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8/13-8/15 Red Sox vs. Orioles Thread
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 13, 2021 22:23:00 GMT -5
Undefeated in the Kyle Schwarber era. He has single handedly fixed the offense. Either that or the Orioles are kind of a minor league team. If only they could play Baltimore every day.
Pivetta and Richards pitched well and Dalbec swung the bat well. Only against Baltimore do these things seem so easy.
With John Means not pitching this series anything less than a sweep is a disappointment. Hopefully Toronto and Oakland will lose.
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 13, 2021 22:32:29 GMT -5
The Sox have a first basemen whose OPS is over 900 for the month of August. Keep it going Bobby Bombs!!
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Post by cdj on Aug 13, 2021 22:38:27 GMT -5
Garrett Richards was good, how exactly is there complaining about 3 shutout innings? 50 pitches in 3 innings is not abnormal or a lot
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 13, 2021 22:38:38 GMT -5
I also have to go back and remind myself....
most wins in baseball to date - San Fran 74.
then - Tampa 71 Brewers 70 LAD 69 Houston and White Sox - 68
then - guess who? - us with 67, along with Oakland.
As bad as we've played, as bad as it has felt, as bad as it seems - we have only 4 wins less than the team with the best record in the AL. Lots of games left to play, we can get hot. Still an optimist here.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 13, 2021 22:40:49 GMT -5
A bit heavy. Fifty pitches works out to a five inning start. This is the bulk inning role that teams are going to need in the era of five innings starts. Isn’t 50 pitches /16.6 per inning about right on target??? And maybe Orioles are bad but 1/2 the teams the Sox play in the last 50 are bad. Need to go 20-5 in them. Fifty pitches in 3 IP would give you 100 pitches in 6 IP, which is about normal these days. Pivetta threw 93 pitches in 6 IP. Richards actually threw 48 pitches in 3 IP, according to the box score.
Returning to an earlier theme, if you can get 5-6 IP from Sale, Pivetta, E-Rod and Eovaldi, and 2-3 from Richards, Houck, Whitlock, and maybe Perez (or even Seabold although he's had only one good start out of four as a Red Sox), more or less as piggy-backs, that's a pretty good formula in October.
That's eight pitchers covering all but the last 1-2 innings. Barnes, Ottavino, Taylor, Darwinzon, and Sawamura make 13. I like how that shapes up on paper.
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 13, 2021 23:00:28 GMT -5
Garrett Richards was good, how exactly is there complaining about 3 shutout innings? 50 pitches in 3 innings is not abnormal or a lot It's my bad, I'm just not a fan of him at all. But that's my personal bias, in no way did I mean to imply he sucked. He was just mediocre instead of atrocious. My bad, I won't do it again. But seriously, watch his stuff. How can you NOT get upset?
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Post by cdj on Aug 13, 2021 23:01:49 GMT -5
Garrett Richards was good, how exactly is there complaining about 3 shutout innings? 50 pitches in 3 innings is not abnormal or a lot It's my bad, I'm just not a fan of him at all. But that's my personal bias, in no way did I mean to imply he sucked. He was just mediocre instead of atrocious. My bad, I won't do it again. But seriously, watch his stuff. How can you NOT get upset? Lol oh it’s very easy to get upset at him lately, I’ll just save it tonight for when he inevitably does something deserving of ire
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Post by benzinger on Aug 13, 2021 23:24:53 GMT -5
Schwarber probably belongs in the #2 slot for the lineup to be at its best.
Kikè Schwarber Bogaerts Devers JDM Renfroe Verdugo Catcher Duran
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Post by soxinsf on Aug 14, 2021 0:24:52 GMT -5
A bit heavy. Fifty pitches works out to a five inning start. This is the bulk inning role that teams are going to need in the era of five innings starts. Umm, on no planet do starters - even good ones - average 10 pitches per inning. It is a failure to communicate, and it is my comment that led to the miscommunication. I was directing my comments to the three inning role that will be so important to teams that think five innings is what starters should work. Fifty pitches is more or less what that role requires. No one throws fifty pitches in five innings. Agree.
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Post by blizzards39 on Aug 14, 2021 0:38:10 GMT -5
Schwarber probably belongs in the #2 slot for the lineup to be at its best. Kikè Schwarber Bogaerts Devers JDM Renfroe Verdugo Catcher Duran Probably. Vs LH Dalbec for Duran
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 14, 2021 0:38:52 GMT -5
Sing along with Mr. Rogers ...
