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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 6, 2022 20:15:25 GMT -5
please tell me that Kluber isn't this good. Only one good start out of his last five... now two out of six...
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Post by Guidas on Jul 6, 2022 20:15:56 GMT -5
Cannot be losing these AL East series.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 6, 2022 20:16:26 GMT -5
Sawamura is begging for the Robles treatment. That wasn't a professional performance - or haircut.
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Post by benzinger on Jul 6, 2022 20:16:51 GMT -5
Cannot be losing these AL East series. Cannot win any series in the AL East. It’s embarrassing.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 6, 2022 20:17:05 GMT -5
Kyle Schwarber fWAR: 2.0 Trevor Story fWAR: 1.9 Starting at second base, number 18, Kyle Schwarber!
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Post by redsox43 on Jul 6, 2022 20:17:35 GMT -5
Looks like not resigning Schwarber is starting to loom over this offense. What would we do with Kyle Schwarber?
EDIT: Clearly some other Lou Gorman fans up in here...
Probably stick him at first base for a year versus Franchy and get the same level of defense there. Put him at DH in 2023 when JDM leaves.
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Post by redsox43 on Jul 6, 2022 20:19:27 GMT -5
Kyle Schwarber fWAR: 2.0 Trevor Story fWAR: 1.9 Probably could have used both unless the Sox plan on getting under the luxury tax by trading some payroll at the deadline.
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Post by dirtdog on Jul 6, 2022 20:23:01 GMT -5
wow.. E Rod isn't talking to the Tigers. that is weird. I was a E Rod fan but I wasnt sorry he moved on. A little too fragile for me and after all these years you still had no idea what you would get. He could be knocked out first time through the order or throw a no no.
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Post by benzinger on Jul 6, 2022 20:23:17 GMT -5
What would we do with Kyle Schwarber?
EDIT: Clearly some other Lou Gorman fans up in here...
Probably stick him at first base for a year versus Franchy and get the same level of defense there. Put him at DH in 2023 when JDM leaves. Exactly. They found plenty of room for him last season. They would again.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 6, 2022 20:24:08 GMT -5
What would we do with Kyle Schwarber?
EDIT: Clearly some other Lou Gorman fans up in here...
Probably stick him at first base for a year versus Franchyahf get the same level of defense there. Put him at DH in 2023 when JDM leaves. It would be great to have him in the lineup but the timing simply wasn't right.
He was also unplayable at 1B. Would've had to be him in LF and Verdugo in RF. There was no way they were going to go into the season with that as the plan (not to mention maybe Arroyo starting at 2B without the Story signing?), especially considering they went 180 degrees in the opposite direction by emphasizing improved defense (which many on this board were clamoring for).
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 6, 2022 20:25:55 GMT -5
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Post by dirtdog on Jul 6, 2022 20:26:20 GMT -5
JDM opting in was the end of Scwarber.
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Post by bosoxnation on Jul 6, 2022 20:27:10 GMT -5
But a full offseason of working on it? He would of been fine and 4 years 80 million was well worth it.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 6, 2022 20:27:31 GMT -5
Probably stick him at first base for a year versus Franchy and get the same level of defense there. Put him at DH in 2023 when JDM leaves. Exactly. They found plenty of room for him last season. They would again. I really think the fizzling of Jeter Downs as a prospect, at least in the short term, had ripple effects. If he had been ready to step in at 2B this year, then no need to spend on Story. Some of his AAV could have gone to Schwarber with the idea that they'd shoehorn him into the lineup wherever they could this year and then DH him starting next season.
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Post by bosoxnation on Jul 6, 2022 20:29:13 GMT -5
Exactly. They found plenty of room for him last season. They would again. I really think the fizzling of Jeter Downs as a prospect, at least in the short term, had ripple effects. If he had been ready to step in at 2B this year, then no need to spend on Story. Some of his AAV could have gone to Schwarber with the idea that they'd shoehorn him into the lineup wherever they could this year and then DH him starting next season. Who’s picking Schwarber over Story? I wanted them both.
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Post by redsox43 on Jul 6, 2022 20:30:07 GMT -5
JDM opting in was the end of Scwarber. The Sox were still in on Schwarber even after JDM opted in. I think the Sox were thinking Casas would be ready by July 2022. That kind of backfired with his injury. He might not make it this year unless he ramps up soon.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 6, 2022 20:30:44 GMT -5
Looks like not resigning Schwarber is starting to loom over this offense. what would we do with 25 homeruns? With Devers out Sox are lacking Power. At least 2022 power.
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Post by dirtdog on Jul 6, 2022 20:34:55 GMT -5
Three hits through 6 wont get it done.
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Post by bosoxnation on Jul 6, 2022 20:36:53 GMT -5
Three hits through 6 wont get it done. What if they were all 2 run homers? lol
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Jul 6, 2022 20:37:33 GMT -5
Sox have been outscored 11-1 (feels like it’s been worse) since stranding second and third with none out in the fifth yesterday.
It’s fine they cooled off but gotta find a way to stay afloat. 3-6 since Toronto isn’t good enough
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Post by manfred on Jul 6, 2022 20:41:01 GMT -5
Kyle Schwarber fWAR: 2.0 Trevor Story fWAR: 1.9 Story also actually has a position too Which is factored in, since a good deal of his WAR is from defense. Story has been fine in a Bellhornian way. He has not lived up to his contract, however, (early days!) and needs to be much better if they let X go and shift him to SS. I don’t think the argument is precisely Story or Schwarber… but it is that there was a guy who signed for a lot less doing as well (better at the plate). If this team’s offense is not great, and if you take X out and lean even more on Story, it doesn’t look good.
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Post by dirtdog on Jul 6, 2022 20:42:58 GMT -5
Sox have been outscored 11-1 (feels like it’s been worse) since stranding second and third with none out in the fifth yesterday. It’s fine they cooled off but gotta find a way to stay afloat. 3-6 since Toronto isn’t good enough Meat of the order not producing.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 6, 2022 20:43:34 GMT -5
If the Sox would have been willing to go over by a lot they could have given Schwarber a full offseason and spring training to get more experience rather than learning on the fly like he was forced to last season.
Maybe he could have been merely bad rather than unplayable, which would match the bad defense Cordero and Dalbec give them.
He certainly would have helped this offense and their plate discipline and he could have shifted to DH in 2023 with Casas taking over 1b which would better fit his timetable.
But it's a nice dream. They were never going to spend like THAT, although it would have been nice.
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Post by jkfer98 on Jul 6, 2022 20:46:18 GMT -5
Are they really going to DFA Davis when Taylor is available to return? idk I dont see it.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 6, 2022 20:50:59 GMT -5
Story also actually has a position too Which is factored in, since a good deal of his WAR is from defense. Story has been fine in a Bellhornian way. He has not lived up to his contract, however, (early days!) and needs to be much better if they let X go and shift him to SS. I don’t think the argument is precisely Story or Schwarber… but it is that there was a guy who signed for a lot less doing as well (better at the plate). If this team’s offense is not great, and if you take X out and lean even more on Story, it doesn’t look good. If a 3.8 WAR pace is Bellhornian, I'm fine with that. Also translates to about $32m, which is not what he's making, so there's a good amount of surplus value so far.
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