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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 11, 2021 20:12:35 GMT -5
My, our bullpen is not top flight.
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Post by cdj on Sept 11, 2021 20:12:51 GMT -5
Nice to give it up in the 4th and not the 8th! Glass half full!
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Post by soxfan511 on Sept 11, 2021 20:13:15 GMT -5
Remember when people thought signing Richards was good? Then they thought he sucked? Then thought he’d found it? Then he couldn’t use sticky stuff? Then hr had a couple good relief appearances? He sucks. We traded away some studs in the past year. Did we get any young pitchers in return that look like big leaguers?
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Post by aznpopsical on Sept 11, 2021 20:13:34 GMT -5
we just don't have it this year, which is okay
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Post by brad7434419 on Sept 11, 2021 20:14:13 GMT -5
Soxfan511...I couldn't agree more. Where the heck is this scouting report coming from. He has a high school fastball and is ranked #8 in the system? Is our system really that bad that this guy is #8 at 25 years old? Wow.
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Post by cdj on Sept 11, 2021 20:15:35 GMT -5
some of you are insufferable
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Post by congusgambler33 on Sept 11, 2021 20:15:43 GMT -5
Walk,error,Baltimore chop,walk then a bases clearing double and then another double..Instant tie game.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 11, 2021 20:16:38 GMT -5
With the exception of Whitlock, our pen arms have issues throwing strikes. We just continually get killed by so many walks.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Sept 11, 2021 20:16:38 GMT -5
I've said it before in a different thread but I'll say it again (why? because we like you): I think there's going to be a roster overhaul this off-season to fix the defense.
For example: Let JD walk, let Schwarber walk, make Raffy the full-time DH, and fill in the holes with guys who can actually catch the ball.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Sept 11, 2021 20:17:21 GMT -5
Seibold is the definition of an AAAA pitcher. Highly Disappointing. And to think his scouting on this site gives him a ceiling of a “number 3 or 4” with an 87 MPH fastball with no movement while groomes ceiling is now called “back end fringe starter”. Despite throwing 94 mph with big time late life on his fastball Look, we get it, you like Groome and you're going to ignore whatever context or reason you need to ignore to hammer your hype of the guys you like. But serious question, and you'll have to use your head for this one - do you think the SP staff just straight up lied about Seabold's scouting report, or does this seem like an abnormally bad outing for him? Which do you think is more likely? Not saying SP is infallible but they very obviously know more about this stuff than you so let's maybe not react to miniscule samples.
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Post by cdj on Sept 11, 2021 20:18:19 GMT -5
Seibold is the definition of an AAAA pitcher. Highly Disappointing. And to think his scouting on this site gives him a ceiling of a “number 3 or 4” with an 87 MPH fastball with no movement while groomes ceiling is now called “back end fringe starter”. Despite throwing 94 mph with big time late life on his fastball Look, we get it, you like Groome and you're going to ignore whatever context or reason you need to ignore to hammer your hype of the guys you like. But serious question, and you'll have to use your head for this one - do you think the SP staff just straight up lied about Seabold's scouting report, or does this seem like an abnormally bad outing for him? Which do you think is more likely? Not saying SP is infallible but they very obviously know more about this stuff than you so let's maybe not react to miniscule samples. On top of that I must be missing this 87 mph fastball people keep talking about, he was mostly sitting 90/91. Which is down from where he was, which those posters would have known that this is where he’s been lately if they listen to the guys’ content that they’re criticizing
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Sept 11, 2021 20:18:44 GMT -5
some of you are insufferable The massive, melodramatic overreaction and hyperbole by so many people on this forum is why I typically stay off the game day threads. There are first grade classes that approach things more reasonably.
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Post by elp51 on Sept 11, 2021 20:19:29 GMT -5
Now we get the White Sox bullpen which throws 96-101 ridiculous how good they are… Let’s go Boston need to win this game.
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Post by greenmonster on Sept 11, 2021 20:19:42 GMT -5
Seibold is the definition of an AAAA pitcher. Highly Disappointing. And to think his scouting on this site gives him a ceiling of a “number 3 or 4” with an 87 MPH fastball with no movement while groomes ceiling is now called “back end fringe starter”. Despite throwing 94 mph with big time late life on his fastball Ya, definitely disappointing. I get he was maybe nervous and is probably better than he showed. I know, small sample size, etc but I didn't see anything that looked like an "out pitch" Second highly touted prospect (Duran) to be less than impressive.
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Post by aznpopsical on Sept 11, 2021 20:20:27 GMT -5
this white sox broadcast team is funny
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Post by congusgambler33 on Sept 11, 2021 20:23:55 GMT -5
You are right. this team has very good offense, but the defense is woeful and needs to be overhauled. I am all for Devers being the DH,
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Sept 11, 2021 20:24:22 GMT -5
With the exception of Whitlock, our pen arms have issues throwing strikes. We just continually get killed by so many walks. Whitlock has had his own struggles the past month... (13.2 IP, 14 H, 7 ER)
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Post by elp51 on Sept 11, 2021 20:24:53 GMT -5
The starters going 4 or 5 innings forcing what was a solid bullpen early in the year contributed to this downfall. Yes the sticky stuff hurt Barnes but so did the overuse early in the year with crappy pitching from Perez, E-Rod, and Richards. Hopefully with bullpen arms coming back from COVID and Whitlock/Taylor doing what they do things will get better in these final weeks.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 11, 2021 20:25:18 GMT -5
Where could we find a pitcher like Kopech? Oh, wait.....
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Post by elp51 on Sept 11, 2021 20:25:59 GMT -5
The teams D has to be killing Cora.
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Post by cdj on Sept 11, 2021 20:33:57 GMT -5
Hung more than a horse
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 11, 2021 20:38:18 GMT -5
This game feels like forever already. It is clear that Brasier is not the answer - just another slightly better than mediocre arm among many. We have four more shots to get runs, but will/can we?
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Post by aznpopsical on Sept 11, 2021 20:38:48 GMT -5
who are the above average defenders on our team, Kiké and renfroe and that's it right?
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Post by elp51 on Sept 11, 2021 20:39:00 GMT -5
I don’t know why all the Connor Seabold disdain tonight. Is he a fire baller? No, but some guys named Greg Maddux and Adam Wainwright dominated with mediocre fastballs. Connor is also coming off a major injury and made his big league debut tonight. His minor league comps are that of a 3-5 starter range. It’s quite obvious that the organization has a shortage of young stud arms but Bloom and the organization is trying to change that. I’m guessing that the defense and signing power arms in the offseason will be a top priority not much they can do right now. See what Seabold, Crawford, etc. can do. I like Houck and Whitlock in the rotation next year with Sale, Pivetta, and FA signing.
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 11, 2021 20:41:04 GMT -5
Having Kopech go multiple innings when he threw 20 pitches yesterday and you have nothing to play for is nuts
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