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Red Sox vs. Astros 2021 ALCS Gameday Thread
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Post by taiwansox on Oct 20, 2021 20:39:25 GMT -5
We need to start hitting their relievers, they can hit any of ours so we need to damage Graverman, Maton, or Stanek before Pressley. It’s going to come down to hitting with RISP in high leverage, but it’s 3 runs in 35 innings against true relievers outside of Game 3 of the ALCS and Game 2 of the ALDS, adjustments need to be made ASAP
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 20, 2021 20:52:13 GMT -5
We need to start hitting their relievers, they can hit any of ours so we need to damage Graverman, Maton, or Stanek before Pressley. It’s going to come down to hitting with RISP in high leverage, but it’s 3 runs in 35 innings against true relievers outside of Game 3 of the ALCS and Game 2 of the ALDS, adjustments need to be made ASAP Dont forget Cristian Javier. If he had come into Game 4 and didn't shut out the Sox for 4 innings the Sox probably win Game 4 and it's a different series.
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Post by foreverred9 on Oct 20, 2021 20:54:10 GMT -5
I actually didn't have an issue with that. Whitlock is the most trustworthy reliever the had. If he only went the 7th and Eovaldi the 8th who do you trust to hold a 2-1 lead on the 9th? That's where the absence of all star Matt Barnes is glaring. I suppose Cora could have kept Ottavino in longer and kept Whitlock to one inning. It's just really hard when you dont have a true closer to rely on and it can mess with the bullpen hierarchy. I don't disagree with you, I was expecting Whitlock to take the 7th and 8th, and maybe even the 9th. But my point was that it was clear in the 7th he was getting hit hard, so why didn't they pivot after the 7th? For the same reason Cora pulls starters at the hint of trouble, shouldn't he have done the same with Whitlock? Maybe the analytics say to not worry about that, but after 3 hard hits in the 7th he came back and gave up 3 hard hits in the 8th (including both outs at 100MPH). Was the 7th predictive? I've never looked at this data so maybe I'm overreacting in thinking it's predictable, but it just seemed like something was off. I agree Taiwansox that Houck is a bulk guy, it really just came down to what do you do when Whitlock flounders in the 7th and there's not much trust left in the pen. That's why in hindsight I'm thinking they should have gotten Houck up. Or maybe they could have risked it with Robles after Eovaldi went the 8th.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Oct 20, 2021 20:55:59 GMT -5
Just visitin’ the Hunter Renfroe fan club to see how they’re doin! Still think he will be a stud next year!! I don't hate him but I feel like I'm clear-eyed about his mediocre defense (despite the cannon arm). He's a streaky hitter like a lot of guys, so that's not a huge deal; it just seems like this particular slump is playoff-inspired. I think I've already said it in these pages, before the playoff slump, but I wouldn't mind seeing Chaim sell high on Hunter this winter while signing a FA (S.Marte being my dream - also would love to see McCutchen platoon with Doogie). IMO Hunter's big 2021 smacks of a career year, rather than the first of several at a new level.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Oct 20, 2021 21:02:00 GMT -5
Win Friday or watch these smug bastards celebrate and then go home and have to live with that all winter. They are so easy to hate.
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Post by benzinger on Oct 20, 2021 21:41:43 GMT -5
Just need to win 2 in a row in HOU. Crazier things have happened.
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Post by benzinger on Oct 20, 2021 21:42:44 GMT -5
Erod never should have done the whole watch tapping thing.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 20, 2021 21:47:44 GMT -5
Erod never should have done the whole watch tapping thing. Also didn't like seeing that "Cora is undefeated in the game after a Red Sox playoff loss" blurb. That's kind of like saying "pitcher X has a no hitter going with 2 outs" and then watching the no hitter go poof.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 20, 2021 22:38:47 GMT -5
Nice recovery by the Braves. They took a gut punch and smacked the Dodgers back. They're up 3 games to 1 and have Max Fried going for them in Game 5.
Apparently the rover thing had an adverse effect on Scherzer and Urias making their starts after relieving. Doesn't bode well for Eovaldi being as sharp for Game 6.
