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8/20-8/22 Red Sox vs. Rangers Thread
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Post by manfred on Aug 20, 2021 21:27:21 GMT -5
I’m not diminishing the Sox… they played well, Sale is progressing etc. But my take away is how stunningly bad the Rangers are. Embarrassing.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 20, 2021 21:27:23 GMT -5
Great googly-moogly. Kimbrel throws 15 pitches, 5 strikes. Ugh. They got 5 years of Madrigal for him lol I did say they're going to regret that trade. I think that'll be one of the few times I'm right about something.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 20, 2021 21:27:45 GMT -5
in the books... 70th win. 38 games to go...they are all important. Let's do it again tomorrow.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 20, 2021 21:33:29 GMT -5
Good and needed win against an awful team. Anything less than a sweep will be disappointing....or anything less than a win tomorrow as I suspect extreme weather will prevent Sunday's game.
The Red Sox looked great again against a cellar dweller who has already packed in their season and has nothing to play for other than draft position.
You can only play the team on your schedule and Sale looked good. Doesn't do much to make me feel any better about the past 3 weeks. Nor does Minnesota being Minnesota against NY do much to help. Maybe the SF Giants can beat Oakland
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Post by orion09 on Aug 20, 2021 22:03:53 GMT -5
Well, the White Sox came back and hung on, so we gained a game on the Rays. Unfortunately, the Twins are still doing Twin things, so we didn't gain a game on the Yankees.
Believe it or not, we're still on a 91.5-win pace
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 20, 2021 22:18:38 GMT -5
I think at this point the A's are probably the most important team to watch on the scoreboard.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 20, 2021 22:27:07 GMT -5
How doesn't it make sense? He's suppose to replace the weakest position, 1B. That is what he was acquired for. Instead, he's splitting DH duties with JD Martinez who is making the overall outfield defense much worse and isn't as good of a hitter when he's out there. Your claims “he was supposed to” and “he was acquired to” do not match up with any evidence, based on what the team has said. He was acquired to help the offense, with the hope but not the certainty that he might be able to play 1b, but probably not right away because of his injury. So he was acquired to occasionally play as the team's 2nd DH when they had a black hole at 1B? They got him to be their 1B. Yes, he gives himself an out to say, "if it doesn't work out", but his presence doesn't make much sense without him taking over LF or 1B. I wanted Schwarber+ a 1B in an ideal world, but am OK if he is the 1B.
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Post by cdj on Aug 20, 2021 22:37:25 GMT -5
Are we seriously complaining about acquiring a guy who is smashing and hitting 4th right now, after a 6-0 shutout in which he got on in all 4 at bats? Can we not? Especially when the guy playing 1B actually played a pretty good game? Like honestly, do you just like being miserable? Just come out and be transparent if that’s the case
I mean it’s pretty obvious why Schwarber isn’t in the field and at 1B yet but whatever. I guess we shouldn’t be happy with a .500 hitter because he’s hurting your fee fee’s by not playing 1B immediately after injury or something
He’s a major positive impact on the team right now. Regardless of position. Point blank. Period.
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Post by manfred on Aug 20, 2021 22:39:19 GMT -5
Are we seriously complaining about acquiring a guy who is smashing and hitting 4th right now, after a 6-0 shutout in which he got on in all 4 at bats? Can we not? Especially when the guy playing 1B actually played a pretty good game? Like honestly, do you just like being miserable? Just come out and be transparent if that’s the case I mean it’s pretty obvious why Schwarber isn’t in the field and at 1B yet but whatever. I guess we shouldn’t be happy with a .500 hitter because he’s hurting your fee fee’s by not playing 1B immediately after injury or something He’s a major positive impact on the team right now. Regardless of position. Point blank. Period. I enjoy watching him hit. So… thumbs up.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 20, 2021 23:07:17 GMT -5
Great googly-moogly. Kimbrel throws 15 pitches, 5 strikes. Ugh. See, if the White Sox had consulted me, here's what I would have told them: Kimbrel is great in the pristine laboratory-like conditions of a clean 9th inning save opportunity. Bring him in with runners on and he wilts. Bring him in in a tie game and he is useless. 8th inning? He will be discombobulated, confused, unable to identify the name of the current president or his own whereabouts. He is the most brittle great pitcher I have ever seen.
They were asking for trouble with Hendriks already in the closer role. It was all very foreseeable.
