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Post by aznpopsical on Oct 7, 2021 22:13:51 GMT -5
Middlebrooks tweeted it looks like his wrist. It looks like the injury Ortiz had in 2008, wasn’t that a sheath tendon or something (don’t think it was just a hamate). Totally sucks If that really is the case, which the club should know by now, why are we playing him
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Post by curtisw on Oct 7, 2021 22:15:02 GMT -5
Middlebrooks tweeted it looks like his wrist. It looks like the injury Ortiz had in 2008, wasn’t that a sheath tendon or something (don’t think it was just a hamate). Totally sucks If that really is the case, which the club should know by now, why are we playing him I assume he is telling them he can play through it and he is our best player and he will get the off-season to recover so they are saying to go for it?
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Post by soxfaninnj on Oct 7, 2021 22:15:33 GMT -5
It’s a best of 5 let’s make the necessary adjustments and come back tomorrow.
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Post by aznpopsical on Oct 7, 2021 22:15:37 GMT -5
If that really is the case, which the club should know by now, why are we playing him I assume he is telling them he can play through it and he is our best player and he will get the off-season to recover so they are saying to go for it? Which is dumb af
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Post by soxinsf on Oct 7, 2021 22:15:43 GMT -5
How many did Dugie swing at out of the strike zone?
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Post by taiwansox on Oct 7, 2021 22:16:03 GMT -5
Middlebrooks tweeted it looks like his wrist. It looks like the injury Ortiz had in 2008, wasn’t that a sheath tendon or something (don’t think it was just a hamate). Totally sucks If that really is the case, which the club should know by now, why are we playing him We don’t really have any other options, I’d have to imagine it’s inflamed so they probably can’t get a good sense of where it’s at with an MRI
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Post by cdj on Oct 7, 2021 22:16:08 GMT -5
Middlebrooks tweeted it looks like his wrist. It looks like the injury Ortiz had in 2008, wasn’t that a sheath tendon or something (don’t think it was just a hamate). Totally sucks If that really is the case, which the club should know by now, why are we playing him Id imagine if he’s playing they don’t think the injury can’t get any worse and I’d probably still rather have him play injured in the playoffs than Shaw or Santana
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Post by curtisw on Oct 7, 2021 22:17:27 GMT -5
I assume he is telling them he can play through it and he is our best player and he will get the off-season to recover so they are saying to go for it? Which is dumb af Maybe but they really have little other choice. I don’t see it as that dumb really, players play hurt sometimes if it’s not quite bad enough. Idk. Probably wil be something we won’t know much about until the end of the series/playoffs
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 7, 2021 22:17:53 GMT -5
They could put Bobby D at 3rd, Schwarber at first and JD at DH.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 7, 2021 22:19:19 GMT -5
So, kind of a buzz kill of a game. Most concerning... Raffi (hurt?), Kiké (poor game for the lead off hitter), overall approach at bat (no walks, poor with men on), and ERod with a stinker.
Arroyo was fine.
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Post by cdj on Oct 7, 2021 22:19:22 GMT -5
They could put Bobby D at 3rd, Schwarber at first and JD at DH. That wouldn’t be too bad, JD’s ankle is hopefully not swollen anymore
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Post by aznpopsical on Oct 7, 2021 22:19:38 GMT -5
Maybe but they really have little other choice. I don’t see it as that dumb really, players play hurt sometimes if it’s not quite bad enough. Idk. Probably wil be something we won’t know much about until the end of the series/playoffs I hear you but if his wrist is hurt to the point where he can’t even catch up to low 90s fastball down the middle, what good is he really
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Post by manfred on Oct 7, 2021 22:20:33 GMT -5
That did not go well. Onward!
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Post by curtisw on Oct 7, 2021 22:22:06 GMT -5
Maybe but they really have little other choice. I don’t see it as that dumb really, players play hurt sometimes if it’s not quite bad enough. Idk. Probably wil be something we won’t know much about until the end of the series/playoffs I hear you but if his wrist is hurt to the point where he can’t even catch up to low 90s fastball down the middle, what good is he really Yeah but how good is the replacement? Who is the replacement? Bobby at third shaw at first? Assuming JD may not be ready by tomorrow and clearly not tonight. I imagine they are hoping with some reason a hurt Raffy will still be better than no Raffy
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Post by cheers on Oct 7, 2021 22:22:08 GMT -5
Hoping maybe two days off would help Devers? Shaw at 1B and Dalbec at 3B isn't a tragedy for one game (I'm assuming JD is not ready to go tomorrow). Makes the bench mighty thin though. The answer to all questions would be Danny Santana, and that is so awful that I find it kinda amusing.
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Post by taiwansox on Oct 7, 2021 22:22:51 GMT -5
Maybe but they really have little other choice. I don’t see it as that dumb really, players play hurt sometimes if it’s not quite bad enough. Idk. Probably wil be something we won’t know much about until the end of the series/playoffs I hear you but if his wrist is hurt to the point where he can’t even catch up to low 90s fastball down the middle, what good is he really It really is similar to Ortiz in 2008, he was definitely hurt (he hurt it on a swing in Baltimore), and he sucked in the second half, but he managed to tough through it and hit that big 3-run HR off Balfour in Game 5 of the ALCS
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 7, 2021 22:22:52 GMT -5
Situationally perfect. A win tomorrow and the Sox have the home field advantage and momentum on their side.
