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7/7-7/10 Red Sox vs. Yankees Series Thread
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 9, 2022 15:06:06 GMT -5
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Post by redsox43 on Jul 9, 2022 15:08:32 GMT -5
Devers might be going to the IL.
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Post by redsox43 on Jul 9, 2022 15:12:41 GMT -5
I’m still steamed about Cora hanging Seabold out to dry. Cora has not impressed me this season, to be honest. Do managers just have off years? I think that was a organizational decision. Bloom and Cora probably went to Seabold and said "give us all you got." It might have cost him his Red Sox career with this Tommy John scare. Two seasons in a row with ligament issues. Feel bad, but not every prospect works out. If he has Tommy John, maybe he can comeback in Japan for real money and then shove enough to make it back to the Show.
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Post by bosoxnation on Jul 9, 2022 15:13:52 GMT -5
I wish. We would probably need to add Crawford, Seabold, Yorke to that deal. 1 pitcher coming off an injury and a prospect having 1 successful season in low minors isn't going to get it done. Why would a team want the Sox crap? I mean Seabold is a bullpen arm (maybe) and Crawford is a likely org guy. You're probably looking at Yorke (if one believes he's real) plus Bello plus a low-A lottery ticket. And even then you have to beat offers from teams with stronger systems. Most teams don’t judge talent off of a handful of MLB appearances. Seabold has 14 innings and Crawford has 27. They will improve. Yorke Rafela Seabold Crawford Mata That will get the deal done.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 9, 2022 15:20:36 GMT -5
Berrios had a year and a half of control when he was traded last season, same as Castillo, and he fetched two 50 FV prospects. That's equivalent to like a Yorke + Bello package, maybe? But Castillo is a little better than Berrios, so maybe toss another guy in the 10-15 range or so on there as well.
ADD: A little more quality and less quantity than bosoxnation's proposal, but I think both are probably in the ballpark.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 9, 2022 15:40:18 GMT -5
Dalbec .200ba--6hr at 200ab and below Ave defense so how does the term worthless not fit? Some people love themselves Dalbec no matter how terrible he is. He's a bad baseball player. To add, remove his best and worst month last year and recalibrate his total numbers. He's gone from mediocre to awful. Dalbec's career monthly OPS+ totals are 159, 77, 85, 107, 46, 223, 143, 33, 102, 98. That's three huge months, three average months, two bad, and two awful months out of ten. Make of that what you will but it's enough to give me whiplash.
He has a career 88 wRC+ vs. RHP and 129 vs. LHP in 770 PAs. I'm ready to call him a weak-side platoon 1B who is a terrible fielder that can occasionally fill in at 3B.
So far he's been worth 1.1 fWAR in ten months, which works out to 0.66 per season, which is barely replacement level. Waiting for his hit tool to develop to the point where it will unlock his tantalizing raw power is the very definition of faith.
I'd like to see that development happen in Worcester, quite frankly. Franchy went down, raked, worked his way back, and is much the better for it. Why can't Bobby follow the same path? Imagine the reward!
EDIT: He's got two options left. Do they really need to save them for 2023 and 2024?
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Post by bosoxnation on Jul 9, 2022 16:09:43 GMT -5
Berrios had a year and a half of control when he was traded last season, same as Castillo, and he fetched two 50 FV prospects. That's equivalent to like a Yorke + Bello package, maybe? But Castillo is a little better than Berrios, so maybe toss another guy in the 10-15 range or so on there as well.
ADD: A little more quality and less quantity than bosoxnation's proposal, but I think both are probably in the ballpark.
Yorke top 5 Mata top 10 Rafaela top 10 Seabold top 15 Crawford just to give them an MLB ready pitcher. How is that not quality? Please enlighten me.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jul 9, 2022 16:14:05 GMT -5
Berrios had a year and a half of control when he was traded last season, same as Castillo, and he fetched two 50 FV prospects. That's equivalent to like a Yorke + Bello package, maybe? But Castillo is a little better than Berrios, so maybe toss another guy in the 10-15 range or so on there as well. ADD: A little more quality and less quantity than bosoxnation's proposal, but I think both are probably in the ballpark.
Yorke top 5 Mata top 10 Rafaela top 10 Seabold top 15 Crawford just to give them an MLB ready pitcher. How is that not quality? Please enlighten me. Don't trade away the farm for some Stiff ...
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 9, 2022 16:17:41 GMT -5
I wish. We would probably need to add Crawford, Seabold, Yorke to that deal. 1 pitcher coming off an injury and a prospect having 1 successful season in low minors isn't going to get it done. Why would a team want the Sox crap? I mean Seabold is a bullpen arm (maybe) and Crawford is a likely org guy. You're probably looking at Yorke (if one believes he's real) plus Bello plus a low-A lottery ticket. And even then you have to beat offers from teams with stronger systems. This is why I think you target Bell. Just about every team could use a year and a half of Castillo but not everyone needs two months of Bell. Bell fills a big hole in the lineup and shouldn't cost a ton. Bell is younger and will probably command more but Mitchie Two Bags was swinging a hot bat in 2020 before the Sox traded him and they got two Rule 5 eligible mid-level prospects that the Padres weren't going to protect for him. The Nats farm is pretty thin right about now and their window is slammed shut, so they will only want prospects. I would think Groome or Jiminez straight up for Bell might work. Either that or three from a list of Rule 5 eligible kids like Bonaci, Cottam, Feltman, Fitzgerald, German, Koss, Hamilton, Northcut, Santos, Shugart, or Wallace. Obviously there's no sure things there but it's only two months of a 1B-only bat. LFG.
