that Cora kind of scoffed when the possibility of Schwarber playing 1b was broached. Maybe he sees Schwarber as the DH/backup OF and not a guy who will play 1b. If Shaw can hit enough that would be huge. He really hasn't hit since 2018 so I'm not too optimistic about him being part of the solution, but if he did that would fit the Sox' true intention with Schwarber which is to rotate among the OF, take ABs against righties away from Renfroe at time or take ABs against lefties away from Verdugo, which could happen when Arroyo comes back to play 2b and Hernandez could go back to CF. I know Dalbec has been hot but I'll believe it more when he isn't easy prey against the better pitching staffs. You can see how big the gap between AAA and the majors is. I have no doubt Dalbec would rake in AAA just as Duran and Cordero did. The O's are a minor league pitching staff when Means doesn't pitch, so seeing him rake against the O's was nice but I'd like to see Dalbec hit better pitching. The biggest thing for me this weekend was that Sale looked decent and the Sox needed to sweep Baltimore and did. Now if they can survive NY they have a soft 10 game stretch against Cleveland and Texas that they have no reason not to take at least 7 of those games.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 16, 2021 9:49:56 GMT -5
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 16, 2021 11:27:44 GMT -5
A good look at the schedules and TBay has a rough go of it and the Sox could take over first the last week of the season. Especially if you believe Detroit is a tough team. Sox are winning the division guys.
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Post by manfred on Aug 16, 2021 11:36:58 GMT -5
I don’t look at these every game, but this seems extraordinary — like, guy-off-the-street bad.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 16, 2021 12:27:13 GMT -5
This really undresses the guy (as in removing his umpiring gear). Think about what this means for batters - on both teams - who are tuned in to what pitchers are trying to do to them. Their understanding of the strike zone gets seriously distorted, and whatever fine-tuned pitch recognition they've worked out is worth less. It's got to result in a very different approach.
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