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Post by saltalamacchia4mvp on Oct 20, 2021 19:06:38 GMT -5
Nice shutout inning from Darwinson & Saw-man 😂
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Post by taiwansox on Oct 20, 2021 19:07:43 GMT -5
We need to get to their bullpen here
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Post by cdj on Oct 20, 2021 19:09:37 GMT -5
It is not lost on me that the Astros stuck with their hot starter today when we didn’t stick with our hot starter yesterday. Different margins of error which of course factor in but still….maybe an extra inning from Pivetta changes everything
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 20, 2021 19:09:38 GMT -5
Hopefully the bullpen doesn't continue to be so bad. They'll have Houck, Pivetta, and Sale available for bullpen duty. In the end we’re going to need someone like Darwinzon or Sawamura to step up. We can’t fill up enough innings without that Other than a garbage time win in game 6 neither of those guys should be an option. They'll use Whitlock and Ottavino, Taylor, and in the right circumstances Robles and Brasier, but in a Game 6 I'd anticipate Pivetta and if it got to game 7 Sale would be an option for relief.
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Post by soxinsf on Oct 20, 2021 19:11:15 GMT -5
How come Valdez is still pitching? I guess Dusty Baker is too old to learn the new rules of pitching.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 20, 2021 19:12:02 GMT -5
Baker should lift his pitcher to have him better rested as a relief option in a potential Game 7.
But I guess he wants his tired bullpen to have 2 days off, which I can see.
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Post by trajanacc on Oct 20, 2021 19:12:35 GMT -5
It is not lost on me that the Astros stuck with their hot starter today when we didn’t stick with our hot starter yesterday. Different margins of error which of course factor in but still….maybe an extra inning from Pivetta changes everything We stuck with our hot starter today.
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Post by curtisw on Oct 20, 2021 19:18:00 GMT -5
Regret complimenting this crowd. Cannot stand that they did the wave.
Honestly I think the Astros know what they are doing having Valdez go 8 (or 9). Their bullpen now is going to be well rested for a game 6 which they can totally go for the throat in. And he has to be aware of the fact we have had not much success against that bullpen. Allowing them time to rest and preventing us from getting more looks at them is a good move. Valdez has been more dominant than any of our starters, so I don’t think it’s comparable to be saying “see, Cora should have left in Pivetta.” Who is to say that wouldn’t have been the same result as leaving in Sale today? Valdez was far more dominant than Pivetta, I’m sorry.
Still, I have faith. Crazier things have happened as I said, ‘04 was much more difficult and much crazier. Riding with them till the end.
Edit to say I do find Baker using Pressly is odd. But I think the Valdez move was smart. Edit of the edit well I guess he decided that was a bad move. Stanek made more sense
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Post by Guidas on Oct 20, 2021 19:20:36 GMT -5
Win Friday or watch these smug bastards celebrate and then go home and have to live with that all winter.
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Post by foreverred9 on Oct 20, 2021 19:21:34 GMT -5
It is not lost on me that the Astros stuck with their hot starter today when we didn’t stick with our hot starter yesterday. Different margins of error which of course factor in but still….maybe an extra inning from Pivetta changes everything The mismanagement started when they left Whitlock in for the 8th, not when they took out Pivetta. Pivetta hadn't completed 6 since August 13th, so that would have been risky to bring him back against 2-3-4. Whitlock got hit hard in the 7th, should have never came back out. I would have still said Eovaldi for the 8th to go through the top of the order (knowing what we know in hindsight), but now I'm wondering if they should have made Houck available for the sequence of batters after Alvarez. I just don't understand how going back out with Whitlock was the right move. It seems like that was the script, they were going to go multiple innings with Whitlock regardless.
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Post by taiwansox on Oct 20, 2021 19:23:46 GMT -5
Good things happen when you don’t throw a fastball first pitch to Alvarez
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Post by taiwansox on Oct 20, 2021 19:26:18 GMT -5
It is not lost on me that the Astros stuck with their hot starter today when we didn’t stick with our hot starter yesterday. Different margins of error which of course factor in but still….maybe an extra inning from Pivetta changes everything The mismanagement started when they left Whitlock in for the 8th, not when they took out Pivetta. Pivetta hadn't completed 6 since August 13th, so that would have been risky to bring him back against 2-3-4. Whitlock got hit hard in the 7th, should have never came back out. I would have still said Eovaldi for the 8th to go through the top of the order (knowing what we know in hindsight), but now I'm wondering if they should have made Houck available for the sequence of batters after Alvarez. I just don't understand how going back out with Whitlock was the right move. It seems like that was the script, they were going to go multiple innings with Whitlock regardless. Houck is really more effective as a multi-inning reliever, it looks like they’re avoiding him for just one. The real problem is we don’t have any reliable relievers. Really didn’t like Perez coming in with traffic though, he’s a starter and that’s a tough spot he’s not used to
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Post by taiwansox on Oct 20, 2021 19:29:55 GMT -5
lol more bad first pitch calling, Gurriel can hit the ball a foot off the plate, you have to jam him
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Post by cutz on Oct 20, 2021 19:30:01 GMT -5
WOW, and yet again I'm SHOCKED Guriell swung at the first pitch
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Post by taiwansox on Oct 20, 2021 19:32:11 GMT -5
WOW, and yet again I'm SHOCKED Guriell swung at the first pitch Darwinzon and Sawamura were effective because they’re so wild and they couldn’t hammer first pitches off them haha
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Post by saltalamacchia4mvp on Oct 20, 2021 19:34:54 GMT -5
When was the last time we scored a run without it being a HR?