When the going gets tough, the tough get going.
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Post by curtisw on Oct 7, 2021 22:23:13 GMT -5
They could put Bobby D at 3rd, Schwarber at first and JD at DH. That wouldn’t be too bad, JD’s ankle is hopefully not swollen anymore It seems like it is though, no? Idk I’m not dying on this hill lol, I just don’t think it’s totally crazy to see if he can play through it. Maybe they sit him tomorrow who is to say here.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 7, 2021 22:23:22 GMT -5
Joe Davis is really a quality announcer, as evidenced by the lack of criticism here. I'd expect nothing else from a captain of the Meatball Gang.
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The preceding was a list of positives from tonight's game.
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Post by aznpopsical on Oct 7, 2021 22:26:09 GMT -5
I hear you but if his wrist is hurt to the point where he can’t even catch up to low 90s fastball down the middle, what good is he really Yeah but how good is the replacement? Who is the replacement? Bobby at third shaw at first? Assuming JD may not be ready by tomorrow and clearly not tonight. I imagine they are hoping with some reason a hurt Raffy will still be better than no Raffy All I’m saying is if the reason him not being able to catch up to fastballs is physical, then he’s not going to all of sudden miraculously catch up to them, and with a smart team like the rays, I’m sure that’s all he’s going to be seeing from now, so yes I’d rather have someone else
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Post by taiwansox on Oct 7, 2021 22:26:11 GMT -5
We only struck out 5 times! A lot of positives on offense surprisingly, but Devers’ potential injury is pretty disconcerting
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Post by aznpopsical on Oct 7, 2021 22:27:43 GMT -5
I hear you but if his wrist is hurt to the point where he can’t even catch up to low 90s fastball down the middle, what good is he really It really is similar to Ortiz in 2008, he was definitely hurt (he hurt it on a swing in Baltimore), and he sucked in the second half, but he managed to tough through it and hit that big 3-run HR off Balfour in Game 5 of the ALCS Papi had some time to heal tho
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 7, 2021 22:29:06 GMT -5
That one was played as poorly almost to the complete opposite of how brilliantly they played on Tuesday.
The offense, patient on Tuesday, drew no walks. The pitching, refusing to walk anybody last Tuesday, walked the first batter of the game.
The difference in athleticism between Tampa and Boston looked pretty large. They can motor around those bases (and steal home rather easily if you're not paying attention) and on defense. For the Red Sox it seems like if the power isn't there it takes 3 or 4 singles to score a run and they couldn't string more than 2 hits together in an inning on offense. It's tough to do because Tampa does have excellent pitching and defense. It's not like there's a big dropoff when they remove a pitcher pitching well.
Of course if Devers is injured, they're screwed. I mean, yes, you can move Dalbec to 3b and play Schwarber at 1b and DH JDM, but the offense isn't the same without Devers and they need to have Schwarber, Devers, and JDM in the lineup to have a chance.
The only shot they really have is they need vintage Sale to show up tomorrow and then for the bullpen to be in lockdown mode. Of course that assumes that they score.
So if they can take tomorrow's game, they need Eovaldi to be every bit of the shutdown ace that he was against the Yankees and they need to finally hit Rasmussen. I'm guessing that with Pivetta basically having worked a starting pitcher's workload today that the idea is that E-Rod who barely broke a sweat would wind up starting Game 4 if it gets that far and if it winds up going to a game 5 hope they have vintage Sale again and Pivetta would be available to come out of the bullpen or even start if they decided they needed to use Sale in relief in a Game 4 do or die situation.
Again, Tampa is quite an impressive team. Doesn't look like there's anything they're not good at.
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Post by curtisw on Oct 7, 2021 22:29:55 GMT -5
Yeah but how good is the replacement? Who is the replacement? Bobby at third shaw at first? Assuming JD may not be ready by tomorrow and clearly not tonight. I imagine they are hoping with some reason a hurt Raffy will still be better than no Raffy All I’m saying is if the reason him not being able to catch up to fastballs is physical, then he’s not going to all of sudden miraculously catch up to them, and with a smart team like the rays, I’m sure that’s all he’s going to be seeing from now, so yes I’d rather have someone else As I said I’m not dying on this hill. At this point you might be right. He looks way off and now we are down in the series. Might be time to sit him for a night and hope we can pick up the slack and he can feel a bit better by Sunday. But honestly I think they are going to stick with him. Which as you’re saying, may be a bad choice strategically. But I don’t think it’s totally crazy and happens all the time.He clearly cannot hit velocity right now though Seeing him at the end of the game draped over the railing looking at the ground in despair made me very sad and definitely has me thinking he is hurt.
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Post by benzinger on Oct 7, 2021 22:30:08 GMT -5
Erod with a quintessential Erod performance with his standard 20 pitches per inning and 2 baserunners in every inning. I’ve seen enough of his act. Not that it mattered with the offense the Sox showed tonight.
The Sox had an uphill battle against TB going in, but now they really have to win tomorrow to make it a series.
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