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8/20-8/22 Red Sox vs. Rangers Thread
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 21, 2021 21:40:32 GMT -5
Verdugo hits his 3,556th soft grounder to second base to end the game. Merciful this mess is over. Good...NIGHT. What will Cora have to say one wonders? It's really the only reason to tune into the post-game show. It must be killing him inside. It happens to the best of managers. It happened to Tito in 2011. Had a great team that just suddenly careened off the side of a mountain. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 21, 2021 21:42:37 GMT -5
No way Cora can be blamed except that he got the team into this mess by getting something magical out of a lousy team for half a year. Unfortunately he ran out of rabbits and the hat is empty. I just think people don't get it. This is a bad team. It always was. They had no business being over .500 let alone in first place. But they aren't this bad. This team had the distance to coast and instead, sank. Yeah, I don't think choking is a valid excuse for a team overachieving. I get that they aren't as good as they were playing and I know they're not as bad as they're playing now, but jeez, you just can't lose that kind of playoff lead. You just can't. |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 21, 2021 21:42:59 GMT -5
The radio guys post-game comments - "Yankees losses were painful, but tonight's game was the worst game of the season, and so ugly.
"The five errors, the baserunning blunders, plays that were not made.
"Worth talking about - starting rotation has been good, gave the team chances to win - was set up for ERod to get the team on a run, and this is a step in the wrong direction, though the D let him down. Also - some lack of effort moments - CVaz missing the tag lazily - key play that set the tone for the whole game.
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Post by homerdante on Aug 21, 2021 21:46:25 GMT -5
The radio guys post-game comments - "Yankees losses were painful, but tonight's game was the worst game of the season, and so ugly. "The five errors, the baserunning blunders, plays that were not made. "Worth talking about - starting rotation has been good, gave the team chances to win - was set up for ERod to get the team on a run, and this is a step in the wrong direction, though the D let him down. Also - some lack of effort moments - CVaz missing the tag lazily - key play that set the tone for the whole game. Ready to move on from CVaz too...so apathetic. At this point he should be a leader. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 21, 2021 21:47:21 GMT -5
If I am wrong, I will GLADLY eat crow ... but the Sox are done this year. Becoming obvious to me. I think they can win it all 100% next year. Unfortunately, they could have many of the same issues. Can Barnes close? Can Renfroe repeat this year? Can Dalbec play? Starters? CVaz? I think they *could* contend… but I think they will still be preseason 3 or 4 in the East. All barring huge offseason changes. I hope they trade Renfroe in the off-season. He's been wonderful and I'm afraid you might not get that again. CVaz they should have traded when he was clearly playing over his head after 2019. He was one of the best catchers in baseball and could have been had for a haul. It has really become a depressing season. I had all the faith in a 2013 level season. |
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Post by cdj on Aug 21, 2021 21:57:12 GMT -5
Yeah that tag play by Vazquez really set the tone. They simply didn’t show up tonight, not much more to say. It was little league crap from them
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Post by soxjim on Aug 21, 2021 22:11:30 GMT -5
I get that they aren't as good as they were playing and I know they're not as bad as they're playing now, but jeez, you just can't lose that kind of playoff lead. You just can't. Why not if you aren't that good and other teams in the division are better? |
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Post by incandenza on Aug 21, 2021 22:41:14 GMT -5
Had a nice evening out with some friends. Feeling great! Now to take a big sip of this nightcap beverage and check to see how the Red Sox did against the worst offense in the AL, who are starting one of the worst pitchers in the league...
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Post by orion09 on Aug 21, 2021 22:51:47 GMT -5
Had a nice evening out with some friends. Feeling great! Now to take a big sip of this nightcap beverage and check to see how the Red Sox did against the worst offense in the AL, who are starting one of the worst pitchers in the league... Good thing you have a drink |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 21, 2021 22:52:14 GMT -5
Had a nice evening out with some friends. Feeling great! Now to take a big sip of this nightcap beverage and check to see how the Red Sox did against the worst offense in the AL, who are starting one of the worst pitchers in the league... you are wicked!  |
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 22, 2021 3:24:19 GMT -5
A problem I first noticed last year and thought had gone away this year is a lack of leadership and real intensity from the team. And I don't put that on Cora, I know strange right. I really think Cora is not the problem and they never would have had the first half they did without him. I think it is the players, their is not a leader amongst them and zero fire when things aren't going well.
Maybe it is Sale but no position players. Hard for a pitcher to be that guy but someone needs to pull a Ortiz. Mookie would have been that guy.
This team may have played a over it's head in the 1st half but they are better than this and the lack of leadership will need to be addressed in the offseason, they lack character.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 22, 2021 4:48:14 GMT -5
Is it safe to come out from under the couch ?
