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Patriots 2022 Offseason Thread
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 18, 2022 6:25:18 GMT -5
RJP what's up with PFF rankings? Like how can they not have Christian Watson and Kyle Phillips ranked? Watson is like an Alec Pierce clone, Pierce is rated 91st. Multiple other places have Phillips in the 90s to 160s. I thought I was going crazy doing their mocks, a deep WR class just vanishes quickly and it's because two guys I'm highly interested in aren't rated to be drafted. I’m not sure, they haven’t called me recently.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 18, 2022 12:50:15 GMT -5
RJP what's up with PFF rankings? Like how can they not have Christian Watson and Kyle Phillips ranked? Watson is like an Alec Pierce clone, Pierce is rated 91st. Multiple other places have Phillips in the 90s to 160s. I thought I was going crazy doing their mocks, a deep WR class just vanishes quickly and it's because two guys I'm highly interested in aren't rated to be drafted. I’m not sure, they haven’t called me recently. Umm okay, was basically asking will they update it and when. Given you've had it for years. I almost bought, heck still likely will if they upgrade it. It's just a crazy small list compared to other places. Which is rather surprising to me.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 19, 2022 1:26:36 GMT -5
My first deep dive into LBers and at least by NFL draft buzz reports I'm not overly excited. I love Brandon Smith the athlete, that's exactly what I want, yet he sounds crazy anti Bill. Leo Chenal fits as an outside guy if you want a rusher, though that's something they didn't do a ton of last year. Chad Muma is 100% a Bill guy, yet he's not an elite athlete. I love Channing Tindall, he's the type of guy that could completely change the D. I wish there were more of him. Yet part time player that had fewer snaps his entire career than Muma did last year.
I'm so confused trying to pick out defenders at DT, DE and LB, given that Bill always changes the D. We go 3-4, 4-3 and hybrids in between.
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Post by cdj on Feb 19, 2022 11:49:59 GMT -5
I’ve seen Muma get sideline to sideline pretty quickly, I don’t necessarily think it’s elite athleticism that does it for him but he seems to have great instincts. Haven’t really done a deep dive on him though
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 20, 2022 7:29:53 GMT -5
My first deep dive into LBers and at least by NFL draft buzz reports I'm not overly excited. I love Brandon Smith the athlete, that's exactly what I want, yet he sounds crazy anti Bill. Leo Chenal fits as an outside guy if you want a rusher, though that's something they didn't do a ton of last year. Chad Muma is 100% a Bill guy, yet he's not an elite athlete. I love Channing Tindall, he's the type of guy that could completely change the D. I wish there were more of him. Yet part time player that had fewer snaps his entire career than Muma did last year. I'm so confused trying to pick out defenders at DT, DE and LB, given that Bill always changes the D. We go 3-4, 4-3 and hybrids in between. I’m intrigued by Travis Jones… i understand he’s limited in some respects but our run game needs a stopper and he looks like he could be a force there with some utility as a guy who can push the pocket from the middle and make it easier on our other pass rushers.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 20, 2022 7:30:37 GMT -5
I’m not sure, they haven’t called me recently. Umm okay, was basically asking will they update it and when. Given you've had it for years. I almost bought, heck still likely will if they upgrade it. It's just a crazy small list compared to other places. Which is rather surprising to me. I was just messing around, I have no clue if they’ll update it. I’d hope so but they seem to be missing reports on a bunch of prospects this year.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 20, 2022 7:33:34 GMT -5
I’ve seen Muma get sideline to sideline pretty quickly, I don’t necessarily think it’s elite athleticism that does it for him but he seems to have great instincts. Haven’t really done a deep dive on him though I tend to agree, I think he’s faster and quicker than given credit for, but maybe that’s simply in the college game.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 20, 2022 8:46:44 GMT -5
