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7/7-7/10 Red Sox vs. Yankees Series Thread
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 10, 2022 9:13:36 GMT -5
To date the Yankees preferred starting rotation has been able to start 81 of 85 games. An amazing streak of good fortune. And with the exception of Cole all of them are pitching better than even Yankee fans would have hoped for. Is there anyone here who sits around thinking, "Boy I sure wish we had James Taillon or Jordan Montgomery?" Sure, when the Sox start Connor Seabold
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 10, 2022 9:20:52 GMT -5
To date the Yankees preferred starting rotation has been able to start 81 of 85 games. An amazing streak of good fortune. And with the exception of Cole all of them are pitching better than even Yankee fans would have hoped for. Is there anyone here who sits around thinking, "Boy I sure wish we had James Taillon or Jordan Montgomery?" They’ve played 3 DH’s. I think 3 of those 4 are because Of that. Day of or right afterwards.Basically, all 5 haven’t missed a start.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 10, 2022 9:33:09 GMT -5
Al East clubs go 1-2 outside the division to drop their collective Win % from .606 to just .602.
If this holds up, it's is a 7 or 8 win handicap over the course of a full season.
Meanwhile, the AL Central is playing .442 ball outside the division. The Twins have a 4.5 G lead on the O's, but a very quick and dirty estimate of the handicap between the divisions so far is 5.5 wins.
That's right, so far the 6 best clubs are likely the Astros and the 5 AL East clubs.
The new playoff system helps but to me its an issue that the AL Central teams basically collude to spend less money because their division has a guaranteed playoff spot.
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Post by dirtdog on Jul 10, 2022 10:21:19 GMT -5
MFY looking to make a deal for Benni? He made a nice recovery because when he was here at the end looked like a bit of a death spiral. I assume it's as a rental because even though they can afford it he is not likely to get huge FA money.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 10, 2022 10:25:48 GMT -5
Rob Refsnyder now has the same WAR as fellow right handed OF Hunter Renfroe.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 10, 2022 10:58:51 GMT -5
Damn Kutter ok Striking out Judge, Rizzo, and Stanton to start ain’t too shabby funny how 30 mins ago he was called "Garbage" One man's trash...?
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 10, 2022 11:02:07 GMT -5
This Fox Sports/Red Sox sell-job on Chris Sale is nauseating. Pierzynski was his catcher for a bit in Chicago. Another lob back to the mound.
Of course, the Fox producers set it up...
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 10, 2022 11:07:02 GMT -5
Hmmm, JBJ would have prevented 2 of these runs now. Lotta RBIs in that glove...
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Post by manfred on Jul 10, 2022 11:07:26 GMT -5
funny how 30 mins ago he was called "Garbage" One man's trash...? I like Kutter better than Winck, even. I think both likely end up in the pen long term, but Crawford looks like he has a good arm and grit. That was a bigtime start. Threw well and gave some innings. As big as the win was overall, that was massive on his part. He should be on cloud nine today.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 10, 2022 11:13:46 GMT -5
For those of you who don't give a shit about defense, JBJ could have struck out twice tonight like Duran and then caught that double and prevented the run. Probably wouldn't have gotten grass stains either. Has anyone said they don't give a shit about defense? In the whole history of this site, has anyone ever said that? Duran will be a LF who will need to be replaced for late-inning defense. Nobody has specifically said that but plenty of people complained about the Renfroe/JBJ, Binelas, Hamilton trade, as well as wanting to pay Schwarber. The team made a pronounced (and necessary) move toward better defense this past offseason and given the role that bad defense has played in this series, I wouldn't mind seeing more such moves.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 10, 2022 11:35:22 GMT -5
I don’t know that Paxton will be ready soon. Whitlock will be in the pen. Sale is a huge question. There is no such thing as a sure thing. Is it really less risky to ship off prospects for another SP? All those guys I listed not even being available is a testament to that. Although if Chris Archer's available maybe it would be worth it. Hard pass. Chris Archer is the most overrated pitcher in the history of pitching. Just ask Neal Huntington...
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Post by manfred on Jul 10, 2022 11:45:24 GMT -5
Has anyone said they don't give a shit about defense? In the whole history of this site, has anyone ever said that? Duran will be a LF who will need to be replaced for late-inning defense. Nobody has specifically said that but plenty of people complained about the Renfroe/JBJ, Binelas, Hamilton trade, as well as wanting to pay Schwarber. The team made a pronounced (and necessary) move toward better defense this past offseason and given the role that bad defense has played in this series, I wouldn't mind seeing more such moves. Part of this on-going debate is predicated on the loss of Kiké who ought to address everyone’s desires a bit more than what they have. He’d provide great D and at least a bit more O than JBJ. I am not sure the Schwarber case is germane. I expect he’d be a bit of a butcher at first, but it is not like Franchy or even Dalbec are the JBJs in the analogy. You have two guys in the negatives for bWAR — who are likely combined a negative defensively. Schwarber’s offense would certainly make up the defensive difference. But not so much that I’m going to cry about it. I just don’t think people were wrong to want him back.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 10, 2022 11:48:14 GMT -5
Houck seems like one of these closers who you never completely trust, but will get the job done 90 percent of the time. Mariano was 89.1% lifetime, so I'd take it...