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Post by taiwansox on Oct 20, 2021 22:46:56 GMT -5
Hopefully Dusty Baker lives up to his reputation and figures out a way to blow the series lead at home. We need to hit our way there and maybe try to get a hit with RISP, just one hit for the love of god
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Oct 20, 2021 22:57:47 GMT -5
Sox will win game 6 and 7. Just believe
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 21, 2021 1:39:39 GMT -5
My post game post didn't work. Not posting to SP after a game didn't work. Changing Red Sox hats didn't work. Rebooting my computer just before the game didn't work.
Guess I'll see if just being a fan works.
A thought (unlikely) but imagine the boos at Dodger Theme Park if the Dodgers and Asstrolls met in the World Serious.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 21, 2021 5:51:39 GMT -5
Renfroeâs defense is definitely inconsistent (particularly his range/routes). He looked like a Gold Glover in parts of the first half but tailed off considerably in the second half. Heâs a good player but not a no-doubt starter, both for this series, where I would consider sitting him for Dalbec, and for next year, where I might consider adding an outfielder (that could be Schwarber or someone else). Kiké's not moving off of CF, right? And there's no reason not to sign him to an extension.
I see Duran as a LF / CF 4th outfielder next year. As a LF, he's often in for Renfroe with Verdugo in RF, and as a CF, he's sometimes in for Arroyo with Kiké at 2B. It's a way of getting an extra LHB in the lineup, and it might end up as a full platoon with Renfroe.
They have an opportunity to find a LHH 1B who's a Kiké / Renfoe-type upside project to be the final guy on the bench, subbing for Dalbec versus tough righties. I think Iglesias returns as the backup MI.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 21, 2021 6:12:43 GMT -5
Erod never should have done the whole watch tapping thing. Also didn't like seeing that "Cora is undefeated in the game after a Red Sox playoff loss" blurb. That's kind of like saying "pitcher X has a no hitter going with 2 outs" and then watching the no hitter go poof. None of this matters!! After ERod did the "watch tapping" the Sox pen went 3 innings giving up zero hits. And the media mentioning the Cora streak had no bearing on the game. It is all about execution, throwing the ball, hitting the ball, fielding the ball.
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Post by tizzle on Oct 21, 2021 7:06:02 GMT -5
Also didn't like seeing that "Cora is undefeated in the game after a Red Sox playoff loss" blurb. That's kind of like saying "pitcher X has a no hitter going with 2 outs" and then watching the no hitter go poof. None of this matters!! After ERod did the "watch tapping" the Sox pen went 3 innings giving up zero hits. And the media mentioning the Cora streak had no bearing on the game. It is all about execution, throwing the ball, hitting the ball, fielding the ball. That's crazy talk.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Oct 21, 2021 8:22:54 GMT -5
Erod never should have done the whole watch tapping thing. Also didn't like seeing that "Cora is undefeated in the game after a Red Sox playoff loss" blurb. That's kind of like saying "pitcher X has a no hitter going with 2 outs" and then watching the no hitter go poof. Well, he was 5-0 after a playoff loss until yesterday. That's pretty good. If you subscribe to the idea that the playoffs are basically a coin-flip, that's five straight heads, which is unlikely just by chance.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Oct 21, 2021 8:28:59 GMT -5
Renfroeâs defense is definitely inconsistent (particularly his range/routes). He looked like a Gold Glover in parts of the first half but tailed off considerably in the second half. Heâs a good player but not a no-doubt starter, both for this series, where I would consider sitting him for Dalbec, and for next year, where I might consider adding an outfielder (that could be Schwarber or someone else). Kiké's not moving off of CF, right? And there's no reason not to sign him to an extension.
I see Duran as a LF / CF 4th outfielder next year. As a LF, he's often in for Renfroe with Verdugo in RF, and as a CF, he's sometimes in for Arroyo with Kiké at 2B. It's a way of getting an extra LHB in the lineup, and it might end up as a full platoon with Renfroe.
They have an opportunity to find a LHH 1B who's a Kiké / Renfoe-type upside project to be the final guy on the bench, subbing for Dalbec versus tough righties. I think Iglesias returns as the backup MI.