Umm okay, was basically asking will they update it and when. Given you've had it for years. I almost bought, heck still likely will if they upgrade it. It's just a crazy small list compared to other places. Which is rather surprising to me. I was just messing around, I have no clue if they’ll update it. I’d hope so but they seem to be missing reports on a bunch of prospects this year. They added those two guys like a day after, I was like nice they finally reached out to RJP lol. Yeah still a bunch missing like the other Bama CB not Jobe and I'm not even close to being up to date on this draft yet. It's like they need to add another couple hundred players, most have lists of 400 to 500 plus players and Bill is still likely to take a guy no one has.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 20, 2022 8:50:26 GMT -5
I’ve seen Muma get sideline to sideline pretty quickly, I don’t necessarily think it’s elite athleticism that does it for him but he seems to have great instincts. Haven’t really done a deep dive on him though I tend to agree, I think he’s faster and quicker than given credit for, but maybe that’s simply in the college game. It's just hard judging speed given the talent he played against, combine will be big for him.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 20, 2022 15:57:42 GMT -5
My first deep dive into LBers and at least by NFL draft buzz reports I'm not overly excited. I love Brandon Smith the athlete, that's exactly what I want, yet he sounds crazy anti Bill. Leo Chenal fits as an outside guy if you want a rusher, though that's something they didn't do a ton of last year. Chad Muma is 100% a Bill guy, yet he's not an elite athlete. I love Channing Tindall, he's the type of guy that could completely change the D. I wish there were more of him. Yet part time player that had fewer snaps his entire career than Muma did last year. I'm so confused trying to pick out defenders at DT, DE and LB, given that Bill always changes the D. We go 3-4, 4-3 and hybrids in between. I’m intrigued by Travis Jones… i understand he’s limited in some respects but our run game needs a stopper and he looks like he could be a force there with some utility as a guy who can push the pocket from the middle and make it easier on our other pass rushers. I just don't know, what type of D are they going to run? Do you think he can become a three down player or just a run stuffer? I don't know if Bill takes Wilfork if he's there this year, yet who knows because Bill keeps changing the D. I certainly want one of those huge guys, I thought letting Shelton go was a mistake. Brought in Allen for similar money and he never played. I'm just confused and I'm having a really hard time targeting guys at those positions. The front has changed for the last 4 years on our D. Making it hard on the players also. Winovich spends all offseason getting bulked up to be a 3 down DE and then Bill goes bigger on DL, thus reducing Winovich role to just pass rusher. Yet he bulked up, so he wasn't very good last year.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 20, 2022 19:42:32 GMT -5
I’m intrigued by Travis Jones… i understand he’s limited in some respects but our run game needs a stopper and he looks like he could be a force there with some utility as a guy who can push the pocket from the middle and make it easier on our other pass rushers. I just don't know, what type of D are they going to run? Do you think he can become a three down player or just a run stuffer? I don't know if Bill takes Wilfork if he's there this year, yet who knows because Bill keeps changing the D. I certainly want one of those huge guys, I thought letting Shelton go was a mistake. Brought in Allen for similar money and he never played. I'm just confused and I'm having a really hard time targeting guys at those positions. The front has changed for the last 4 years on our D. Making it hard on the players also. Winovich spends all offseason getting bulked up to be a 3 down DE and then Bill goes bigger on DL, thus reducing Winovich role to just pass rusher. Yet he bulked up, so he wasn't very good last year. I think he has the ceiling to be a 3 down player able to collapse a pocket. If you want to play light in the back and rush 4, I feel like a guy that’s huge and takes 2 blockers helps on both fronts. It’s so frustrating seeing the gashed up the middle constantly, but it doesn’t seem like many teams do that.
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Post by philarhody on Feb 20, 2022 20:28:41 GMT -5
It seems like Jonathan Davis is totally a Belichick player. If he’s there, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s the pick.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 21, 2022 6:38:20 GMT -5
It makes sense in theory if you can get the right player RJP, finding that player won't be easy though.
