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7/4-7/6 Red Sox vs. Rays Series Thread
cdj
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Post by cdj on Jul 4, 2022 15:38:10 GMT -5
Not too shabby for a bullpen game
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 4, 2022 15:43:04 GMT -5
That was the Kutter Crawford stuff that I remember from Spring Training.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 4, 2022 15:49:44 GMT -5
Let's not forget Massive Fudge. He set the tone pitching-wise.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 4, 2022 16:05:57 GMT -5
Since the last starts by Whitlock and Eovaldi, on June 7th and 8th, Red Sox pitchers have given up 3.7 runs/game. That includes 9 starts by rookies and/or Austin Davis in 23 games. The young pitching depth is saving their bacon.
ADD: 3.1 runs/game given up in those 9, in which the team has gone 6-3.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 4, 2022 16:09:13 GMT -5
Since the last starts by Whitlock and Eovaldi, on June 7th and 8th, Red Sox pitchers have given up 3.7 runs/game. That includes 9 starts by rookies and/or Austin Davis in 23 games. The young pitching depth is saving their bacon. This is what keeping prospects is all about.
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Post by bosoxnation on Jul 4, 2022 16:09:37 GMT -5
Since the last starts by Whitlock and Eovaldi, on June 7th and 8th, Red Sox pitchers have given up 3.7 runs/game. That includes 9 starts by rookies and/or Austin Davis in 23 games. The young pitching depth is saving their bacon. THANK YOU BLOOM!
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Post by dirtdog on Jul 4, 2022 16:17:19 GMT -5
I'd much rather win these two series than the last one.
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Post by soxin8 on Jul 4, 2022 16:18:32 GMT -5
When I got in my car and turned on the radio, the pregame had already started on WEEI with Brian Barrett. twitter.com/itsbrianbarrett?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5EauthorBrian does a great job using advanced stats and was discussing the Sox minor leaguers with someone who sounded very knowledgeable about their system. When the interview was over, he thanked Chris H for coming on the show and told everyone listening they should be reading soxprospects if they wanted to know anything about the sox minor leaguers.
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Post by bosoxnation on Jul 4, 2022 16:52:48 GMT -5
I’d much rather have Downs up here trying to learn from X and Story and JD and have Dalbec getting full time ABs in AAA to work on his mechanics. Anyone with me?
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ericmvan
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 4, 2022 17:04:03 GMT -5
How strange is it that, in a year where we have insane organizational SP depth ... that we have to use all of it? Pitchers currently hurt have started 61% of our games. And that's factoring in ... that they've been hurt!
Sale, Eovaldi, Paxton, Wacha, Hill, Whitlock. A formidable rotation! And they're all unavailable at present.
Leaving us with Pivetta and Winckoswki, Crawford, Seabold, and, next up, Bello.
Combined line for the last three outings: 15.1 14 3 2 4 18. That's a 1.17 ERA.
Revised rotation projection (italics are subject to change based on how guys fare in the interim):
Yankees Winckowsi Wacha or Seabold. They can recall Seabold if Wacha has to go on the IL, which I think is likelier than not. Crawford Pivetta
@ Rays Sale
Winkowski or Bello 5 Bello 6 or Winckowski 5 Wacha 5 or Crawford
@ Yankees Pivetta Sale Winckowski, Bello Crawford, Eovaldi
They might also give Pivetta and Sale an extra day in the final series, if Wacha or Eovaldi is able to pitch by then.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 4, 2022 18:06:07 GMT -5
The bullpen has been badly mismanaged by both Bloom and Cora. Lots of high leverage situations going to our two worst guys, Diekman and Robles. Makes no sense to me.
1B is basically a black hole but I at least understand what they are trying to do there even if I think they've left it unaddressed too long.
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Post by cdj on Jul 4, 2022 18:09:07 GMT -5
Bullpen hasn’t really been that bad, hard to say it’s badly mismanaged when it’s top half in results.
People remember blown games when the bullpen would allow like 2 runs total but the team would score 2 runs total so they’d lose 3-2 and then they’d blame the bullpen
I think they’ll make the appropriate tweaks to make it better too
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Post by manfred on Jul 4, 2022 18:12:40 GMT -5
I’d much rather have Downs up here trying to learn from X and Story and JD and have Dalbec getting full time ABs in AAA to work on his mechanics. Anyone with me? No… Dalbec out, yes. Downs up, no.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 4, 2022 18:16:36 GMT -5
Bullpen MLB rank by:
ERA - 14th FIP - 15th WPA - 9th, and very solidly in positive territory at +1.82
Not dispositive, but if anything it seems like that'd suggest bullpen usage has been fairly efficient.
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Post by redsox43 on Jul 4, 2022 18:22:44 GMT -5
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Post by incandenza on Jul 4, 2022 18:28:10 GMT -5
Bullpen hasn’t really been that bad, hard to say it’s badly mismanaged when it’s top half in results. www.mlb.com/redsox/stats/pitching/era?split=i09&playerPool=ALL_CURRENT&sortState=ascThere is some truth to it. All these Red Sox relievers have ERA's over 6 in the ninth inning this year- Tyler Danish Hansel Robles Matt Strahm Ryan Brasier Matt Barnes Jake Diekman Austin Davis The good news is that Tanner Houck has actually stabilized it moving forward with a ERA of 2.08 I don't get why people are acting like the closer problem hasn't been solved. It's Houck now, and he should be fine.
