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Boston Celtics 2021-2022 Season
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 27, 2021 15:03:39 GMT -5
Tatum in COVID protocols, does this mean he tested positive? It means something different every day.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 27, 2021 21:50:50 GMT -5
Being outscored 13-2 in the 4th so far - Minnesota missing all 5 starters.
Sure, Tatum is out...but....
Pritchard, Brown, Langford combined 15 for 44.
And as the offense suffers, the defense suffers.
Now we are clanking free throws.
The all world Nathan Knight, of William and Mary, 20 points on 8 for 11.
Brown with 6 turnovers. Williams with foul trouble early.
now being outscored 19 to 5.
Big chance game for Langford to show something. He hasn't shown much.
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 27, 2021 21:54:32 GMT -5
Team of losers
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 27, 2021 22:11:00 GMT -5
Langford? More like Clankford amirite
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 27, 2021 22:13:59 GMT -5
This will be a richly deserved loss - outscored in the 4th 32-18 with the game nearly done- Shot 37%, allowed 44%.
Second half - outscored 61-43.
Langford a stunning -31. Williams -16.
Is Ime in trouble? Or is it just time to shake this team up in a big way?
Team is a... dumpster fire? Train wreck? Or just an utter mess?
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 27, 2021 22:16:41 GMT -5
This will be a richly deserved loss - outscored in the 4th 32-18 with the game nearly done- Shot 37%, allowed 44%. Langford a stunning -31. Williams -16. Is Ime in trouble? Or is it just time to shake this team up in a big way? It’s well past time for a shakeup. Ime has been extremely underwhelming to put it nicely, but the optics of firing him after a year would be so, so bad. I also don’t think it would be fair given that he’s a first-year coach who has to deal with a group of players that just doesn’t care about winning.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 27, 2021 22:34:59 GMT -5
Listening to Maxwell after the game. Essentially said this team doesn't play with enough effort, and doesn't have enough skill - said that it is time for Brad to do something - trades, etc. Saying Brad can't wait - last two or three weeks shows something has to be done to shake the team out of its funk. Pretty scathing criticism about this group of players and how they are playing (talking a lot about lack of hustle and effort)
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Post by cdj on Dec 27, 2021 23:36:19 GMT -5
Trade him for Ben Simmons + Seth Curry
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 27, 2021 23:49:38 GMT -5
Ime has been extremely underwhelming to put it nicely, but the optics of firing him after a year would be so, so bad. I also don’t think it would be fair given that he’s a first-year coach who has to deal with a group of players that just doesn’t care about winning. Ime has been atrocious, he's definitely closer to getting fired right now than having another year.
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Post by ianrs on Dec 28, 2021 1:15:23 GMT -5
Lmfao when I think things have hit rock bottom, it somehow gets worse.
The irony about Tatum being unclutch is that this team is literally worse than Minnesota's Gleague team without him 🤣
At this point with COVID rampant again, just trade for as many assets as you can get and play only young guys.
Nobody has really said it but Timelord was atrocious this game and dude has taken a massive step back in his defense and playmaking and looks like he lost a step.
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 28, 2021 5:59:07 GMT -5
Ime has been extremely underwhelming to put it nicely, but the optics of firing him after a year would be so, so bad. I also don’t think it would be fair given that he’s a first-year coach who has to deal with a group of players that just doesn’t care about winning. Ime has been atrocious, he's definitely closer to getting fired right now than having another year. He’s not. I’m not impressed with Ime, nor do I think he’s the guy to right the ship, but firing him after one year would not be a good look for the organization for a number of reasons. It’s a nonstarter.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 28, 2021 8:46:47 GMT -5
If Ime did things like a normal coach, sure blame the players. He just doesn't. Again the Timberwolves start McDaniels at PF, he goes two big lineups. Start Grant Williams and come back with Parker. No wholesale changes, so you never have a fully fresh team. Small rotations, which mean your bench lacks playing time and experience. Minnesota said at the start they just signed Monroe and he plays big minutes.
