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Boston Celtics 2021-2022 Season
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 30, 2021 20:57:38 GMT -5
I've been crazy negative, yet Horford, Tatum, Brown, Richardson and Schroder looked good together. I feel they are close if he plays that group.
They competed, played likely the best team ball I've seen. I can live with a young Tatum making mistakes when he plays all out. I feel good, yet if Ime goes back to a two big lineup I'll lose it.
I'd literally do whole practices where they can't shoot three point shots. I love seeing Tatum and Brown take 56 shots with only 10 three point attempts.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 30, 2021 21:56:53 GMT -5
I've been crazy negative, yet Horford, Tatum, Brown, Richardson and Schroder looked good together. I feel they are close if he plays that group. They competed, played likely the best team ball I've seen. I can live with a young Tatum making mistakes when he plays all out. I feel good, yet if Ime goes back to a two big lineup I'll lose it. I'd literally do whole practices where they can't shoot three point shots. I love seeing Tatum and Brown take 56 shots with only 10 three point attempts. 10-27 on 2s for Tatum is really inefficient, though. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 30, 2021 22:53:36 GMT -5
I've been crazy negative, yet Horford, Tatum, Brown, Richardson and Schroder looked good together. I feel they are close if he plays that group. They competed, played likely the best team ball I've seen. I can live with a young Tatum making mistakes when he plays all out. I feel good, yet if Ime goes back to a two big lineup I'll lose it. I'd literally do whole practices where they can't shoot three point shots. I love seeing Tatum and Brown take 56 shots with only 10 three point attempts. 10-27 on 2s for Tatum is really inefficient, though. He had a bad shooting night, I highlighted before how much it happens and how he needs to work on his low post, mid range and driving. I much prefer this game compared to him in the Knicks game going 2-15 from three point land. This is what he needs to work on to take the next step. Take him posting up Beal a few times, he looked lost. Beal schooled him multiple times. Tatum has the perimeter game down, it's time to focus inside. So in my book bad results, yet it feels like progress. |
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Post by philarhody on Oct 31, 2021 0:43:51 GMT -5
10-27 on 2s for Tatum is really inefficient, though. He had a bad shooting night, I highlighted before how much it happens and how he needs to work on his low post, mid range and driving. I much prefer this game compared to him in the Knicks game going 2-15 from three point land. This is what he needs to work on to take the next step. Take him posting up Beal a few times, he looked lost. Beal schooled him multiple times. Tatum has the perimeter game down, it's time to focus inside. So in my book bad results, yet it feels like progress. The problem for me is that he’s forcing shots from everywhere when he doesn’t have it. That makes him a selfish teammate. He needs to get other players involved when it isn’t working for him. He showed some signs of that this season but now it’s out the window in losses like tonight. I really can’t stand his attitude. It’s a combination of cockiness, complaining and apathy. I could deal with the cockiness and complaining, because those are traits you see in many of the great scorers (Larry Bird, MJ, Kobe). The problem is the apathy toward losing. You would never see MJ smiling and yucking it up with the opposing team the way this kid does. You would never hear the indifference and excuse making in press conferences that we have grown accustomed to through Tatum. |
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 31, 2021 9:29:06 GMT -5
At some point, these moral victories around progress need to start translating to wins. Jaylen and Jayson have been in the league long enough that they should be impacting winning more than they have the past two seasons. It’s a bit concerning that they continue to make so many bad decisions in key moments of games (mostly Tatum, as this team doesn’t even look to Jaylen much down the stretch).
