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Post by iakovos11 on Sept 24, 2021 7:10:40 GMT -5
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Sept 24, 2021 10:13:47 GMT -5
DSL: Is it a pennant race or playoff race?
They're having playoffs? After 10/02?
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Sept 24, 2021 12:27:50 GMT -5
Nice to see Winckowski get a look at the next level.
A wide-angle look at his season shows that in 22 AA starts he's had the following results:
6 starts with 0-1 ER allowed
5 starts with 4+ ER
8 starts with 6+ IP
5 starts with < 4 IP
8 starts with 5+ K
13 starts with 0-1 BB
3 starts with 4 BB
Solid results. More good than bad. No injuries. Took the ball every time his turn came around.
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Post by radiohix on Sept 24, 2021 13:43:03 GMT -5
Personally I’ve stopped looking to MiLB pitchers ERA for a few years now, all I care about is strikeouts and walks meaning Do they have good stuff? And can they control/command it?
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Post by threeifbaerga on Sept 24, 2021 14:17:49 GMT -5
Personally I’ve stopped looking to MiLB pitchers for a few years now, all I care about is strikeouts and walks meaning Do they have good stuff? And can they control/command it? Where's the fun in that |
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Post by sittingstill on Sept 24, 2021 15:35:56 GMT -5
WooSox pitching staff opting for fun, Halloween-style.
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Post by radiohix on Sept 24, 2021 15:43:58 GMT -5
WooSox pitching staff opting for fun, Halloween-style. Bazardo is like “Nah, this s*** is too locco for me” 😂 |
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Post by widewordofsport on Sept 24, 2021 17:34:56 GMT -5
Personally I’ve stopped looking to MiLB pitchers for a few years now, all I care about is strikeouts and walks meaning Do they have good stuff? And can they control/command it? I think I'm mostly with this. If you cant miss bats in AA you won't make it in the majors. And Winck is more borderline...I don't think they'll expose Winckowski, but I think protecting him will cost them someone I like more. |
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Post by RedSoxStats on Sept 24, 2021 18:46:16 GMT -5
Personally I’ve stopped looking to MiLB pitchers ERA for a few years now, all I care about is strikeouts and walks meaning Do they have good stuff? And can they control/command it? Yes. Also Portland may have had the most pathetic defensive team in minor league baseball history this year. ERA is more than meaningless for those guys. |
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Post by iakovos11 on Sept 24, 2021 19:00:22 GMT -5
Personally I’ve stopped looking to MiLB pitchers for a few years now, all I care about is strikeouts and walks meaning Do they have good stuff? And can they control/command it? I think I'm mostly with this. If you cant miss bats in AA you won't make it in the majors. And Winck is more borderline...I don't think they'll expose Winckowski, but I think protecting him will cost them someone I like more. Winckowski through 4, no hits, no walks, 5K's. Looking good tonight. 13 batters, 12 outs (HBP). Those are good K/BB numbers for those focused on that. We'll see how it goes going forward. If they protect him, it won't cost them someone they like more. |
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Post by cdj on Sept 24, 2021 19:39:55 GMT -5
Personally I’ve stopped looking to MiLB pitchers ERA for a few years now, all I care about is strikeouts and walks meaning Do they have good stuff? And can they control/command it? Yes. Also Portland may have had the most pathetic defensive team in minor league baseball history this year. ERA is more than meaningless for those guys. What Castellanos getting a look in CF doesn’t do it for you?  That defense matters for a guy who gets a lot of grounders like Winck does |
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Post by cdj on Sept 24, 2021 19:43:33 GMT -5
6 innings- 3 hits- 2 runs- 0 BB- 6 K for Winck’s AAA debut
Must Protect. I think that was just emphatically slammed home.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 24, 2021 20:36:52 GMT -5
Hmm ...... Worcester shut out, with Casas walked 3 times. Even a short time after promotion, folks are treating him with respect???
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 25, 2021 9:07:36 GMT -5
Hmm ...... Worcester shut out, with Casas walked 3 times. Even a short time after promotion, folks are treating him with respect??? Dude took 97 on the black outside from one of the best pitchers in the minors out the opposite way. That one pitch alone was probably sufficient to earn him respect. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 25, 2021 9:07:53 GMT -5
DSL: Is it a pennant race or playoff race? They're having playoffs? After 10/02? No playoffs. |
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Sept 25, 2021 11:15:43 GMT -5
Personally I’ve stopped looking to MiLB pitchers ERA for a few years now, all I care about is strikeouts and walks meaning Do they have good stuff? And can they control/command it? I care about pitchers working quickly, changing speeds, keeping the batter off-balance, commanding the strike zone, throwing strikes. I also care about weak contact, keeping the ball in the yard, how a guy works with men on base, and being able to get a ground ball when he needs one.
I think K/BB is useful to look at but I also think that there's a lot more to it than that, some of which is actually reflected in descriptive (rather than predictive) stats like ERA. [N.B. I don't really care about Winckowski's 4.25 ERA as much as I care about how often he has good starts vs. bad starts, with caveats for things like working on a pitch or being governed by pitch counts that are not always obvious.]
A guy who had six starts out of 22 where he gave up zero or one earned run and 11 more in which he gave up 2 or 3 earned runs without eye-popping K/BB numbers probably did some of the things that I listed above, which makes me want to pay attention to him at the next level and perhaps even watch a start or two if I get the chance.
IMO, the problem with the big K guys, even if they don't walk too many, is that they become reliant on the K and if they can't miss bats in the Show, their gaudy numbers in the minors mean nothing. Give me a pitcher over a thrower every time.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Sept 25, 2021 11:16:36 GMT -5
Hmm ...... Worcester shut out, with Casas walked 3 times. Even a short time after promotion, folks are treating him with respect??? Dude took 97 on the black outside from one of the best pitchers in the minors out the opposite way. That one pitch alone was probably sufficient to earn him respect. No wonder Bobby D is taking grounders at 2B... |
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