"It's a beautiful day for the punching bags, a beautiful day for the punching bags ... will they be good? Will they be good?"
Dalbec smoking the ball, and against RHP to boot; Richards looking like he can help in the pen; and Marwin DFA'd with a a certainty of clearing waivers and a 50 / 50 chance of ending up at Worcester for depth, with a chance of making the post-season roster if there's a 3-player collision at some point.
Seriously, that they started Dalbec against a RHP, combined with the results, suggests that they felt that he'd fixed some problem in BP. If he can hit certain RHP, you can end up with a 3-way platoon vs. RHP between Arroyo, Duran, and Dalbec (in order of defensive quality, with Kiké, Duran, and Verdugo in CF respectively), which means you can usually give anyone a day off without introducing a less-than-starter quality guy to the batting order. That can be a huge advantage in September. The only guys who are true bench players at that point are Franchy (or Munoz or DeShields) and Plawecki, and the latter is one of the best backup catchers in the game.
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Post by bosoxnation on Aug 14, 2021 2:01:47 GMT -5
Am i the only person who is willing to be patient with Bobby? Everyone’s always calling for his head. The poor kid has been the 9 hitter almost the whole season. He’s a rookie. Does everyone expect him to be rookie of the year? I figured .240 and 25 Homers would be a successful season for him.
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Post by gerry on Aug 14, 2021 3:23:05 GMT -5
Agree. It’s been a rough rookie year, but he may finally be figuring out his MLB swing. And MLB pitchers. He seemed to have sacrificed power to improve contact but recently that power is showing up along with contact and discipline. His August stats are very good, despite being a bit misleading.
Defensively he is learning to handle 1B quite well and his 3B-trained quick twitch range has been fun to watch. His long levered stretch-ability and strong arm increasingly seem above the norms for most 1B. And he can still handle 3B in a pinch.
As a RHB with lefties in Devers and Schwarber, he could be a valuable asset. This is not the time to lose patience with his development. Did you see his teammates standing and cheering him for those big hits. Awesome. A successful homegrown Dalbec is worth rooting for.
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Post by jimoh on Aug 14, 2021 5:42:10 GMT -5
Am i the only person who is willing to be patient with Bobby? Everyone’s always calling for his head. The poor kid has been the 9 hitter almost the whole season. He’s a rookie. Does everyone expect him to be rookie of the year? I figured .240 and 25 Homers would be a successful season for him. "Patient" is a key word. Coming into the season, we thought .240 with power would be good, but I think no one expected his walk rate would crash the way it has. His minor league years and 2020 suggested this would be a strength. That one walk in July was an amazing stat. Good to see 4 in half of August.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 14, 2021 6:37:57 GMT -5
Am i the only person who is willing to be patient with Bobby? Everyone’s always calling for his head. The poor kid has been the 9 hitter almost the whole season. He’s a rookie. Does everyone expect him to be rookie of the year? I figured .240 and 25 Homers would be a successful season for him. "Patient" is a key word. Coming into the season, we thought .240 with power would be good, but I think no one expected his walk rate would crash the way it has. His minor league years and 2020 suggested this would be a strength. That one walk in July was an amazing stat. Good to see 4 in half of August. Dalbec from July 4 to August 8 vs. RHP: 31 PA, .129 / .129 / .161, expected .170 / .170 / .207. .126 and .166 wOBA and xwOBA.
In his last 2 games and 6 PA he's an expected .463 / .552 / 1.188 (actual .600 / .667 / 1.600). That's a .690 xwOBA. Yesterdsay was his second best game vs. RHP of the season (3+ PA).
With Schwarber easing into 1B he'll get some more chances vs. RHP in the next week or so. Fingers crossed.
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Post by unitspin on Aug 14, 2021 7:12:59 GMT -5
Whatever dalbec becomes, we can all agree it will be better then franchy mister AAA himself.
