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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 19, 2013 16:10:08 GMT -5
FWIW 3 Sox beat reporters have speculated in the last 3 days that if anyone from the infield is traded at the deadline it will be Iggy: Cafardo, Tim Britton and Brian MacPherson. Cafardo went as far as quoting citing an "NL GM" as a source saying basically the Sox front office would be nuts to do so: One National League GM couldn’t quite understand their infatuation with Drew. “They’re either trying to justify the $9.5 million they paid him, or they’re not sold on [Jose] Iglesias, who could start for 29 other teams.” I know what they're thinking - his value will never be higher but that assumes that GMs don't know from small samples and streakiness. But if he's 23 will his value never be higher or is he one of those guys who is literally figuring it out as we watch - not to the tune of a .400 ave but closer to .250-260 with all that delicious range, glove and arm? I, for one, would be crushed if they dealt him unless the return on a package sending Jose and friends out the door (i.e. for of those who just reading every other word - Jose would be part of a group of players, not Jose alone) is an elite player of need (Lee, Shields, Stanton, etc). But, like, if they traded him for Jesse Crain - really would be a soiled diapers meltdown over here (though of course you wouldn't know it by my outward calm and professional demeanor). +1. This. I don't know about the legitimacy of the NL GM, but it is exactly how I feel. I think they are trying to maximize his value for either a trade or qualifying offer, which is a great strategy, but can be taken too far. I don't think we are at the point yet, but we are close and trading Iglesias would be
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Post by hammerhead on Jun 19, 2013 16:15:03 GMT -5
I think the Boston infatuation with Drew is that they think he'll get on base at an advanced clip. I'm not so sure they're wrong. Again I don't see what the rush is, especially with Middlebrooks struggling.
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Post by godot on Jun 19, 2013 16:29:42 GMT -5
Now that is interesting, but hard to figure out their sources or is just speculation and then asking around. Cafardo would take it out of his butt hole, but for two other decent writers note suggests that where there is smoke there is fire. Then again, is their speculation or have baseball folk told them the Sox were shopping Jose. As noted, it makes some sense. He is about the only one that has real value. Drew will not get you much nor would Middlebrooks. There is also the X-Man in wait. They also may be thinking they have shot at the big ring with a few key additions, and Iggy would help bring them. But I prefer to wait on this one. Reporters can get silly around trade deadline time. but so can management.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 20, 2013 1:15:38 GMT -5
Trading either Drew or Iglesias would be dumb this year if they have any hopes for the postseason. They need and want the depth. It's a good problem.
I would not trade Iggy at this point. I'd trade Drew, but only if we got a closer somehow out of it.
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 22, 2013 16:37:44 GMT -5
Evan Drellich ? evandrellich 3m John Farrell said Will Middlebrooks Jose Iglesias concern has been flip flopped: now its making sure Will gets enough ABs to remain in ML Brian MacPherson ?@brianmacp 4m Jose Iglesias is pretty much an everyday player at this point, Farrell said: "He makes us a better team when he's on the field."
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Post by sammo420 on Jun 22, 2013 16:56:23 GMT -5
Evan Drellich ? evandrellich 3m John Farrell said Will Middlebrooks Jose Iglesias concern has been flip flopped: now its making sure Will gets enough ABs to remain in ML Brian MacPherson ?@brianmacp 4m Jose Iglesias is pretty much an everyday player at this point, Farrell said: "He makes us a better team when he's on the field." I know this is the Iggy thread and not the WMB thread but we do know Iggy will regress at least a little bit right? Also think about what most of us thought about him a year or so ago, sound familiar? Its probably about what most of us think of WMB right now. Not saying either is a superstar or a bust just that Iggy isn't as good as he's been and WMB isn't as bad as he's been.
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Post by danr on Jun 22, 2013 17:18:30 GMT -5
Yes, you never are as good as you look when you win, or as bad as you look when you lose. But when Farrell took Iglesias out of the lineup to give WMB some ABs, the team did not do as well. It appears that until Iglesias stops hitting, he is going to be playing, as he should be. The team's concern right now is winning, not who gets enough ABs.
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Post by mainesox on Jun 22, 2013 18:19:35 GMT -5
Seriously, why force ABs? Send Will down to get consistent at bats and work on what ever the issue is, play Iggy every day, and call Holt! (or whoever) up to be the utility guy.
