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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 24, 2021 10:17:16 GMT -5
No not a playoff spot, like a move that makes you a true contender. I don't see anything happening that would make them a true contender this year. What do you see that could actually happen? I think Jerami Grant is a real possibility. They wanted him last year and he fits Ime style. I think the offer was Horford, Nesmith and a first. Then to balance the roster and thinking no way Ime wants to trade Smart. I say Schroder back to Atlanta for Delon Wright, while trying to get Jalen Johnson or Cam Reddish. I think that fits Imes style, Grant at PF certainly fits today's NBA more than Horford. That solves some of the big roster issues and gives Ime a team that can be a defensive monster and makes much more sense. I don't think Delon Wright is anywhere near a better player than Schroder, yet his bigger size and shooting would help. Something realistic like that if I had to guess. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 24, 2021 10:23:56 GMT -5
With Enes Freedom now joining the Covid list (per Shams), not signing Harry Giles would be a clear indication that they don't like Jayson Tatum (or, quite frankly, me) and will be trading him soon. Trade Tatum??? For what the #1 pick in the draft plus another 2? And just start over again? I just don't see it, he is still only 23 and a couple years away from his peak. Not many guys accomplish what he has this early in his career and the ones that do go on to being top 5 players. For his age group he is top 5 right now and those guys don't come around very often. I might be giving up on this team this year but I am a long ways from giving up on Tatum and I don't think the Giles thing is a sign that the C's are either. Put a guy like Jimmy Butler on this team and everything changes, he wouldn't put up with the losing. It is a bit much to expect a 23 yr old player to be that guy yet. He can't yet demand the type of play that Butler does. Smart tries but he isn't a great enough player to demand what Butler does, he just doesn't have the cache and might actually be a big part of the problem. I wouldn't be surprised if both J's privately would like him gone. |
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Post by cdj on Dec 24, 2021 11:24:56 GMT -5
I don't see anything happening that would make them a true contender this year. What do you see that could actually happen? I think Jerami Grant is a real possibility. They wanted him last year and he fits Ime style. I think the offer was Horford, Nesmith and a first. Then to balance the roster and thinking no way Ime wants to trade Smart. I say Schroder back to Atlanta for Delon Wright, while trying to get Jalen Johnson or Cam Reddish. I think that fits Imes style, Grant at PF certainly fits today's NBA more than Horford. That solves some of the big roster issues and gives Ime a team that can be a defensive monster and makes much more sense. I don't think Delon Wright is anywhere near a better player than Schroder, yet his bigger size and shooting would help. Something realistic like that if I had to guess. Always had a soft spot for Wright as a bench guard. Better defender than Schroder |
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Post by texs31 on Dec 24, 2021 11:59:02 GMT -5
Admittedly, I'm terrible at predictions.
But thinking NOBODY could possibly take me seriously when I suggested that the Cs trade Tatum if they don't sign Harry Giles, seemed like a sure thing.
Alas, I was wrong again.
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 25, 2021 5:21:18 GMT -5
Admittedly, I'm terrible at predictions. But thinking NOBODY could possibly take me seriously when I suggested that the Cs trade Tatum if they don't sign Harry Giles, seemed like a sure thing. Alas, I was wrong again. Hahaha you got me!! |
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Post by ianrs on Dec 25, 2021 15:41:15 GMT -5
Its absolutely INCREDIBLE how much better we are when we play spacing players (and of course have JB in the lineup).
Biggest evidence yet we should never play Horford and Timelord together and trade Schroder for whatever we can get.
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 25, 2021 16:20:00 GMT -5
Just an embarrassingly soft team.
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Post by sarasoxer on Dec 25, 2021 16:49:11 GMT -5
Just an embarrassingly soft team. The Bucks? |
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Post by jmei on Dec 25, 2021 16:49:57 GMT -5
I can't stand the "get a switch, iso Tatum/Brown" offense.
Jabari Parker remains terrible defensively. Hernangomez too.
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Post by jmei on Dec 25, 2021 16:52:11 GMT -5
I'm kind of getting sick of Marcus Smart.
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Post by mobaz on Dec 25, 2021 16:57:39 GMT -5
Can we ever just beat a team normal?
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 25, 2021 17:02:10 GMT -5
Just an embarrassingly soft team. The Bucks? Lol. I know you have some weird vendetta against me, but it really backfired on you this time. |
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Post by jmei on Dec 25, 2021 17:02:50 GMT -5
Tatum gets stripped, complains to the refs instead of getting back on defense, the Bucks get a three despite an absurd Rob Williams chasedown block. Inexcusable.
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Post by tizzle on Dec 25, 2021 17:08:23 GMT -5
Tatum gets stripped, complains to the refs instead of getting back on defense, the Bucks get a three despite an absurd Rob Williams chasedown block. Inexcusable. Don't watch this team much at all. Just turned in to the last couple of minutes to see Tatum clunking a couple of shots and then dribble into a triple team for a turnover and bitch about a non-foul. Glad I'm not invested in the Celtics. Sorry for you guys who are. |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 25, 2021 17:11:18 GMT -5
A sadly very predictable loss. They can't close.
Brown and Smart both in the -15 range, Tatum -7.