But I agree with the first half of your statement; I don't want him to close unless he starts getting lefties out more often.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 10, 2022 11:51:53 GMT -5
Vazquez like move - thrown out by Vazquez He saw it coming!
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Post by incandenza on Jul 10, 2022 12:22:19 GMT -5
Nobody has specifically said that but plenty of people complained about the Renfroe/JBJ, Binelas, Hamilton trade, as well as wanting to pay Schwarber. The team made a pronounced (and necessary) move toward better defense this past offseason and given the role that bad defense has played in this series, I wouldn't mind seeing more such moves. Part of this on-going debate is predicated on the loss of Kiké who ought to address everyone’s desires a bit more than what they have. He’d provide great D and at least a bit more O than JBJ. I am not sure the Schwarber case is germane. I expect he’d be a bit of a butcher at first, but it is not like Franchy or even Dalbec are the JBJs in the analogy. You have two guys in the negatives for bWAR — who are likely combined a negative defensively. Schwarber’s offense would certainly make up the defensive difference. But not so much that I’m going to cry about it. I just don’t think people were wrong to want him back. Out of curiosity, why do you always cite bWAR? Now that fangraphs uses OAA, which I think is better than DRS, I don't know what value bWAR has for position players. (WAR for pitchers isn't worth much in general, imo.) (Just being in the habit of looking at b-ref is a perfectly reasonable answer.)
As far as that goes, Dalbec is at -4 DRS but -1 OAA (though 0 OAA at 1B). Watching him play, I think the OAA number is a lot more plausible. (And UZR corroborates it, at +1.7.) Anyway, that's the main difference between his -0.6 bWAR and -0.1 fWAR.
Franchy, meanwhile, is -4 DRS and -1 OAA, and correspondingly -0.1 bWAR and +0.5 fWAR. There I'm sort of inclined to split the difference. (Kind of a lesson in the false objectivity of statistics in all this...)
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Post by benzinger on Jul 10, 2022 12:27:38 GMT -5
To date the Yankees preferred starting rotation has been able to start 81 of 85 games. An amazing streak of good fortune. And with the exception of Cole all of them are pitching better than even Yankee fans would have hoped for. Is there anyone here who sits around thinking, "Boy I sure wish we had James Taillon or Jordan Montgomery?" <slowly raises hand>
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Post by incandenza on Jul 10, 2022 12:45:33 GMT -5
Bobby Dalbec is doing something very strange, essentially unheard of in his career. He has been... consistent.
If you look at any set of dates ending now and starting between April 20th and June 20th, his wRC+ has been between 99 and 119. (E.g., his wRC+ since May 1st is 105. Since June 1st it's... also 105.) It gets choppy after that with the small sample size, but even so his wRC+ since June 20th is 108. He's been a very consistently slightly above average hitter.
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Post by patford on Jul 10, 2022 12:55:47 GMT -5
Bobby Dalbec is doing something very strange, essentially unheard of in his career. He has been... consistent.
If you look at any set of dates ending now and starting between April 20th and June 20th, his wRC+ has been between 99 and 119. (E.g., his wRC+ since May 1st is 105. Since June 1st it's... also 105.) It gets choppy after that with the small sample size, but even so his wRC+ since June 20th is 108. He's been a very consistently slightly above average hitter.
Last year a bit later than this I remember posting that I was nearly at the end of the rope with Dalbec but felt he was bound to get hot and the Sox needed to give him a bit more run.
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Post by patford on Jul 10, 2022 13:06:50 GMT -5
To date the Yankees preferred starting rotation has been able to start 81 of 85 games. An amazing streak of good fortune. And with the exception of Cole all of them are pitching better than even Yankee fans would have hoped for. Is there anyone here who sits around thinking, "Boy I sure wish we had James Taillon or Jordan Montgomery?" <slowly raises hand>At the moment. I mean right now everyone would love to have Martin Perez back.
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Post by nomar on Jul 10, 2022 13:09:05 GMT -5
Bobby Dalbec is doing something very strange, essentially unheard of in his career. He has been... consistent. If you look at any set of dates ending now and starting between April 20th and June 20th, his wRC+ has been between 99 and 119. (E.g., his wRC+ since May 1st is 105. Since June 1st it's... also 105.) It gets choppy after that with the small sample size, but even so his wRC+ since June 20th is 108. He's been a very consistently slightly above average hitter.