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Post by sammo420 on Jun 22, 2013 19:42:39 GMT -5
Yes, you never are as good as you look when you win, or as bad as you look when you lose. But when Farrell took Iglesias out of the lineup to give WMB some ABs, the team did not do as well. It appears that until Iglesias stops hitting, he is going to be playing, as he should be. The team's concern right now is winning, not who gets enough ABs. I'm just amazed at how quickly people jump on or off the bandwagon. Ups and downs are a part of baseball.
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Post by colombianrsox on Jun 23, 2013 7:11:49 GMT -5
And today, just today, Iglesias is a lifetime .313 hitter and a .799 OBP! Of course he is not a .400+ hitter, but I certainly remember when people said about Nava: "Let's use the guy's hot streak". Whatever happens, Iglesias is evolving into a very good player. Good for him. Could anyone could tell me about the contract status of Iglesias? Thank you..
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jun 23, 2013 9:33:40 GMT -5
This is a little short sighted, but the Red Sox have scored the most runs in the MLB, they have the best record in the AL. They have had 58 games of 213/300/317 slash line out of their starting SS. I don't think the complete success of the team relies solely on the SS's ability to hit above average. Iglesias costs less than 25% percent of what Drew costs, we have him under control for the foreseeable future, he is young and only going to get better. Why is he not our starting SS??? Sadly because Middlebrooks is not hitting. I'd love to see those two youngsters be our left side of the infield for a long time, but right now Will isn't doing his part.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jun 23, 2013 10:26:05 GMT -5
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Post by jimoh on Jun 23, 2013 10:35:25 GMT -5
Not really a full answer to the question. I think after his contract runs out after this year the Sox control him first for two years at about 500k per (490 is the minimum?), then for two or three years in which he will be eligible for arbitration.
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Post by jdb on Jun 23, 2013 10:53:28 GMT -5
According to BR he is in he last year of a 4 yr 14.24 million contract. Says he is Arb eligible in 2016 and can be a FA in 2019. www.baseball-reference.com/players/i/iglesjo01.shtmlYear Age Team Salary Sources Notes/Other Sources 2010 20 Boston Red Sox $2,060,000 2011 21 Boston Red Sox $2,060,000 2012 22 Boston Red Sox $2,060,000 contracts 2013 23 Boston Red Sox $2,060,000 2013 Status Pre-Arb Eligible, Earliest Arb Eligible: 2016, Earliest Free Agent: 2019 Career to date (may be incomplete) $8,240,000
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 24, 2013 6:02:47 GMT -5
We're always joking about his babip. But, he hit a line drive to left-center off Verlander that was caught yesterday. He was probably looking for fastball. But, that's the way to approach a guy hitting the upper 90's. A year ago I would have thought that if Verlander didn't strike him out, he'd have knocked the bat out of his hands. I know it's still a SSS but, I'm beginning to think he might become an Omar Vizquel type offensive player. And, if he does. He's your shortstop and that's it.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 24, 2013 8:47:23 GMT -5
Why is there no talk about Iglesias and ROY? Yes we get it he is not a 400 hitter, but he has been so far this year. As of right now I don't see how you can make an argument for anyone else in the AL.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 24, 2013 9:10:04 GMT -5
We're always joking about his babip. But, he hit a line drive to left-center off Verlander that was caught yesterday. He was probably looking for fastball. But, that's the way to approach a guy hitting the upper 90's. A year ago I would have thought that if Verlander didn't strike him out, he'd have knocked the bat out of his hands. I know it's still a SSS but, I'm beginning to think he might become an Omar Vizquel type offensive player. And, if he does. He's your shortstop and that's it. From your pixels to the Baseball Gods' ears/eyes/external sensory perception abilities.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 24, 2013 9:52:31 GMT -5
Why is there no talk about Iglesias and ROY? Because it's June? If he's still hitting well in a month, then giddyup. He became an official starter like, a week ago.
