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Post by station13 on Jul 9, 2022 20:06:43 GMT -5
Brasiers needs to go away.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 9, 2022 20:07:14 GMT -5
For those of you who don't give a shit about defense, JBJ could have struck out twice tonight like Duran and then caught that double and prevented the run. Probably wouldn't have gotten grass stains either. Has anyone said they don't give a shit about defense? In the whole history of this site, has anyone ever said that? Duran will be a LF who will need to be replaced for late-inning defense. No, they only don't believe in any value that JBJ gives the team. They would never admit something so stupid, though they don't act like they actually understand it when they think trading Renfroe was this huge mistake.
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Post by notstarboard on Jul 9, 2022 20:07:34 GMT -5
With a .315 xBA. Yankees have 7 with a .220. Been like that a ton of games lately. We just go 2-12 w/ RISP while walking 8 and making one or two key misplays in the field.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 9, 2022 20:08:15 GMT -5
Brasiers needs to go away. With an average CF, there would be runners on 1st and 2nd with 2 outs and no runs in.
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Post by billw on Jul 9, 2022 20:09:34 GMT -5
defense is great but you cannot bat .200 with zero power and be an asset--i was so done with Bradley but they brought him back which was a huge mistake--Renfroe has 13 hr
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 9, 2022 20:10:42 GMT -5
Good news guys a gold glove caliber CF that should be good for maybe a league average bat is joining the team any day now
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 9, 2022 20:11:19 GMT -5
With a .315 xBA. Yankees have 7 with a .220. Been like that a ton of games lately. We just go 2-12 w/ RISP while walking 8 and making one or two key misplays in the field. They need to sell souls to someone so that they can pick up Cy Young favorites off DFA and have the best 36 year old hitters in baseball that have barely done anything in 3 years.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 9, 2022 20:11:59 GMT -5
defense is great but you cannot bat .200 with zero power and be an asset--i was so done with Bradley but they brought him back which was a huge mistake--Renfroe has 13 hr See? So there's no value in this game being 1-1 now instead of a 3-1 deficit?
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Post by station13 on Jul 9, 2022 20:12:12 GMT -5
Grasping for JBJ when he cannot hit a lick. We need to redo that OF.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 9, 2022 20:12:33 GMT -5
If Braised isn't DGA'd there's no point for the designation to exist.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 9, 2022 20:12:41 GMT -5
Has anyone said they don't give a shit about defense? In the whole history of this site, has anyone ever said that? Duran will be a LF who will need to be replaced for late-inning defense. No, they only don't believe in any value that JBJ gives the team. They would never admit something so stupid, though they don't act like they actually understand it when they think trading Renfroe was this huge mistake. JBJ has a -0.4 WAR. Duran is 0.4. It's great he's capable of saving runs, but you also have to score runs. Duran's offense is better than JBJ's defense where both are terrible in their opposites.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 9, 2022 20:13:14 GMT -5
Duran is young. He's going to have ups and downs. That's what we need to understand. Also if we don't trade prospects and keep them praying they will make the roster 1 day. Expect that from them too. He's not that young (he'll be 26 in a month) and he's been playing CF almost exclusively since he entered the system without any sort of progress whatsoever.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 9, 2022 20:14:42 GMT -5
No, they only don't believe in any value that JBJ gives the team. They would never admit something so stupid, though they don't act like they actually understand it when they think trading Renfroe was this huge mistake. JBJ has a -0.4 WAR. Duran is 0.4. It's great he's capable of saving runs, but you also have to score runs. Duran's offense is better than JBJ's defense where both are terrible in their opposites. I bet Duran is about .5 WAR closer after this game. And WAR does not account for needing a CF in Fenway's RF so it is not accurate.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 9, 2022 20:15:19 GMT -5
Duran is young. He's going to have ups and downs. That's what we need to understand. Also if we don't trade prospects and keep them praying they will make the roster 1 day. Expect that from them too. He's not that young (he'll be 26 in a month) and he's been playing CF almost exclusively since he entered the system without any sort of progress whatsoever. He's a guy I'd flip if he's got value. I don't trust him long term. Terrible defense that isn't getting better and strikes out too much.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 9, 2022 20:15:21 GMT -5
Well we don’t really have a right fielder. It was a need this off season and Bloom just completely ignored it.
At least with first base, Casas is close. Our outfield situation has been straight up mismanaged.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 9, 2022 20:15:26 GMT -5
Holy Crap, Ref nailed that ball like Manny or Hanley.
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Post by nomar on Jul 9, 2022 20:15:34 GMT -5
Lol Refsnyder keeps doing it. Wow
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 9, 2022 20:15:44 GMT -5
Has anyone said they don't give a shit about defense? In the whole history of this site, has anyone ever said that? Duran will be a LF who will need to be replaced for late-inning defense. No, they only don't believe in any value that JBJ gives the team. They would never admit something so stupid, though they don't act like they actually understand it when they think trading Renfroe was this huge mistake. That trade will depend on what Binelas becomes. In the short-term, the trade is a significant loss for the RS. Renfroe is on pace for >3 WAR. Jackie is on pace to match his disastrous 2021.
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Post by station13 on Jul 9, 2022 20:16:58 GMT -5
Refsnyder is pulling a Pedro Ciriaco right now. I hope it last a bit more.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 9, 2022 20:17:17 GMT -5
No, they only don't believe in any value that JBJ gives the team. They would never admit something so stupid, though they don't act like they actually understand it when they think trading Renfroe was this huge mistake. That trade will depend on what Binelas becomes. In the short-term, the trade is a significant loss for the RS. Renfroe is on pace for >3 WAR. Jackie is on pace to match his disastrous 2021. Renfroe has 1.0 fWAR. Not even close. He is bad defensively and the Red Sox need a CF in RF.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 9, 2022 20:18:19 GMT -5
JBJ has a -0.4 WAR. Duran is 0.4. It's great he's capable of saving runs, but you also have to score runs. Duran's offense is better than JBJ's defense where both are terrible in their opposites. I bet Duran is about .5 WAR closer after this game. And WAR does not account for needing a CF in Fenway's RF so it is not accurate. I mean, maybe. The game would probably be 1-1 still, but he's not going to help them put up number 2 and this Yankees offense will feast on this Red Sox bullpen. We're really discussing two not-so-great options. Today, it backfired. Over the course of a season, Duran is likely better, but they're going to give up more runs while he's in.
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Post by notstarboard on Jul 9, 2022 20:18:32 GMT -5
defense is great but you cannot bat .200 with zero power and be an asset--i was so done with Bradley but they brought him back which was a huge mistake--Renfroe has 13 hr Renfroe is mediocre. 51st percentile xwOBA, 41st percentile OAA as a corner OF. JBJ has been poor enough with the bat that his defense isn't enough to justify playing every day right now, but he at least has value as a fourth OF and defensive replacement. The prospects are nice too, and you never know when a trademark hot streak will come.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 9, 2022 20:18:42 GMT -5
Refsnyder 108.8 mph 436 feet
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 9, 2022 20:18:47 GMT -5
All due respect to everyone's data / opinions, but on this team, i am not dying on the JBJ defense is needed over Duran hill.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 9, 2022 20:20:18 GMT -5
All due respect to everyone's data / opinions, but on this team, i am not dying on the JBJ defense is needed over Duran hill. Not even when in this game the Red Sox would be up 2-1?
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