We can chalk it up to youth, but that excuse is running thin. They really don’t have as long as of a window to get this thing together as everyone seems to think.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 31, 2021 12:09:22 GMT -5
He had a bad shooting night, I highlighted before how much it happens and how he needs to work on his low post, mid range and driving. I much prefer this game compared to him in the Knicks game going 2-15 from three point land. This is what he needs to work on to take the next step. Take him posting up Beal a few times, he looked lost. Beal schooled him multiple times. Tatum has the perimeter game down, it's time to focus inside. So in my book bad results, yet it feels like progress. The problem for me is that he’s forcing shots from everywhere when he doesn’t have it. That makes him a selfish teammate. He needs to get other players involved when it isn’t working for him. He showed some signs of that this season but now it’s out the window in losses like tonight. I really can’t stand his attitude. It’s a combination of cockiness, complaining and apathy. I could deal with the cockiness and complaining, because those are traits you see in many of the great scorers (Larry Bird, MJ, Kobe). The problem is the apathy toward losing. You would never see MJ smiling and yucking it up with the opposing team the way this kid does. You would never hear the indifference and excuse making in press conferences that we have grown accustomed to through Tatum. This is what led to my comments on Tatum last night. His boyfriend Beal had a great game and Tatum tried to keep up and couldn't leading to a bad game, I hope Ime had a conversation with him. He was forcing it a lot and not looking for his teammates even when doubled, that does not endear you to them. I saw more than 1 look of disappointment. Right now he needs to focus on being a better team player and stop thinking he has arrived as the man. That's just what it looked like to me last night. I was watching with a friend who has coached for 25 years and has some state championships and coach of the yr awards, he was disgusted and wanted to watch the Bruins instead. The C's aren't pushing the ball and have very little in the way of a team orientated offense, no ball movement just iso most times down the court. Not much fun to watch. I had my hopes up but it seems our young studs have a lot to learn about winning basketball. |
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Post by philarhody on Oct 31, 2021 15:14:06 GMT -5
So I’ve commented on how disappointing Tatum’s leadership and mindset is.
Ime is also a problem. This team is more talented than they were last year. No Kemba (ive been saying he sucked since the bubble, no defense, he’s the 7th or 8th best player in the Knicks), No Tristan. Schroder, Horford and Richardson are all upgrades.
On top of that, Nesmith, Pritchard, TimeLord, Grant and Romeo are all a year older.
Yet, Nesmith has barely seen the floor. This is very bad for the future value of the team. I know he plays out of control at times. Excuse him for giving a flip.
Pritchard should be getting some of Smarts minutes, and Ime should allow him fo initiate the offense. He plays under control and never takes a bad shot.
Romeo’s greatest skill on offense is his pick and roll and driving ability. When he gets in the game, what does this team do? Stick him in the corner and watch the Jay show.
This team has sacrificed its young talent so that Jayson and Jaylen can become further and further entrenched into isolation hero ball bs. The whole thing is busted, and Ime has made it worse.
I get it. He’s a former player. He’s black. But can he coach?
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Post by ianrs on Nov 1, 2021 12:14:53 GMT -5
Agree that Ime needs to have a larger rotation and play Nesmith. Nesmith looked legitimately like he had made progress early in the season and we cannot afford to burn out Tatum and Brown by the end of December.
I do think Ime can coach, they picked him for a reason lol and he has a ton of backers around the league, I wouldn't pass judgment too quickly after a handful of games with a new roster even though there are obvious areas he needs to improve.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 1, 2021 15:31:11 GMT -5
There isn’t a must win in game 7, but they really kind of need to beat a good team at home right now.
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 1, 2021 15:39:51 GMT -5
Agree that Ime needs to have a larger rotation and play Nesmith. Nesmith looked legitimately like he had made progress early in the season and we cannot afford to burn out Tatum and Brown by the end of December. I do think Ime can coach, they picked him for a reason lol and he has a ton of backers around the league, I wouldn't pass judgment too quickly after a handful of games with a new roster even though there are obvious areas he needs to improve. This is a good point that I think can be taken another step. They can't have too big a rotation either. So far this season they have yet to be healthy enough to play their top 6 players, regardless of who you think that 6 is. So what is the rotation when they are finally healthy. Ime has a tough job in figuring that out, getting these guys to play better and actually playing good team ball. Right now they don't look even close to figuring any of that out. |
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Post by philarhody on Nov 1, 2021 15:48:15 GMT -5
Agree that Ime needs to have a larger rotation and play Nesmith. Nesmith looked legitimately like he had made progress early in the season and we cannot afford to burn out Tatum and Brown by the end of December. I do think Ime can coach, they picked him for a reason lol and he has a ton of backers around the league, I wouldn't pass judgment too quickly after a handful of games with a new roster even though there are obvious areas he needs to improve. This is a good point that I think can be taken another step. They can't have too big a rotation either. So far this season they have yet to be healthy enough to play their top 6 players, regardless of who you think that 6 is. So what is the rotation when they are finally healthy. Ime has a tough job in figuring that out, getting these guys to play better and actually playing good team ball. Right now they don't look even close to figuring any of that out. Well he needs to begin by implementing an offense. And he needs the players’ hearts to do so. And it doesn’t appear like either of those things are a reality. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 1, 2021 20:19:14 GMT -5
It’s going to suck when this game is tied shortly
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 1, 2021 20:22:37 GMT -5
Trade everyone, fire everyone
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 1, 2021 20:29:04 GMT -5
Ime has gone out of his way not to develop his bench in the first couple weeks. The start of the fourth quarter is the result of his incompetence.