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Post by colombianrsox on Jun 25, 2013 20:27:33 GMT -5
Mmmm.. Time to trade Iglesias. He has peak value now! Lol
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 25, 2013 21:25:54 GMT -5
Posted this in the game thread but thought I'd add it here. Igelesias' plate discipline and contact #'s are almost at Pedey's level this year. It appears that only his BAPIP #'s are a fluke and his walk % is likely to actually go up. His K% rate is close to elite. Fangraphs
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Post by brendan98 on Jun 26, 2013 8:36:09 GMT -5
So if Iglesias proves over the course of the rest of the 2013 season, that he can provide a significant amount of offense to go with his stellar defense, who is the Red Sox SS of the future, Xander or Iggy?
IMO, it is a no-brainer, I think they are both in your starting 9, but Iglesias is a gold glove caliber SS, and Xander is something less at the position (possibly significantly less). I’ve seen the argument made here, that to maximize Xander’s value, he needs to be at SS, but if both he and Iglesias are in the lineup, that argument doesn’t hold water, unless the goal is to make Xander the most possible $$ when he hits free agency (or maximize his trade value), but between the lines, the Sox are a better baseball team with Iglesias at SS.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 26, 2013 9:29:56 GMT -5
Xander's bat plays at any position. Iglesias' does not. What do the Red Sox want to do, "Maximize Value" or play their best 9? ("We're getting blow out dad! Yeah but look at all that value on the field, Timmy!") If Iglesias proves he can hit like a league ave SS or better he's your shortstop and Xander goes to 3rd or wherever else he fits.
Only caveat is if Sox really still don't believe in Jose. Then they trade him for Nick Punto.
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Post by okin15 on Jun 26, 2013 9:33:55 GMT -5
If Will and Xander both hit in Pawtucket, I'd be game to trade Drew. Those are two big if's, and I think you have to wait till close to the ASB before you are comfortable with it. But as he gets further from being a compensable type FA, and these other guys push for playing time, I think your best lineup THIS year may include 2 of the three younger guys. Only time will tell.
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Post by jdb on Jun 26, 2013 10:31:55 GMT -5
Xander's bat plays at any position. Iglesias' does not. What do the Red Sox want to do, "Maximize Value" or play their best 9? ("We're getting blow out dad! Yeah but look at all that value on the field, Timmy!") If Iglesias proves he can hit like a league ave SS or better he's your shortstop and Xander goes to 3rd or wherever else he fits. Only caveat is if Sox really still don't believe in Jose. Then they trade him for Nick Punto. It really will be intersting to follow that's for sure. Reports have Discarina being pleased with Xander's defense as well. Do you try and squeez a few years at SS out of him while Marrero and some of the younger guys develop and look to trade Iglesias? Remember Didi Gregorius was the center piece of the Bauer deal. Iggy could be a valuable piece going forward if he continues putting together quality ABs. If I'm the GM I probably keep Iggy at SS and put Xander at 3B then make a decision on WMBs. Could he fetch a top OF or 1B prospect or move to first? That's if he turns it around in AAA.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 26, 2013 12:00:09 GMT -5
Xander's bat plays at any position. Iglesias' does not. What do the Red Sox want to do, "Maximize Value" or play their best 9? ("We're getting blow out dad! Yeah but look at all that value on the field, Timmy!") If Iglesias proves he can hit like a league ave SS or better he's your shortstop and Xander goes to 3rd or wherever else he fits. Only caveat is if Sox really still don't believe in Jose. Then they trade him for Nick Punto. It really will be intersting to follow that's for sure. Reports have Discarina being pleased with Xander's defense as well. Do you try and squeez a few years at SS out of him while Marrero and some of the younger guys develop and look to trade Iglesias? Remember Didi Gregorius was the center piece of the Bauer deal. Iggy could be a valuable piece going forward if he continues putting together quality ABs. If I'm the GM I probably keep Iggy at SS and put Xander at 3B then make a decision on WMBs. Could he fetch a top OF or 1B prospect or move to first? That's if he turns it around in AAA. If Iglesias can hit like and average MLB SS then you have to play him at SS. Why give up runs there, and lose runs at the plate by playing Iggy at 3rd and having Xander playing an ave SS at best defensively? Makes little sense just to have value. Now if you have a .280/.330/.500 Middlebrooks playing 3rd then, yes, you may want to play Xander at SS and trade Iglesias. Or consider moving MBrooks or Bogaerts to 1st and keeping Jose. All of this is up in the air right now of course.
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