Almost halfway point of the season, what is Imes offense? Playing Robert Williams, Horford and Langford why Brown goes 3 on 1 and 4 on 1? Iso heavy offenses provide floor spacing. Pritchard tried getting the ball up quick multiple times and had to pull it back and wait for everyone. That's Ime style not the players just being lazy because I'm wants to play slow half court basketball.
I just keep coming back to that article Jmei posted, where they assumed everyone knows X's and O's, it's about communication. That's just not true, Ime seems clueless about offensive basketball. His rotations are so bad it even hurts our D, because he doesn't believe in matching up with other teams. This feels worse than watching the bad Brent Brown for years. It's why I'm hesitant to make moves because I'm not sure anything you give Ime will work. Instead of the coach helping the players, he's a roadblock. Firing him should absolutely be on the table, it should be a guarantee if he misses the playoffs. I'd call for a mid-season firing if we actually had an assistant worthy, which is part of the issues. I'm just waiting for trade demands at this point.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 28, 2021 11:43:35 GMT -5
He’s not. I’m not impressed with Ime, nor do I think he’s the guy to right the ship, but firing him after one year would not be a good look for the organization for a number of reasons. It’s a nonstarter. Ok, so if you're not going to fire Ime, then you need to sit down and talk to him and try to get a feeling about which players you need and which you don't in order to actually play Ime Ball. As it is, this is unseemingly. You can't start Horford, RWIII and Smart together. I'm sorry, the Celtics are a serious organization, this shit cannot be allowed. That's a really stupid line-up. You need a more reliable scoring option out of your bigs if you PG is slow as molasses and not really a threat to score from anywhere, you need some semblance of a PnR game to start 2 bigs.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 28, 2021 14:33:21 GMT -5
Ime has been atrocious, he's definitely closer to getting fired right now than having another year. He’s not. I’m not impressed with Ime, nor do I think he’s the guy to right the ship, but firing him after one year would not be a good look for the organization for a number of reasons. It’s a nonstarter. So Brad only cares about how it looks rather than what is best for the team?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 29, 2021 13:45:09 GMT -5
Besides stupid unwritten rules type crap or stupid optics that really aren't true, coaches get fired after one year all the time. Why shouldn't Ime get fired? Given the roster and how he uses it, 16th in points per game and 9th in defensive efficiency isn't impressive. If you're going to play this way you should be top 3 in both given this roster. It doesn't lack defensive talent, it's actually loaded with defensive talent. So what is Ime good at?
He's made everyone worse besides Grant Williams.
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 29, 2021 21:47:33 GMT -5
Tatum is not ready to be a #1 and Jaylen is not ready to be a #2.
It’s a team of overrated players that don’t value winning. Loser team.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 29, 2021 21:48:03 GMT -5
Well, is this what tanking looks like? Are they trying to drive a coaching change or a team break up?
4 for 42 in threes.
If not tanking, we are seeing yet another rock bottom for this team.
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Post by sarasoxer on Dec 29, 2021 22:11:19 GMT -5
Well, is this what tanking looks like? Are they trying to drive a coaching change or a team break up? 4 for 42 in threes. If not tanking, we are seeing yet another rock bottom for this team. soxfan the Celtics are flat out not good enough. No way are they tanking by intentionally missing an incredible amount of 3s tonight. The Celtics are not "losers, quitters, soft" as has often been said here out of frustration and anger. They are what their record says they are, bottom line. How to get better is more the issue.
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Post by ianrs on Dec 30, 2021 2:15:35 GMT -5
Tatum is not ready to be a #1 and Jaylen is not ready to be a #2. It’s a team of overrated players that don’t value winning. Loser team. I mean they clanked how many open threes? I really think it's less not valuing winning, more "not enough good basketball players." So loser/losing team, sure.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 30, 2021 7:42:05 GMT -5
How is it talent the last two games? Minnesota had all five starters out, Clippers are without their two best players. Are people really saying Marcus Morris is a great #1 that's why we lost?