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 22, 2021 5:18:48 GMT -5
Is it safe to come out from under the couch ? Doubt it.... I have chosen to avoid the game day thread for the most part during these losses, can't take the sky is falling level of discontent. Fortunately for me I completely enjoy the Sox when they are winning and when they are not I just move on and don't give it much thought. Years of conditioning has taught me I guess or the fact I love football season doesn't hurt. Hope all is well in the Philippines. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 22, 2021 6:48:16 GMT -5
Is it safe to come out from under the couch ? Doubt it.... I have chosen to avoid the game day thread for the most part during these losses, can't take the sky is falling level of discontent. Fortunately for me I completely enjoy the Sox when they are winning and when they are not I just move on and don't give it much thought. Years of conditioning has taught me I guess or the fact I love football season doesn't hurt. Hope all is well in the Philippines. I really didn't read the thread, watching the game pretty much said it all for the day. Going well here, thanks. ADD: I thought it was a catch. The sound was the ball hitting the web of the glove while it was against the wall. Stuff happens. |
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Aug 22, 2021 7:51:05 GMT -5
Are we seriously complaining about acquiring a guy who is smashing and hitting 4th right now, after a 6-0 shutout in which he got on in all 4 at bats? Can we not? Especially when the guy playing 1B actually played a pretty good game? Like honestly, do you just like being miserable? Just come out and be transparent if that’s the case I mean it’s pretty obvious why Schwarber isn’t in the field and at 1B yet but whatever. I guess we shouldn’t be happy with a .500 hitter because he’s hurting your fee fee’s by not playing 1B immediately after injury or something He’s a major positive impact on the team right now. Regardless of position. Point blank. Period. He was a positive impact against the 42-80 Rangers. Not really sure how Dalbec had a good game, he was 0-2 with a walk. Schwarber was really awesome when he was riding the bench in game 3 against the Yankees and didn't even get in to pinch hit. No, he's barely played and is a platooning DH and hasn't helped them win any games really. He's played 5 games for them and will continue to platoon at DH for the near future. I like the Schwarber acquisition in a vacuum. I think he's a needed bat, but he's been pretty useless to the team so far and now they're looking up at the 2nd Wild Card. Yeah, it's obvious why he isn't on 1B yet. It was obvious before they traded for an injured player, but yet the intention was to place an injured OFer in a position he's played all of 1 inning of. Here's the flip side to Schwarber being the DH and being awesome with the bat: JD Martinez DH - .303/.372/.575/.947 346 AB LF - .263/.309/.434/.743 76 AB RF - .143/.200/.143/.343 14 AB (90 ABs total when playing the OF) Splits are similar in 2020, though lower sampling. In 2018 and 2019 it was a different story, but he's also older and slower and is more prone to injury playing the field. He's not a good outfielder. Dalbec is not a good 1B in the field or with the bat. He can hit lefties half decently and should be used as a strict platoon. Name change required: Redsoxfan2 to Glasshalfempty2 |
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Post by cdj on Aug 22, 2021 7:56:27 GMT -5
It’s ok to be glass half empty after the pitiful display of baseball last night. That was the worst game of the year I think. Lifeless on a day everybody else won before them. Completely unacceptable, and that’s from somebody who considers himself an optimist
I’ve now changed my goalposts from sweep this series to “win every series from here on out”
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Aug 22, 2021 7:56:38 GMT -5
If I'm reading you correctly: 1) We can look at SSS splits in JD's batting line to determine that he's a worse hitter as a fielder than a DH, but we should dismiss the SSS fielding stats that say he's been a good left fielder. 2) Going 2-5 with a walk (.400/.500/.400) against the Yankees was a bad performance. 3) Getting on base by HBP doesn't count, and Dalbec's 122 wRC+ performance in yesterday's game was actually bad. 4) Dalbec gets no credit for moving a runner over and contributing to a run, but also Schwarber gets no credit for getting hits that didn't contribute to a run. 5) Dalbec is likely to regress toward a worse performance even though his xwOBA is still above his wOBA.