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Post by sarasoxer on Dec 25, 2021 19:12:34 GMT -5
Lol. I know you have some weird vendetta against me, but it really backfired on you this time. Yep....got me. When you wrote, I checked the score and the C's were up 10-12... But the Celtics let me down today and validated you. So with your permission please..."the Celtics are a bunch of soft, gutless losers". There...I feel so much better.🙂 |
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Post by philarhody on Dec 25, 2021 19:18:58 GMT -5
Tatum gets stripped, complains to the refs instead of getting back on defense, the Bucks get a three despite an absurd Rob Williams chasedown block. Inexcusable. Don't watch this team much at all. Just turned in to the last couple of minutes to see Tatum clunking a couple of shots and then dribble into a triple team for a turnover and bitch about a non-foul. Glad I'm not invested in the Celtics. Sorry for you guys who are. Welcome to the 2021-2022 Celtics. There is no accountability on this team and Jayson does whatever he wants with no repurcussions. |
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 25, 2021 19:37:43 GMT -5
Don't watch this team much at all. Just turned in to the last couple of minutes to see Tatum clunking a couple of shots and then dribble into a triple team for a turnover and bitch about a non-foul. Glad I'm not invested in the Celtics. Sorry for you guys who are. Welcome to the 2021-2022 Celtics. There is no accountability on this team and Jayson does whatever he wants with no repurcussions. That all started with Stevens - he never held Tatum or Smart accountable for their garbage, and Ime has continued the tradition. Jaylen is the only one who ever got “benched” during his second year in the league, and he was probably the least deserving of that treatment. I catch most Warriors games, and it’s wild to see these teams play back to back. Their best players take joy in setting their teammates up, whereas the Celtics’ best players are allergic to it. |
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Post by philarhody on Dec 25, 2021 20:03:12 GMT -5
Welcome to the 2021-2022 Celtics. There is no accountability on this team and Jayson does whatever he wants with no repurcussions. That all started with Stevens - he never held Tatum or Smart accountable for their garbage, and Ime has continued the tradition. Jaylen is the only one who ever got “benched” during his second year in the league, and he was probably the least deserving of that treatment. I catch most Warriors games, and it’s wild to see these teams play back to back. Their best players take joy in setting their teammates up, whereas the Celtics’ best players are allergic to it. I completely agree. Ime was supposed to do what Brad couldn’t do. Jaylen got punished when Kyrie was being a diva and now we are seeing a very similar thing with Nesmith and Pritchard. |
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Post by sarasoxer on Dec 25, 2021 23:33:48 GMT -5
If Tatum is going to forever play "me" or "hero" ball especially late in games (my biggest gripe) and Ime can't change that, maybe it's time to trade him. His value is certainly high. If we keep Tatum and Brown without getting more team play and added talent, it appears that we will be stuck in the purgatory of mediocrity...hamster on the wheel. I suspect that R. Williams, Schroeder and Smart are the only other guys with modest, not team altering, trade value. At some point the risk is high that years of frustration will be an impetus for the Js to seek a fresh start with contenders. Right now things look bleak.
I would guess that Schroeder and Smart go near term in yet another effort to build around Tatum and Brown, but the results will be luke warm and the endemic issues will remain. Where's my razor blade...
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Post by cdj on Dec 25, 2021 23:57:14 GMT -5
Tatum has been terribly unclutch this season. I don’t think that’s the norm but it has been the case lately, that’s for sure
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Post by ianrs on Dec 26, 2021 4:07:47 GMT -5
Probably one of the most painful losses this season.
As positive as Marcus is, if he can't hit open 3s and if he is not going to run a normal half court offense, trade him.
It's INCREDIBLE how this team simply forgets how to play offense in the 4th quarter. Tatum should be ashamed for how he closed that game.
Similarly, Tatum and Smart should be ashamed for completely freezing Jaylen out after his incredibly hot start.
This team refuses to play with each other, it's so baffling. Also, I know Giannis made an incredible block, but Tatum went full Simmons with the dumpoff to Timelord at the end of the game when he had a clear dunk at the hoop. Sad to see.
The hardest part about rooting for this team is the incredible potential they show combined with their incredible ability to choke 4th quarters,and yet there always seems to be an easy moral victory for example Juancho and Jabari sharing the court yesterday because we were so thin, therefore giving hope for something more when things are more "ideal" but it seems clear the ideal isn't coming very soon or ever...
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 27, 2021 12:41:13 GMT -5
Stevens changed things when Walker just wasn't Walker anymore. It was that Toronto series when they started double him and he no longer could make teams pay. Well if Smart is your PG, you are still forcing Tatum to do more than he should. It's why I wanted Schroder to play PG he can create offense better, get his own shot and open up things because he can get to the rim. Smart just can't run an offense, that's clear as day. He can't space the floor or get to the rim with ease to open up things. Smart is a backup PG or a SG that can't shoot.
Tatum and Brown are gifted scorers, they aren't LeBron James type creators. At their best they had Rozier and Walker, PGs that could add spacing and get to the basket opening up things. If you don't want to play Schroder than start Pritchard.
I'm just getting sick of the Tatum and Brown bashing. I haven't seen anything that shows me either should be a primary creator. Blame the coach, he's the guy starting Smart over two better options because he values D above everything else. You need to have the right players and lineups to play good team ball. I hate to say this, yet Smart needs a minor injury that causes him to miss weeks. We need time with Schroder and Pritchard playing PG with the Starters big minutes.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 27, 2021 14:05:47 GMT -5
Tatum in COVID protocols, does this mean he tested positive?
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