Last year a bit later than this I remember posting that I was nearly at the end of the rope with Dalbec but felt he was bound to get hot and the Sox needed to give him a bit more run. @redsoxstats pointed out that he basically isn’t pulling the ball last year. That will never work for him. He needs to be pulling the ball in the air. Hopefully he can find a fix here.
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Post by manfred on Jul 10, 2022 13:12:40 GMT -5
Part of this on-going debate is predicated on the loss of Kiké who ought to address everyone’s desires a bit more than what they have. He’d provide great D and at least a bit more O than JBJ. I am not sure the Schwarber case is germane. I expect he’d be a bit of a butcher at first, but it is not like Franchy or even Dalbec are the JBJs in the analogy. You have two guys in the negatives for bWAR — who are likely combined a negative defensively. Schwarber’s offense would certainly make up the defensive difference. But not so much that I’m going to cry about it. I just don’t think people were wrong to want him back. Out of curiosity, why do you always cite bWAR? Now that fangraphs uses OAA, which I think is better than DRS, I don't know what value bWAR has for position players. (WAR for pitchers isn't worth much in general, imo.) (Just being in the habit of looking at b-ref is a perfectly reasonable answer.)
As far as that goes, Dalbec is at -4 DRS but -1 OAA (though 0 OAA at 1B). Watching him play, I think the OAA number is a lot more plausible. (And UZR corroborates it, at +1.7.) Anyway, that's the main difference between his -0.6 bWAR and -0.1 fWAR.
Franchy, meanwhile, is -4 DRS and -1 OAA, and correspondingly -0.1 bWAR and +0.5 fWAR. There I'm sort of inclined to split the difference. (Kind of a lesson in the false objectivity of statistics in all this...)
In the habit of looking at b-ref, yes. My point was not meant to be explosive… merely that the JBJ scenario is different from the first base one because he is an elite glove and none of Schwarber, Franchy, or Dalbec are… so there, it is more of a straight comparison (against the offense vs. defense outfield argument).
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Post by reasonabledoubt on Jul 10, 2022 13:13:17 GMT -5
Back to 2nd place - #1 WC again. I'm sorry but I'm plenty OK about playing teams like this 19 times a season. Look how much fun this was tonight. Never get this sort of intensity playing the Pirates, Diamondbacks, or Rockies. Another reason why I like playing so many games against the MFYs, TOR, and TB, is that we learn things about players that would take a lot longer to learn otherwise. I'm not saying Seabold will never amount to anything - but look how he pitched against the best team in the league versus Crawford's approach. It was night and day. One was praying hit balls would find a glove, the other was determined the only glove he was going to need was going to be Plawecki's. I want to see Brasier, Strahm, Schreiber, Houck, and yes - even Diekman try to get difficult outs against THESE GUYS, not hitters from PIT, ARI, COL who we'll never see in a meaningful game in Sept-Oct. I get some fans get bored with playing so many games against the same foes. But when the competition is great - it forces your team to try to be equally as great.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 10, 2022 13:24:00 GMT -5
I'm not sure how it got lost on me that it was Verdugo that drove Downs in, which is poetic. Also love that Downs got his first hit against the Yankees on the anniversary of Derek Jeter's 3000th hit. Also, the Yankees were 48-0 when leading after 7 before last night.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 10, 2022 14:23:57 GMT -5
To date the Yankees preferred starting rotation has been able to start 81 of 85 games. An amazing streak of good fortune. And with the exception of Cole all of them are pitching better than even Yankee fans would have hoped for. Is there anyone here who sits around thinking, "Boy I sure wish we had James Taillon or Jordan Montgomery?" This is why I remain cautiously optimistic that in a seven-game series in which we have a healthy Eovaldi and Whitlock (a healthy and effective Sale would be a bonus, not counting on that) we'd have a decent shot against the MFY. The team they lead by 15 games is not that the team that we might be able to put on the field in October.
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Jul 10, 2022 14:31:11 GMT -5
The great thing about brining Downs up ( other than it seems to have jump started him), is that this is a guy who's struggled and lost the shine of "prospect status," but by bringing him up we've seen some of the tools that had made him so highly touted. This is a guy who has been young, for just about every level he's played. People were so down on him and perhaps for good reason, but he's a true "prospect" a toolsy unfinished product. He's obviously has a ton of talent and watching him run after that Verdugo hit was a thing of beauty. We wouldn't have seen some of these things if he was toiling as a 200 hitter in Worcester. He's a story and now really can hold his head up, maybe become a fan favorite and if he gets sent back down spread some of that around. This call up should serve as a reward for how good he's been in AAA since his last chance in the show. You'd like to think the coaches saw something in him before last time up, that said this kid needs to understand how close he is, he needs a taste to get his head right.
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