In other news... The Blue Jays are low-key face-planting. 2-7 in their last 9. They've been so bad they're still 5 games behind the Red Sox, and 10.5 out of first. Down to a 12% chance to make the play-in game.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 20, 2021 23:17:37 GMT -5
The team leader in season OPS, wRC+, wOBA, xwOBA, ISO, and BB% is Kyle Schwarber.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 20, 2021 23:20:12 GMT -5
By the way, I was absolutely shocked when I saw who has the second best BB% on the team. Any guesses?
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Post by reasonabledoubt on Aug 20, 2021 23:37:27 GMT -5
By the way, I was absolutely shocked when I saw who has the second best BB% on the team. Any guesses? Kiké?
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Post by incandenza on Aug 20, 2021 23:57:13 GMT -5
By the way, I was absolutely shocked when I saw who has the second best BB% on the team. Any guesses? Kiké? Yep! Here is a complete list of Red Sox players with a 10%+ walk rate:
-Schwarber (11.2%) -Kiké (10.2%)
The Yankees have 9 guys at 10% or higher with 100+ PAs, and that doesn't include Joey Gallo. The Rays have 6 and the Blue Jays have 3.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 21, 2021 1:06:20 GMT -5
Are we seriously complaining about acquiring a guy who is smashing and hitting 4th right now, after a 6-0 shutout in which he got on in all 4 at bats? Can we not? Especially when the guy playing 1B actually played a pretty good game? Like honestly, do you just like being miserable? Just come out and be transparent if that’s the case I mean it’s pretty obvious why Schwarber isn’t in the field and at 1B yet but whatever. I guess we shouldn’t be happy with a .500 hitter because he’s hurting your fee fee’s by not playing 1B immediately after injury or something He’s a major positive impact on the team right now. Regardless of position. Point blank. Period. He was a positive impact against the 42-80 Rangers. Not really sure how Dalbec had a good game, he was 0-2 with a walk. Schwarber was really awesome when he was riding the bench in game 3 against the Yankees and didn't even get in to pinch hit. No, he's barely played and is a platooning DH and hasn't helped them win any games really. He's played 5 games for them and will continue to platoon at DH for the near future. I like the Schwarber acquisition in a vacuum. I think he's a needed bat, but he's been pretty useless to the team so far and now they're looking up at the 2nd Wild Card. Yeah, it's obvious why he isn't on 1B yet. It was obvious before they traded for an injured player, but yet the intention was to place an injured OFer in a position he's played all of 1 inning of. Here's the flip side to Schwarber being the DH and being awesome with the bat: JD Martinez DH - .303/.372/.575/.947 346 AB LF - .263/.309/.434/.743 76 AB RF - .143/.200/.143/.343 14 AB (90 ABs total when playing the OF) Splits are similar in 2020, though lower sampling. In 2018 and 2019 it was a different story, but he's also older and slower and is more prone to injury playing the field. He's not a good outfielder. Dalbec is not a good 1B in the field or with the bat. He can hit lefties half decently and should be used as a strict platoon.
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Post by jimoh on Aug 21, 2021 6:41:00 GMT -5
Your claims “he was supposed to” and “he was acquired to” do not match up with any evidence, based on what the team has said. He was acquired to help the offense, with the hope but not the certainty that he might be able to play 1b, but probably not right away because of his injury. So he was acquired to occasionally play as the team's 2nd DH when they had a black hole at 1B? They got him to be their 1B. Yes, he gives himself an out to say, "if it doesn't work out", but his presence doesn't make much sense without him taking over LF or 1B. I wanted Schwarber+ a 1B in an ideal world, but am OK if he is the 1B. Your quote supports my claim rather than yours. Bloom says they got him to help the lineup, and maybe maybe maybe work out at first base. But last night Cora said we hit him to play first base
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Post by Guidas on Aug 21, 2021 6:51:09 GMT -5
Great win!