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Post by ianrs on Dec 30, 2021 8:26:35 GMT -5
How is it talent the last two games? Minnesota had all five starters out, Clippers are without their two best players. Are people really saying Marcus Morris is a great #1 that's why we lost? Not sure if you are referring to my post, but what my argument is that the reason we are losing is because the Celtics don't have enough talent, lol
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 30, 2021 8:31:43 GMT -5
How is it talent the last two games? Minnesota had all five starters out, Clippers are without their two best players. Are people really saying Marcus Morris is a great #1 that's why we lost? People have been whistling past the graveyard and making one excuse after another for years now. I know people think I just come here to vent (and that’s largely true during games) but there’s clearly something off with this group of players. I was not expecting title contenders the past two seasons, but they easily have enough talent to be above .500. Yes, Ime has done a dreadful job and deserves some of the blame, but these issues have persisted for multiple coaches now. Brad needs to earn that promotion and shake things up a bit, because these issues aren’t going to magically fix themselves with this group of players.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 30, 2021 12:00:36 GMT -5
How is it talent the last two games? Minnesota had all five starters out, Clippers are without their two best players. Are people really saying Marcus Morris is a great #1 that's why we lost? Not sure if you are referring to my post, but what my argument is that the reason we are losing is because the Celtics don't have enough talent, lol You actually believe that the last two games?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 30, 2021 12:49:52 GMT -5
How is it talent the last two games? Minnesota had all five starters out, Clippers are without their two best players. Are people really saying Marcus Morris is a great #1 that's why we lost? People have been whistling past the graveyard and making one excuse after another for years now. I know people think I just come here to vent (and that’s largely true during games) but there’s clearly something off with this group of players. I was not expecting title contenders the past two seasons, but they easily have enough talent to be above .500. Yes, Ime has done a dreadful job and deserves some of the blame, but these issues have persisted for multiple coaches now. Brad needs to earn that promotion and shake things up a bit, because these issues aren’t going to magically fix themselves with this group of players. Last year was Kemba Walker, this year its the coach, his systems, coaching ability and rotations. We've seen all the proof needed that Tatum and Brown aren't great creators and can't go one on 3 and one on four. You need what Ime said he was going to do, yet has never once done. Good ball movement and team play. Some how he thinks Robert Williams, Horford, Tatum, Brown and Smart can play that way. That's not enough floor spacing or creating. He played crazy small playoff rotations most of the year, so now guys like Pritchard and Hauser aren't ready. Him announcing Marcus Smart as the starting PG before a single practice. I could go on for a couple pages. He's just a rigid coach that wants to play one way and won't adjust anything. I've heard him talking about he might change, have yet to see anything. I truly wonder if he ever even had control of this team. If the players don't trust a coach because he does everything wrong I can't blame the players. I can't even judge this team because the data on the way I'd have them playing doesn't exist. It would be one thing if he was using the whole roster and seeing what fits, trying to find the right match. He's still using the basic rollout from the first preseason game, only adjusting for injuries. A coach job is to use the roster he's given to the best of his abilities, he won't even try new things. I've got major worries trying to build a team around a coach like that, that's 100% unproven. A coach that thinking playing Robert Williams, Horford and Smart together is what's best for the team. They likely make moves to save face, yet that's going to be one heck of a deadline if Brad can create a team given the way Ime coaches. Trade Horford, trade Smart, heck trade Grant Williams, while bringing back guys that can create shoot and play good D. Tall order that's for sure. Maybe she should be talking about Stevens pulling a Danny and coming back to the bench.
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 30, 2021 15:06:39 GMT -5
Sorry, but trying to put last season entirely on Kemba is silly.
It was a cacophony of issues - Kemba, Tatum’s issues with COVID, the lack of an offseason for guys to get healthy/better, etc. But we’ve seen the roster overhauled, the coaching staff turn over, and the same problems persist.
The only constants here are Tatum, Jaylen, and Smart. It’s time to change that.
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