I wouldn't mind seeing Kiké in RF, Starling Marte in CF, and sell high on Hunter for a nice pitching prospect. I'd also like to see Iggy at SS, Xander at 3B, and Raffy at DH about 3/4 of the time. That's a much better infield, particularly if Arroyo can stay on the field (he hasn't made an error since June 2019). When Arroyo's hurt, Iggy at 2B, Xander at SS, Raffy at 3B.
EDIT: But there are threads for 2022, which can wait until after the duckboat parade.
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Post by costpet on Oct 21, 2021 9:07:33 GMT -5
Their hottest hitter in August and September was Dalbec. Has he even played in this series?
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Post by saltalamacchia4mvp on Oct 21, 2021 9:27:16 GMT -5
I feel like being down 3-2 going to Houston is poetic for this 2021 Sox team - nobody is going to have them winning in Houston after the past two games. This is their final test and if they pass I believe we will win the World Series, it's a fitting final test for these bunch of guys. Win or lose it's been an awesome roller coaster of a season and believe this is just the start of a bigger run of success in the future - we have the right people leading the organization.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 21, 2021 9:33:04 GMT -5
Also didn't like seeing that "Cora is undefeated in the game after a Red Sox playoff loss" blurb. That's kind of like saying "pitcher X has a no hitter going with 2 outs" and then watching the no hitter go poof. None of this matters!! After ERod did the "watch tapping" the Sox pen went 3 innings giving up zero hits. And the media mentioning the Cora streak had no bearing on the game. It is all about execution, throwing the ball, hitting the ball, fielding the ball. After the watch tapping the Sox in a game that was over, the Sox haven't won since. Look, you're trying to be logical with somebody who knows superstition isn't real, but is still superstitious in some ways. I mean if things are going bad when I watch a game, I try to find another chair to watch the game. If the Sox pitching does better when I don't watch I hide out for about 10 minutes. If they screw up when I take a leak like I did between the commercial break after the bottom of the 7th/beginning of the 8th inning and missed the first pitch, it's because of me Whitlock gave up that first pitch HR in the 8th. It was the one pitch of the game that I missed and I was pacing and "hiding" when Castro was batting and you see how that turned out. My bad. I should have stayed in the room instead of walking in and out. And players are highly superstitious as well. You remember Wade Boggs and Nomar and they're hardly alone. Is it because the Yankees blared their boombox in 2018 or because Bregman mouthed off about Eovaldi in 2018 that they lost? No, but it was bad karma. Same thing with the Rays and their stupid popcorn. I don't really believe in religion or blind faith, but I kind of believe in karma, even dumb things like those graphics they felt obligated to show. Eh, we all believe whatever we believe.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 21, 2021 9:41:17 GMT -5
I feel like being down 3-2 going to Houston is poetic for this 2021 Sox team - nobody is going to have them winning in Houston after the past two games. This is their final test and if they pass I believe we will win the World Series, it's a fitting final test for these bunch of guys. Win or loss it's been an awesome roller coaster of a season and believe this is just the start of a bigger run of success in the future - we have the right people leading the organization. That has kind of been the hallmark of the 2021 Red Sox. When they're expected to lose, they find a way to win. When they have it all set up to win, they disappoint. They're expected to lose now by most who aren't diehard Red Sox fans rooting with their hearts, so maybe they'll be at their most dangerous. They'll have to be or the season is history. It would be a darn shame. I'm watching with surprise in the NL. I know the Braves have blown 3-1 to the Dodgers before but it looks like the between the injuries to Muncy and now Justin Turner and the Dodgers feeling the need to use rovers, their pitching staff is more worn out than I anticipated, and the way the Braves recovered from losing that devastating game the night before, the Braves just might pull it off. And I think the Braves, especially minus Acunas, are a team the Sox would match up evenly/well with in the World Series. Really hope that has a chance. Really want no part of Atlanta/Houston.