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 14, 2021 7:55:40 GMT -5
Dalbec over 1200 OPS since July30
Richards pitching very well out of the pen in 1st outing
Sale starting for the first time in an eternity
Sox scoring runs not strictly via the HR
Kiké turns into a very valuable leadoff hitter
Schwarber didn't blow out a tire in first game back
Sox losing streak and slump officially DONE
Time for a really strong end of season push, regaining 1st place with the deadline acquisitions making contributions and the bats coming back alive. You heard it here first!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 14, 2021 8:06:57 GMT -5
Dalbec over 1200 OPS since July30 Richards pitching very well out of the pen in 1st outing Sale starting for the first time in an eternity Sox scoring runs not strictly via the HR Kiké turns into a very valuable leadoff hitter Schwarber didn't blow out a tire in first game back Sox losing streak and slump officially DONE Time for a really strong end of season push, regaining 1st place with the deadline acquisitions making contributions and the bats coming back alive. You heard it here first! Playing the Orioles has a way of solving a lot of problems.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 14, 2021 8:07:38 GMT -5
Am i the only person who is willing to be patient with Bobby? Everyone’s always calling for his head. The poor kid has been the 9 hitter almost the whole season. He’s a rookie. Does everyone expect him to be rookie of the year? I figured .240 and 25 Homers would be a successful season for him. Seconded. He has days where he's short to the ball with a quick bat and others where he seems to be back to old habits. I still think he's going to be a .260/.350/.510 with 30+ HRs a year, at least. Hell, as bad as he's been he might get 20 bombs before the end of the season.
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 14, 2021 8:21:26 GMT -5
Dalbec over 1200 OPS since July30 Richards pitching very well out of the pen in 1st outing Sale starting for the first time in an eternity Sox scoring runs not strictly via the HR Kiké turns into a very valuable leadoff hitter Schwarber didn't blow out a tire in first game back Sox losing streak and slump officially DONE Time for a really strong end of season push, regaining 1st place with the deadline acquisitions making contributions and the bats coming back alive. You heard it here first! Playing the Orioles has a way of solving a lot of problems. Sure does, LOL, but who did they just lay a 20 burger on? The team in first place. The tide is turning.
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Post by manfred on Aug 14, 2021 8:49:41 GMT -5
Am i the only person who is willing to be patient with Bobby? Everyone’s always calling for his head. The poor kid has been the 9 hitter almost the whole season. He’s a rookie. Does everyone expect him to be rookie of the year? I figured .240 and 25 Homers would be a successful season for him. Seconded. He has days where he's short to the ball with a quick bat and others where he seems to be back to old habits. I still think he's going to be a .260/.350/.510 with 30+ HRs a year, at least. Hell, as bad as he's been he might get 20 bombs before the end of the season. At least??? So… ranging between all star and MVP votes? Wow. He’s been better. But I think it has been unusually patient to start (mostly) a rookie at a position while being last in the league there much of a season. I can’t remember so long a leash.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 14, 2021 9:02:12 GMT -5
Am i the only person who is willing to be patient with Bobby? Everyone’s always calling for his head. The poor kid has been the 9 hitter almost the whole season. He’s a rookie. Does everyone expect him to be rookie of the year? I figured .240 and 25 Homers would be a successful season for him. No you're not. I called for him to get 1k ML at bats before the season started. Many others are willing to be patient also. However, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. And around here the squeaky wheels are affixed to Sherman tanks.
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Post by jbuttah on Aug 14, 2021 9:19:28 GMT -5
I have to admit I'm absolutely shocked Dalbec has an OPS of 704 right now. I thought he'd be closer to 600 and on his way back to Worcester by now. Love to be wrong though, and hope he can continue into the stretch run.
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Post by cheers on Aug 14, 2021 9:25:11 GMT -5
And around here the squeaky wheels are affixed to Sherman tanks. This is fantastic, and I'm adding it to my vernacular. Thanks.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 14, 2021 9:25:38 GMT -5
Am i the only person who is willing to be patient with Bobby? Everyone’s always calling for his head. The poor kid has been the 9 hitter almost the whole season. He’s a rookie. Does everyone expect him to be rookie of the year? I figured .240 and 25 Homers would be a successful season for him. Seconded. He has days where he's short to the ball with a quick bat and others where he seems to be back to old habits. I still think he's going to be a .260/.350/.510 with 30+ HRs a year, at least. Hell, as bad as he's been he might get 20 bombs before the end of the season. Don't forget the 200+ Ks per year...
Maybe I'm the glass-half-empty guy here on Dalbec but I think we need to pump the brakes on his Cooperstown bandwagon after he crushed a couple barely-AAA Orioles ptichers -- a 28-yo rookie and a 30-yo rookie. These guys put the 'hurl' in hurlers. There is still way too much swing and miss in Dalbec's swiss-cheese bat and that didn't just go away because he got to play vs. BAL.
I get the benefit of patience but I also don't want to give anyone an extended try-out in a pennant race. If Schwarber can play 1B, I want him in there every day.
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