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Post by bosoxnation on Jul 9, 2022 16:37:32 GMT -5
Yorke top 5 Mata top 10 Rafaela top 10 Seabold top 15 Crawford just to give them an MLB ready pitcher. How is that not quality? Please enlighten me. Don't trade away the farm for some Stiff ... you're not trading the farm. You're trading players who may never make it and you keep your top 3 guys. read this article and we would have an ace for next year as well. You give up those 5 guys for a proven ace 10 out of 10 times. Going into the playoffs this year we would have Castillo/Sale/Evoaldi/Pivetta. That gives us a chance. www.mlb.com/news/luis-castillo-is-an-interesting-trade-candidate-in-2022
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 9, 2022 16:40:38 GMT -5
Some people love themselves Dalbec no matter how terrible he is. He's a bad baseball player. To add, remove his best and worst month last year and recalibrate his total numbers. He's gone from mediocre to awful. Dalbec's career monthly OPS+ totals are 159, 77, 85, 107, 46, 223, 143, 33, 102, 98. That's three huge months, three average months, two bad, and two awful months out of ten. Make of that what you will but it's enough to give me whiplash.
He has a career 88 wRC+ vs. RHP and 129 vs. LHP in 770 PAs. I'm ready to call him a weak-side platoon 1B who is a terrible fielder that can occasionally fill in at 3B.
So far he's been worth 1.1 fWAR in ten months, which works out to 0.66 per season, which is barely replacement level. Waiting for his hit tool to develop to the point where it will unlock his tantalizing raw power is the very definition of faith.
I'd like to see that development happen in Worcester, quite frankly. Franchy went down, raked, worked his way back, and is much the better for it. Why can't Bobby follow the same path? Imagine the reward!
EDIT: He's got two options left. Do they really need to save them for 2023 and 2024?
Can we stop with this terrible fielder crap? He's 0 OOA this year, which is exactly average. It hurts your argument when you make stuff up.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 9, 2022 16:42:56 GMT -5
Berrios had a year and a half of control when he was traded last season, same as Castillo, and he fetched two 50 FV prospects. That's equivalent to like a Yorke + Bello package, maybe? But Castillo is a little better than Berrios, so maybe toss another guy in the 10-15 range or so on there as well.
ADD: A little more quality and less quantity than bosoxnation's proposal, but I think both are probably in the ballpark.
Yorke top 5 Mata top 10 Rafaela top 10 Seabold top 15 Crawford just to give them an MLB ready pitcher. How is that not quality? Please enlighten me. That's a pretty contentious response to my agreeing with you, but... I just meant my proposal included two top-4 prospects and then a guy lower down, whereas you were including one top-4 prospect and four guys lower down. I think the overall value of the two packages is similar.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 9, 2022 16:46:25 GMT -5
Dalbec's career monthly OPS+ totals are 159, 77, 85, 107, 46, 223, 143, 33, 102, 98. That's three huge months, three average months, two bad, and two awful months out of ten. Make of that what you will but it's enough to give me whiplash.
He has a career 88 wRC+ vs. RHP and 129 vs. LHP in 770 PAs. I'm ready to call him a weak-side platoon 1B who is a terrible fielder that can occasionally fill in at 3B.
So far he's been worth 1.1 fWAR in ten months, which works out to 0.66 per season, which is barely replacement level. Waiting for his hit tool to develop to the point where it will unlock his tantalizing raw power is the very definition of faith.
I'd like to see that development happen in Worcester, quite frankly. Franchy went down, raked, worked his way back, and is much the better for it. Why can't Bobby follow the same path? Imagine the reward!
EDIT: He's got two options left. Do they really need to save them for 2023 and 2024?
Can we stop with this terrible fielder crap? He's 0 OOA this year, which is exactly average. It hurts your argument when you make stuff up. Now someone is going to say "but he was -6 last year" and then I'll want to point out that the *entirety* of that negative value came in the first few months last season, so he has a full year now in which he's been basically average at 1B. Also, he looks fine to me; I don't know what people are seeing when they say he's terrible - if you want terrible, look no further than Franchy (not that it's his fault that, like Arroyo, he's being played out of position). So let me nip that in the bud before I have to make the argument.
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Post by cdj on Jul 9, 2022 16:47:41 GMT -5
Why are the Padres trading Snell at all(let alone at the bottom of his value)? I guess it’s nice to see a new Padres rumor on here that you isn’t about Wil Myers or Hosmer, but it doesn’t make much sense. Idk, I saw that name on the list and was like “that would be interesting”. Didn’t really give much thought to the padres end of it. Maybe you do something that helps them like Duran for Snell or something. They can trim a little money and add at a position where they’ve been lacking (their outfield situation may even be worse than ours). Sox get a starter with AL East experience.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jul 9, 2022 16:52:40 GMT -5
Berrios had a year and a half of control when he was traded last season, same as Castillo, and he fetched two 50 FV prospects. That's equivalent to like a Yorke + Bello package, maybe? But Castillo is a little better than Berrios, so maybe toss another guy in the 10-15 range or so on there as well.