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Post by cdj on Aug 21, 2021 7:17:30 GMT -5
Are we seriously complaining about acquiring a guy who is smashing and hitting 4th right now, after a 6-0 shutout in which he got on in all 4 at bats? Can we not? Especially when the guy playing 1B actually played a pretty good game? Like honestly, do you just like being miserable? Just come out and be transparent if that’s the case I mean it’s pretty obvious why Schwarber isn’t in the field and at 1B yet but whatever. I guess we shouldn’t be happy with a .500 hitter because he’s hurting your fee fee’s by not playing 1B immediately after injury or something He’s a major positive impact on the team right now. Regardless of position. Point blank. Period. He was a positive impact against the 42-80 Rangers. Not really sure how Dalbec had a good game, he was 0-2 with a walk. Schwarber was really awesome when he was riding the bench in game 3 against the Yankees and didn't even get in to pinch hit. No, he's barely played and is a platooning DH and hasn't helped them win any games really. He's played 5 games for them and will continue to platoon at DH for the near future. I like the Schwarber acquisition in a vacuum. I think he's a needed bat, but he's been pretty useless to the team so far and now they're looking up at the 2nd Wild Card. Yeah, it's obvious why he isn't on 1B yet. It was obvious before they traded for an injured player, but yet the intention was to place an injured OFer in a position he's played all of 1 inning of. Here's the flip side to Schwarber being the DH and being awesome with the bat: JD Martinez DH - .303/.372/.575/.947 346 AB LF - .263/.309/.434/.743 76 AB RF - .143/.200/.143/.343 14 AB (90 ABs total when playing the OF) Splits are similar in 2020, though lower sampling. In 2018 and 2019 it was a different story, but he's also older and slower and is more prone to injury playing the field. He's not a good outfielder. Dalbec is not a good 1B in the field or with the bat. He can hit lefties half decently and should be used as a strict platoon. What were his numbers before last night? He’s a positive impact in the lineup no matter who he’s against. Unless your argument is that he can only be a positive impact if they’re winning….which would be quite the argument. Poor mike trout has never made a positive impact once in his career apparently Dalbec had 3 productive at bats last night. If you didn’t watch the game and are only box score scouting just say it. Walk, HBP, moved Duran over with a fly out to right. Duran came home the next AB on a ground out Also lol at you disregarding the last two full seasons that prove the opposite of your point. Implying that he’s older and broken down when he’s having his best year in the field to date is a little weird despite that play in RF the other night he’s been a solid defender this year, particularly in LF. And he’ll be back to DHing plenty when the .500 hitter you’re crying about being in the lineup is healthy enough to play the field
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Post by greatscottcooper on Aug 21, 2021 7:26:04 GMT -5
So who has the highest OPS on the Sox, I don’t see it I forgot. I dunno, but whoever that guy is I’m sure happy he’s in our lineup, he’s going to really help us win.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 21, 2021 8:51:41 GMT -5
Apropos nothing, I wonder how all the AL East trade deadline acquisitions are doing with their new teams, hmm, let's check the fWAR totals:
Kyle Schwarber: 0.3 Jose Berrios: 0.3 Clay Holmes: 0.3
Anthony Rizzo: 0.2 Austin Davis: 0.1 Hansel Robles: 0.1
Joey Gallo: 0.0 Nelson Cruz: -0.1 Brad Hand: -0.4 Andrew Heaney: -0.4
Totals Red Sox: 0.5 Yankees: 0.1 Rays: -0.1 Jays: -0.1
Well I'll be.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 21, 2021 8:53:42 GMT -5
So who has the highest OPS on the Sox, I don’t see it I forgot. I dunno, but whoever that guy is I’m sure happy he’s in our lineup, he’s going to really help us win. Good. Hopefully the guy with the highest OPS can play a competent 1b so they can remove a guy from the lineup who has one of the lowest OPS in the lineup, instead of having to sit a decent OPS guy, and stop using a DH in the outfield. Also wish our manager hadn't sat our highest OPS guy in the final game of the Yankees series or at least would have pinch-hit him, in a game which they needed to win. I like our highest OPS guy in the lineup. Would like to see his bat in the lineup every day.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 21, 2021 9:20:43 GMT -5
Apropos nothing, I wonder how all the AL East trade deadline acquisitions are doing with their new teams, hmm, let's check the fWAR totals: Kyle Schwarber: 0.3 Jose Berrios: 0.3 Clay Holmes: 0.3
Anthony Rizzo: 0.2 Austin Davis: 0.1 Hansel Robles: 0.1
Joey Gallo: 0.0 Nelson Cruz: -0.1 Brad Hand: -0.4 Andrew Heaney: -0.4 Totals Red Sox: 0.5 Yankees: 0.1 Rays: -0.1 Jays: -0.1 Well I'll be.