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Post by incandenza on Oct 21, 2021 9:45:54 GMT -5
Also didn't like seeing that "Cora is undefeated in the game after a Red Sox playoff loss" blurb. That's kind of like saying "pitcher X has a no hitter going with 2 outs" and then watching the no hitter go poof. Well, he was 5-0 after a playoff loss until yesterday. That's pretty good. If you subscribe to the idea that the playoffs are basically a coin-flip, that's five straight heads, which is unlikely just by chance.
It's a 1-in-32 chance, which is totally unremarkable. Think how many chances you have to find a trend like that: record in day games, record with a lefty starting, record when it's between 57 and 62 degrees, etc. etc. Find enough of those things and one of them will be something that only happens 3% of the time just by chance. It's like this xkcd cartoon.
Relatedly, the Fox broadcast may have assigned one too many interns to dig up such statistics, as they seem to bring up an inordinate amount of such arrcane and basically meaningless stuff. They went on and on yesterday about Valdez being the first pitcher to hold the Red Sox hitless in a playoff game at Fenway through 3 1/3 innings. Oh, yeah, the ol' 3 1/3 hitless - that classic measure of pitcher success!
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Post by benzinger on Oct 21, 2021 9:55:10 GMT -5
None of this matters!! After ERod did the "watch tapping" the Sox pen went 3 innings giving up zero hits. And the media mentioning the Cora streak had no bearing on the game. It is all about execution, throwing the ball, hitting the ball, fielding the ball. After the watch tapping the Sox in a game that was over, the Sox haven't won since. Look, you're trying to be logical with somebody who knows superstition isn't real, but is still superstitious in some ways. I mean if things are going bad when I watch a game, I try to find another chair to watch the game. If the Sox pitching does better when I don't watch I hide out for about 10 minutes. If they screw up when I take a leak like I did between the commercial break after the bottom of the 7th/beginning of the 8th inning and missed the first pitch, it's because of me Whitlock gave up that first pitch HR in the 8th. It was the one pitch of the game that I missed and I was pacing and "hiding" when Castro was batting and you see how that turned out. My bad. I should have stayed in the room instead of walking in and out. And players are highly superstitious as well. You remember Wade Boggs and Nomar and they're hardly alone. Is it because the Yankees blared their boombox in 2018 or because Bregman mouthed off about Eovaldi in 2018 that they lost? No, but it was bad karma. Same thing with the Rays and their stupid popcorn. I don't really believe in religion or blind faith, but I kind of believe in karma, even dumb things like those graphics they felt obligated to show. Eh, we all believe whatever we believe. You don’t have to explain it. Most of us know that the baseball gods are real.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 21, 2021 10:22:05 GMT -5
None of this matters!! After ERod did the "watch tapping" the Sox pen went 3 innings giving up zero hits. And the media mentioning the Cora streak had no bearing on the game. It is all about execution, throwing the ball, hitting the ball, fielding the ball. After the watch tapping the Sox in a game that was over, the Sox haven't won since. Look, you're trying to be logical with somebody who knows superstition isn't real, but is still superstitious in some ways. I mean if things are going bad when I watch a game, I try to find another chair to watch the game. If the Sox pitching does better when I don't watch I hide out for about 10 minutes. If they screw up when I take a leak like I did between the commercial break after the bottom of the 7th/beginning of the 8th inning and missed the first pitch, it's because of me Whitlock gave up that first pitch HR in the 8th. It was the one pitch of the game that I missed and I was pacing and "hiding" when Castro was batting and you see how that turned out. My bad. I should have stayed in the room instead of walking in and out. And players are highly superstitious as well. You remember Wade Boggs and Nomar and they're hardly alone. Is it because the Yankees blared their boombox in 2018 or because Bregman mouthed off about Eovaldi in 2018 that they lost? No, but it was bad karma. Same thing with the Rays and their stupid popcorn. I don't really believe in religion or blind faith, but I kind of believe in karma, even dumb things like those graphics they felt obligated to show. Eh, we all believe whatever we believe. I get it and I am like Leonard Nimoy "Spock", 1 +1=2. I was just bringing some levity to the conversation while the nation was down. I completely get it.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 21, 2021 10:23:53 GMT -5
Their hottest hitter in August and September was Dalbec. Has he even played in this series? I am with you but he is currently on the outs here at SP.
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