According to ESPN his dWAR is -0.6 which is tied for 180th player in baseball. Why doesn't the team just trout him out in the outfield all the time then? He does have the 3rd highest UZR in baseball in LF this year. He should be the every day LFer. Did I say it was a bad performance against the Yankees? No. I didn't. But he didn't get a run, an RBI, and got on base 3 out of 6 times he went up to the plate. Great. He did that in the 2 games he played when they played 3 against the Yankees. The game that completed the sweep of the Red Sox against a terrible right handed pitcher. Yeah, getting hit by a pitch is a non-factor for me. That's ridiculous that this is somehow considered a ney positive for a hitter, any hitter. He got hit by a pitch. He drew a walk, but still went 0-2 with a strike out. Great, he moved a runner over. That's what the Red Sox need in a 1B. He also, you know, misplayed a ball hit by Rizzo in that Yankees series. Dalbec is 26 years old, he's been terrible all year long until recently where he got on a hot streak, his k rate is still 36.0% and his bb% is 5.3% on the year. I don't think he's figured out the league in August. The Rangers are an awful, awful team. Much like the Orioles. Everyone should be putting up numbers. The starting pitcher was terrible and their lineup is garbage. Revised name change: Redsoxfan2 to Glass3/4empty2 |
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Aug 22, 2021 8:13:50 GMT -5
It’s ok to be glass half empty after the pitiful display of baseball last night. That was the worst game of the year I think. Lifeless on a day everybody else won before them. Completely unacceptable, and that’s from somebody who considers himself an optimist I’ve now changed my goalposts from sweep this series to “win every series from here on out” The problem is that Glasshalfempty is that way even when the Red Sox win! Look back at the thread. Complains about Schwarber in a 6-0 win, after getting on base 4 times, complains he was the DH, complains Schwarber is not playing 1B. Glasshalfempty searches for a negative continuously taking over the title of biggest downer from Manfred. |
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Post by cdj on Aug 22, 2021 8:33:39 GMT -5
Sox might get their game in, this ain’t bad at all
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Post by semsox on Aug 22, 2021 8:40:09 GMT -5
Already been postponed. Make-up tomorrow at 1
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Post by cdj on Aug 22, 2021 8:43:49 GMT -5
Already been postponed. Make-up tomorrow at 1 I am perhaps the biggest moosh alive |
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 22, 2021 8:45:22 GMT -5
A problem I first noticed last year and thought had gone away this year is a lack of leadership and real intensity from the team. And I don't put that on Cora, I know strange right. I really think Cora is not the problem and they never would have had the first half they did without him. I think it is the players, their is not a leader amongst them and zero fire when things aren't going well. Maybe it is Sale but no position players. Hard for a pitcher to be that guy but someone needs to pull a Ortiz. Mookie would have been that guy. This team may have played a over it's head in the 1st half but they are better than this and the lack of leadership will need to be addressed in the offseason, they lack character. Cora is pretty much blame less in this situation. Players are human beings not computer simulations. They were clearly negatviely affected by the trade deadline and its spiraled into this since. Theres obviously the factor of them playing over their heads for a while too. The one guy they got didn't play for a few weeks. To his credit since coming back hes hitting almost .500 but is currently not an every day player and has played exclusively the outfield or DH. The pen is currently occupied by Robles and Davis both of whom didn't look that hot vs Texas even though there was no real damage done on Friday. The real issue is how the FO approached the deadline and how the players reached to it. Not Cora's fault at all IMO he's AL Manager of the year. He's just caught in the middle of this. |
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Post by greenmonster on Aug 22, 2021 8:47:26 GMT -5
Central CT: 9:45am not much happening here weather wise. No rain, slightly breezy, sun peeking thru the clouds. Certainly doesn't feel like a direct hit...where did Henri go?
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Post by manfred on Aug 22, 2021 8:57:11 GMT -5
A problem I first noticed last year and thought had gone away this year is a lack of leadership and real intensity from the team. And I don't put that on Cora, I know strange right. I really think Cora is not the problem and they never would have had the first half they did without him. I think it is the players, their is not a leader amongst them and zero fire when things aren't going well. Maybe it is Sale but no position players. Hard for a pitcher to be that guy but someone needs to pull a Ortiz. Mookie would have been that guy. This team may have played a over it's head in the 1st half but they are better than this and the lack of leadership will need to be addressed in the offseason, they lack character. I was wondering about this. I didn’t know if anyone had a sense that there might be someone less obvious who could call a players only meeting and fire them up. Xander doesn’t *seem* like that guy, but it is hard to say. Who is the “captain” on this team? But that said, I don’t know if it matters. The moments when a veteran lights a team up are legendary, but this is a team with many veteran guys who are making boneheaded plays. Would an Ortiz harangue get CVaz to run the bases better? I don’t know. Maybe guys would focus? I don’t know. This rainout might help. Take a day off, get away from baseball for 24 hours, try to come back and start again. They’ve looked so tight. A break might be huge. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 22, 2021 9:03:45 GMT -5
A problem I first noticed last year and thought had gone away this year is a lack of leadership and real intensity from the team. And I don't put that on Cora, I know strange right. I really think Cora is not the problem and they never would have had the first half they did without him. I think it is the players, their is not a leader amongst them and zero fire when things aren't going well. Maybe it is Sale but no position players. Hard for a pitcher to be that guy but someone needs to pull a Ortiz. Mookie would have been that guy. This team may have played a over it's head in the 1st half but they are better than this and the lack of leadership will need to be addressed in the offseason, they lack character. I was wondering about this. I didn’t know if anyone had a sense that there might be someone less obvious who could call a players only meeting and fire them up. Xander doesn’t *seem* like that guy, but it is hard to say. Who is the “captain” on this team? But that said, I don’t know if it matters. The moments when a veteran lights a team up are legendary, but this is a team with many veteran guys who are making boneheaded plays. Would an Ortiz harangue get CVaz to run the bases better? I don’t know. Maybe guys would focus? I don’t know. This rainout might help. Take a day off, get away from baseball for 24 hours, try to come back and start again. They’ve looked so tight. A break might be huge. Ortiz was a great leader but even he was powerless to stop the collapse of 2011. More than words a key RBI chance he missed in the 9th inning of Game 162 might have made a difference. I've come to the conclusion that sometimes you can talk to you're blue in the face and it doesnt matter. Did Chris Sale yelling at teammates in the 7th inning of Game 4 of the World Series wake the Sox bats up or was it simply Rich Hill being taken out of the game? Or both? Who knows? |
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