I freely admit I know next to nothing about Fwar, but how does Robles have positive fwar and the guy who hurled 7 strong innings even though he is a lousy pitcher in Heaney have negative war. Wouldn't you say Heaney had positive impact in an important game that put NY ahead of Boston. 0.2 for Rizzo? Would you say he was a big part of that important final game win, too? Without him or Heaney they don't win a game. At this point of the season no fwar is going to be huge either way. A guy can hit a 2 run single to win a game in the bottom of the 9th but it won't account for much in fwar and it might make him look like he contributed nothing. At this point I don't think fwar means much of anything. It's more like is the guy contributing to winning. I'm not disputing your numbers. If you want to tell me the Sox got the best offensive bat at the deadline, I'll buy that. I just don't know that fwar is really telling us anything meaningful. Schwarber has been fantastic, as much as one can be in about 15 - 20 plate appearances, but the impact hasn't been there - and before you jump on me, it's not his fault. Him not even getting a PH appearance in that final game was tough. Not his fault Cora didn't give him a shot, but it's hard to be impactful when you're not playing or up in key situations that impact the game one way or another.
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Post by cdj on Aug 21, 2021 9:23:02 GMT -5
Apropos nothing, I wonder how all the AL East trade deadline acquisitions are doing with their new teams, hmm, let's check the fWAR totals: Kyle Schwarber: 0.3 Jose Berrios: 0.3 Clay Holmes: 0.3
Anthony Rizzo: 0.2 Austin Davis: 0.1 Hansel Robles: 0.1
Joey Gallo: 0.0 Nelson Cruz: -0.1 Brad Hand: -0.4 Andrew Heaney: -0.4 Totals Red Sox: 0.5 Yankees: 0.1 Rays: -0.1 Jays: -0.1 Well I'll be.
I freely admit I know next to nothing about Fwar, but how does Robles have positive fwar and the guy who hurled 7 strong innings even though he is a lousy pitcher in Heaney have negative war. Wouldn't you say Heaney had positive impact in an important game that put NY ahead of Boston. 0.2 for Rizzo? Would you say he was a big part of that important final game win, too? Without him or Heaney they don't win a game. At this point of the season no fwar is going to be huge either way. A guy can hit a 2 run single to win a game in the bottom of the 9th but it won't account for much in fwar and it might make him look like he contributed nothing. At this point I don't think fwar means much of anything. It's more like is the guy contributing to winning. I'm not disputing your numbers. If you want to tell me the Sox got the best offensive bat at the deadline, I'll buy that. I just don't know that fwar is really telling us anything meaningful. Schwarber has been fantastic, as much as one can be in about 15 - 20 plate appearances, but the impact hasn't been there - and before you jump on me, it's not his fault. Him not even getting a PH appearance in that final game was tough. Not his fault Cora didn't give him a shot, but it's hard to impactful when you're not playing or up in key situations that impact the game one way or another. Just talking about Heaney but even with him shutting us down his ERA as a starter is 6.55 with a FIP that’s even worse. So that’s why he’s worse than Robles
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 21, 2021 9:27:44 GMT -5
I freely admit I know next to nothing about Fwar, but how does Robles have positive fwar and the guy who hurled 7 strong innings even though he is a lousy pitcher in Heaney have negative war. Wouldn't you say Heaney had positive impact in an important game that put NY ahead of Boston. 0.2 for Rizzo? Would you say he was a big part of that important final game win, too? Without him or Heaney they don't win a game. At this point of the season no fwar is going to be huge either way. A guy can hit a 2 run single to win a game in the bottom of the 9th but it won't account for much in fwar and it might make him look like he contributed nothing. At this point I don't think fwar means much of anything. It's more like is the guy contributing to winning. I'm not disputing your numbers. If you want to tell me the Sox got the best offensive bat at the deadline, I'll buy that. I just don't know that fwar is really telling us anything meaningful. Schwarber has been fantastic, as much as one can be in about 15 - 20 plate appearances, but the impact hasn't been there - and before you jump on me, it's not his fault. Him not even getting a PH appearance in that final game was tough. Not his fault Cora didn't give him a shot, but it's hard to impactful when you're not playing or up in key situations that impact the game one way or another. Just talking about Heaney but even with him shutting us down his ERA as a starter is 6.55 with a FIP that’s even worse. So that’s why he’s worse than Robles I get that he's a torch, except when he faced the Sox in that key game that put the Yankees ahead of the Sox. I guess Robles looks better because he's only a 1 inning arsonist rather than a 4 inning one.
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Post by cdj on Aug 21, 2021 9:28:41 GMT -5
Just talking about Heaney but even with him shutting us down his ERA as a starter is 6.55 with a FIP that’s even worse. So that’s why he’s worse than Robles I get that he's a torch, except when he faced the Sox in that key game that put the Yankees ahead of the Sox. I guess Robles looks better because he's only a 1 inning arsonist rather than a 4 inning one. Exactly, he doesn’t get to impact the game as much because he fortunately only sucks for an inning at a time
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