ADD: A little more quality and less quantity than bosoxnation's proposal, but I think both are probably in the ballpark.
Yorke top 5 Mata top 10 Rafaela top 10 Seabold top 15 Crawford just to give them an MLB ready pitcher. How is that not quality? Please enlighten me. Is this Dave Dombrowski sneaking back on the Red Sox Soxprospect website? A definite “no” on this end.
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Post by manfred on Jul 9, 2022 17:07:59 GMT -5
Maybe the Reds want Downs back?
Mata AND Yorke AND more is pretty steep. But I’d consider Mata and Yorke for Castillo. 2 for 1. I doubt they’d do it, though.
Castillo’s stuff looks pretty awesome. I’d love sending him out in a post-season series 2-3 times.
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Post by cdj on Jul 9, 2022 17:08:45 GMT -5
Castillo is more like a #2 than a true ace. He’s got ace stuff but never fully puts it together for a full season.
He’s kinda what I hope Bello turns into tbh, they’re not all that different in terms of profile
Trading all that for a guy who is not a bonafide ace would be tough
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 9, 2022 17:12:20 GMT -5
There's no way in hell I'm making a major trade for Castillo.
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Post by redsox43 on Jul 9, 2022 17:26:01 GMT -5
Why are the Padres trading Snell at all(let alone at the bottom of his value)? I guess it’s nice to see a new Padres rumor on here that you isn’t about Wil Myers or Hosmer, but it doesn’t make much sense. Idk, I saw that name on the list and was like “that would be interesting”. Didn’t really give much thought to the padres end of it. Maybe you do something that helps them like Duran for Snell or something. They can trim a little money and add at a position where they’ve been lacking (their outfield situation may even be worse than ours). Sox get a starter with AL East experience. The Padres have like 7 starters, I think. It makes sense that he's available. You're probably giving up something from the major league roster to get something from the Padres. Like a Lester for Cespedes trade. Not sure it makes sense from the Sox perspective.
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Post by redsox43 on Jul 9, 2022 17:27:39 GMT -5
There's no way in hell I'm making a major trade for Castillo. I personally would rather ride Bello instead, too. I think he might give you the same production as Castillo.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 9, 2022 17:27:58 GMT -5
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 9, 2022 17:34:34 GMT -5
Dalbec's career monthly OPS+ totals are 159, 77, 85, 107, 46, 223, 143, 33, 102, 98. That's three huge months, three average months, two bad, and two awful months out of ten. Make of that what you will but it's enough to give me whiplash.
He has a career 88 wRC+ vs. RHP and 129 vs. LHP in 770 PAs. I'm ready to call him a weak-side platoon 1B who is a terrible fielder that can occasionally fill in at 3B.
So far he's been worth 1.1 fWAR in ten months, which works out to 0.66 per season, which is barely replacement level. Waiting for his hit tool to develop to the point where it will unlock his tantalizing raw power is the very definition of faith.
I'd like to see that development happen in Worcester, quite frankly. Franchy went down, raked, worked his way back, and is much the better for it. Why can't Bobby follow the same path? Imagine the reward!
EDIT: He's got two options left. Do they really need to save them for 2023 and 2024?
Can we stop with this terrible fielder crap? He's 0 OOA this year, which is exactly average. It hurts your argument when you make stuff up. Sorry, I was going by the FG Def rating, for which he is -4.3 through half the season. This seems bad on the face of it but you're right, it appears to be adjusted for the fact that 1B is considered by analytic types to be an unimportant position that any stiff can play (don't tell Ron Washington). He's actually 5th in that rating this year, out of 20 qualified fielders, up from 19th out of 21 last year.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 9, 2022 17:37:17 GMT -5
There's no way in hell I'm making a major trade for Castillo. I personally would rather ride Bello instead, too. I think he might give you the same production as Castillo. Also, none of the regular starters appear to be seriously injured (unless I missed something), so that's not really an area of big need.
Ring my Bell. Now.
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Post by station13 on Jul 9, 2022 18:16:43 GMT -5
Other than Judge, who is really good in that lineup? Stop handing out free passes to the likes like Gallo and Hicks.
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Post by benzinger on Jul 9, 2022 18:18:55 GMT -5
Maybe the Reds want Downs back? Mata AND Yorke AND more is pretty steep. But I’d consider Mata and Yorke for Castillo. 2 for 1. I doubt they’d do it, though. Castillo’s stuff looks pretty awesome. I’d love sending him out in a post-season series 2-3 times. Not sure how much I trust a guy who’s never pitched in the AL(or in a meaningful game for that matter) as the pitcher you bet the farm on. His stats certainly look good overall. I’m surprised he’s never even finished in the top 20 for Cy Young even once in his career, though. Can’t say I’ve seen him much, but that is strange for an elite guy.
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