Personally I'm disappointed that his innings will be so limited, but for the closer lovers among you... why aren't you thrilled? Isn't this exactly what you wanted? He's even got a sleeve tat, a severe mien, and eccentric personal beliefs - the classic closer package.
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Post by redsox43 on Jul 4, 2022 18:34:49 GMT -5
I don't get why people are acting like the closer problem hasn't been solved. It's Houck now, and he should be fine.
Personally I'm disappointed that his innings will be so limited, but for the closer lovers among you... why aren't you thrilled? Isn't this exactly what you wanted? He's even got a sleeve tat, a severe mien, and eccentric personal beliefs - the classic closer package.
I'm not a closer lover, but Houck has stabilized things, which is good. I was just making a point that the Sox have mismanaged the ninth innings this year up until the point Houck became a closer. They left a lot of wins on the table due to it.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 4, 2022 18:39:10 GMT -5
I don't get why people are acting like the closer problem hasn't been solved. It's Houck now, and he should be fine.
Personally I'm disappointed that his innings will be so limited, but for the closer lovers among you... why aren't you thrilled? Isn't this exactly what you wanted? He's even got a sleeve tat, a severe mien, and eccentric personal beliefs - the classic closer package.
I'm not a closer lover, but Houck has stabilized things, which is good. I was just making a point that the Sox have mismanaged the ninth innings this year up until the point Houck became a closer. They left a lot of wins on the table due to it. Yeah, I didn't mean to accuse you of being a closer lover; more taking your point as evidence that the closer problem is solved. Yay!
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 4, 2022 18:47:54 GMT -5
Bullpen hasn’t really been that bad, hard to say it’s badly mismanaged when it’s top half in results. People remember blown games when the bullpen would allow like 2 runs total but the team would score 2 runs total so they’d lose 3-2 and then they’d blame the bullpen I think they’ll make the appropriate tweaks to make it better too Boys, we are 6th in team ERA...C'mon!!! To the negative, we have converted only 50% of save opportunities...18 of 36 according to fangraphs.
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Post by bosoxnation on Jul 4, 2022 19:21:12 GMT -5
There are only 4 drafted players on our current roster since 2012 draft and Kutter Crawford is one of them. Proud of the kid today!
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Post by foreverred9 on Jul 4, 2022 20:10:10 GMT -5
I don't get why people are acting like the closer problem hasn't been solved. It's Houck now, and he should be fine. Personally I'm disappointed that his innings will be so limited, but for the closer lovers among you... why aren't you thrilled? Isn't this exactly what you wanted? He's even got a sleeve tat, a severe mien, and eccentric personal beliefs - the classic closer package.
I'm not a closer lover, but Houck has stabilized things, which is good. I was just making a point that the Sox have mismanaged the ninth innings this year up until the point Houck became a closer. They left a lot of wins on the table due to it. I wouldn't say it's been mismanaged though, sure a couple games had me scratching my head, but your point on the 9th inning ERAs feels like poor execution rather than mismanagement. If anything the announcement that Whitlock is going back into the pen upon return (and moving Houck into the closer role) is an example of them trying to take action. And yes, Robles should be DFA'd and likely will be once our injured pitchers come back.
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Post by jchang on Jul 4, 2022 20:37:05 GMT -5
There are only 4 drafted players on our current roster since 2012 draft and Kutter Crawford is one of them. Proud of the kid today! CV, JD, JB, BD, KC, TH? Ok, didn’t realize the 2011’s
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 4, 2022 20:41:12 GMT -5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 4, 2022 20:50:35 GMT -5
Great performance by Crawford. Good job by Davis and Schreiber.
Whatever the Sox do, either catch WC3 or WC1. Just don't wind up as WC2 and have to go to Toronto.
It is amazing how much pitching is percolating in the upper minors and matriculating to the majors, particularly after about 15 years of little more than Felix Doubront after Lester and Buchholz (and Anabal Sanchez).
Now they have Houck and Whitlock, who could either be solid starters or high leverage relievers (I believe Whitlock eventually winds up a starter and Houck a reliever).
They have Bello who is their best starting prospect since Buchholz and other legit starting pitcher candidates in Walter, Murphy, Seabold, and even Groome.
I think Crawford and Mata, along with German, could be legit key pieces to their 2023 bullpen.
There's also Winckowki who can start or relieve, too.
I do suspect one or two of these guys might go in a deal for a closer.
That's a lot of depth. Other than Bello, nobody that necessarily projects as a top tier starter, so I do think that Bloom might consolidate some of that depth for another top tier starter. Or he might simply keep the depth just to survive attrition. And this doesn't count guys like Wikelman Gonzalez or even Noah Song.
That's kind of a stunning development given how the Sox have been forced to go outside the organization to get quality pitching for so long.
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Post by redsox43 on Jul 4, 2022 20:51:08 GMT -5
I'm not a closer lover, but Houck has stabilized things, which is good. I was just making a point that the Sox have mismanaged the ninth innings this year up until the point Houck became a closer. They left a lot of wins on the table due to it. I wouldn't say it's been mismanaged though, sure a couple games had me scratching my head, but your point on the 9th inning ERAs feels like poor execution rather than mismanagement. If anything the announcement that Whitlock is going back into the pen upon return (and moving Houck into the closer role) is an example of them trying to take action. And yes, Robles should be DFA'd and likely will be once our injured pitchers come back. True, poor performance is a lot more to blame. However, when Robles and Danish number 2 and 3 in appearances in the ninth inning, I think there's a lot of head scratching there.
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