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Post by taiwansox on Oct 20, 2021 19:37:00 GMT -5
When was the last time we scored a run without it being a HR? Maybe the 4th inning of Game 3 with the Vazquez bloop?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 20, 2021 19:40:05 GMT -5
It is not lost on me that the Astros stuck with their hot starter today when we didn’t stick with our hot starter yesterday. Different margins of error which of course factor in but still….maybe an extra inning from Pivetta changes everything The mismanagement started when they left Whitlock in for the 8th, not when they took out Pivetta. Pivetta hadn't completed 6 since August 13th, so that would have been risky to bring him back against 2-3-4. Whitlock got hit hard in the 7th, should have never came back out. I would have still said Eovaldi for the 8th to go through the top of the order (knowing what we know in hindsight), but now I'm wondering if they should have made Houck available for the sequence of batters after Alvarez. I just don't understand how going back out with Whitlock was the right move. It seems like that was the script, they were going to go multiple innings with Whitlock regardless. I actually didn't have an issue with that. Whitlock is the most trustworthy reliever the had. If he only went the 7th and Eovaldi the 8th who do you trust to hold a 2-1 lead on the 9th? That's where the absence of all star Matt Barnes is glaring. I suppose Cora could have kept Ottavino in longer and kept Whitlock to one inning. It's just really hard when you dont have a true closer to rely on and it can mess with the bullpen hierarchy.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 20, 2021 19:46:56 GMT -5
Houston is a deeper (better) team on paper. We showed of course they can be beat by playing near perfect ball for a few games - we knocked them in the mouth. That's how to beat this kind of team. We didn't do that in our losses - we played some bad baseball, didn't make adjustments at the plate.
Sure we can win the next two games. That's baseball - but the games 2 and 3 teams need to show up, not the last two game versions.
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Post by saltalamacchia4mvp on Oct 20, 2021 19:49:20 GMT -5
If we win the series it's going to be because the offense gets ridiculously hot again, which is possible. You'll have Eovaldi, Houck, Whitlock for game 6 and if it gets to 7 you're just going to have to piece it together...
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Post by aznpopsical on Oct 20, 2021 20:00:42 GMT -5
Win Friday then talk
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 20, 2021 20:02:50 GMT -5
Houston is a deeper (better) team on paper. We showed of course they can be beat by playing near perfect ball for a few games - we knocked them in the mouth. That's how to beat this kind of team. We didn't do that in our losses - we played some bad baseball, didn't make adjustments at the plate. Sure we can win the next two games. That's baseball - but the games 2 and 3 teams need to show up, not the last two game versions. Yup, Eovaldi and E-Rod need to throw at least 6 shut down innings and the bullpen needs to hold leads and the lineup has to hit and capitalize on their opportunities. They basically have to be virtually perfect, kind of like they were in Game 2 and 3. Anything less the season will end.
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Post by taiwansox on Oct 20, 2021 20:09:40 GMT -5
This kinda feels like the 2013 ALCS in reverse. Basically, you could easily see us in the lead after 6, but our bullpen makes it a roller coaster unless we have a 6+ run lead
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Post by aznpopsical on Oct 20, 2021 20:23:39 GMT -5
because our media decided to mess with the baseball gods The heck with the baseball gods. People - and I'm saying the media AND fans - need to understand that this is not a game where you can confidently state the outcome of anything by linear projection from what you just observed. There was no reason for anyone to say "well, Houston's pitching is fried and the Sox are just going to steamroll them." Baseball as a sport takes too many twists and turns to make declarations like that. Yes, I know -- fans get over exuberant when things are going good, and overly distraught when they aren't. AND so did the media in the last couple of days. But really, that's the point, and it's a reason to ignore just about everything said during the course of an event like this. People make pronouncements and can't see that they are projecting rather than being rational. i almost missed this bro, why would you waste your time writing a mini essay to tell me to stop being superstitious man, smdh
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Post by kevfc89 on Oct 20, 2021 20:31:12 GMT -5
Just like Scherzer, another great pitcher Urias now struggling in his start after throwing an inning on his bullpen day. Let's hope it's not the same for Nate.
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