Trade everyone, fire everyone.
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Post by mobaz on Nov 1, 2021 20:35:51 GMT -5
"We are finally killing someone," he says to himself with a 19 point lead.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 1, 2021 20:40:22 GMT -5
can a collapse be epic this early in the season? Apparently so.
Team has to actually learn how to win. Ime has a big job ..figuring out who actually wants to play winning basketball.
Tatum a -16.
outscored - AT HOME - 37-9 in the 4th Q (so far). How soon will heads end up rolling?
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 1, 2021 20:48:16 GMT -5
Does Tatum actually value winning? He only seems interested in whining incessantly and leaving his team in a bad spot defensively.
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Post by philarhody on Nov 1, 2021 20:54:28 GMT -5
Does Tatum actually value winning? He only seems interested in whining incessantly and leaving his team in a bad spot defensively. I think he values it if it increases his star. I don’t think it’s a high priority for him. |
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Post by sarasoxer on Nov 1, 2021 21:05:12 GMT -5
Ime has gone out of his way not to develop his bench in the first couple weeks. The start of the fourth quarter is the result of his incompetence. Trade everyone, fire everyone. Wait....wait!!! A couple of days ago you said Ime should be given a couple of years to sort things out. Now you want to tar and feather his butt for "incompetence"? wcp3, I appreciate your frustration with which I share. But I also accept and welcome failure as the impetus for significant change. If we continue down this path, big, fundamental and exciting changes will occur. I'm in.... |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 1, 2021 21:11:26 GMT -5
Ime has gone out of his way not to develop his bench in the first couple weeks. The start of the fourth quarter is the result of his incompetence. Trade everyone, fire everyone. Wait....wait!!! A couple of days ago you said Ime should be given a couple of years to sort things out. Now you want to tar and feather his butt for "incompetence"? wcp3, I appreciate your frustration with which I share. But I also accept and welcome failure as the impetus for significant change. If we continue down this path, big, fundamental and exciting changes will occur. I'm in.... The team certainly isn't playing the "Celtics Way" way! |
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Post by philarhody on Nov 1, 2021 21:20:17 GMT -5
Ime talks in the press conference about how the Celtic’s “took their foot off the gas” and he “told them not to do that.”
Ime, we all watched the game. We know they gave up playing hard. The question is not what happened. The question is are you holding anyone accountable?
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 1, 2021 22:19:09 GMT -5
Neither Jaylen nor Tatum were available to speak to the media tonight. I really don’t care much about postgame quotes, but the lack of leadership and accountability from these two is breathtaking.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 1, 2021 22:35:29 GMT -5
Too early to start scouting top draft prospects?
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 1, 2021 23:28:22 GMT -5
So what gets me is this: IN THEORY, the Celtics have a lot of guys they can throw at DeRozan. Smart, Tatum, Brown, Richardson, heck even Langford. How can he go off for 37?
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Post by ianrs on Nov 2, 2021 0:09:12 GMT -5
Man, if you're going to lose, at least play Nesmith and Romeo more minutes.
Ime and Tatum looking real bad to start this off. Could get ugly quick with all the postgame shots being taken.
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