Danny Shelton had 61 tackles 3 sacks and 9 pressures while playing 49% of the snaps in 2019. Now it was hard to judge him because they played few defensive lineman and loaded up on LBers. Yet he signed for 1.12 million and didn't have a good year on a bad Giants team. So he's likely available for peanuts. Vince Wilwork only had one year with more QB hits than Shelton had in 2019.
I've been looking at Logan Hall, mainly because he can do many different things. Gives Bill many different options.
Otito Ogbonnia DT UCLA right now is a late round target. Manly because of value and his negatives are technique related like plays high, lacks good hand movements, things that can be coached.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 21, 2022 7:38:02 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 21, 2022 7:53:11 GMT -5
Yeah that would suck, would basically make the combine worthless and mean waiting for individual workouts.
I'm torn though, like players need a team to do a combine? Loosen the restrictions and you might have the rest of the players doing the samething. Going to be hard finding middle ground when this Country is split on covid right now.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 22, 2022 15:53:42 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Feb 22, 2022 15:58:23 GMT -5
If they resign Jackson at that money idc who else they sign, I’ll be at the very least ok with the off-season
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 23, 2022 8:40:36 GMT -5
Pats haven’t reached out to Jackson, his comment:
"I guess they feel like they don't need me," Jackson said. "I guess I can't be that important to them. I know I am, but they're not showing me."
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Post by costpet on Feb 23, 2022 8:59:13 GMT -5
It's not a question of need. It's a question of cap space. If you don't have it, you can't spend it.
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Post by texs31 on Feb 23, 2022 9:56:59 GMT -5
The fact that they haven't reached out doesn't worry me. The fact JC has already started speaking out does.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 23, 2022 11:13:25 GMT -5
The fact that they haven't reached out doesn't worry me. The fact JC has already started speaking out does. I’ve always hated the Pats approach of not reaching out to players. Obviously, they’ve done well over the years but it doesn’t seem like good relationship building to not at least have a conversation to let them know you want them.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 23, 2022 13:41:50 GMT -5
Patriots reached out to him about an extension end of last year, he basically blew them off and never got back to them, saying he was just focused on ending the year. Now he's upset, not good because tagging him ties up a huge amount till a deal is done. I'd say this increases the chances he gets traded.
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Post by costpet on Feb 24, 2022 9:00:14 GMT -5
Jackson is gone. BB has a problem dealing with good players. He hates paying them. I think this year is a down year with all the players and coaches leaving and no cap space to replace them. Our draft position is nothing special. Hopefully, he had another great draft like last year. It will take a lot of patience to develop.
Positions in need: WR LB OT CB
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 24, 2022 10:43:46 GMT -5
Some teams are way over the cap for 2022 and are making moves to get under. GB is WAY over and just restructured 2 deals by not only turning salary into bonuses but by adding voidable years. It seems like just putting off financial troubles into the future but with the cap expected to go up by 25 million/yr in each of the next few years it gives teams flexibility to sign players in FA now.
The Pats might be up against it by a bit but they are in much better shape than many other teams. As far as JC goes if BB thinks he is a top 5 CB he will pay him as such, his defense is dependent on guys who can play man and JC is one of the best. Now if BB doesn't feel he is that good, like he thought about Asante Samuel years ago, then he won't. The thing about AS was he wasn't very good against the run, I don't think JC falls into that category. As far as what JC has said I choose to focus on what he said about playing under the tag, which is that he will, Asante wouldn't. Of course the best thing would be that they sign JC to a deal that puts some of the cost out into the future and I still expect that will happen. Remember, BB is the guy who surprised many when he gave Gilmore that big contract quickly a few years back, he values a great CB. Does he consider JC to be a great CB? We shall see.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 24, 2022 16:45:00 GMT -5
I hope they resign him, yet you just can't count out a trade given its Bill and that crap isn't something he likes. The question is what's the market for a top CB on a franchise tag?
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