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7/7-7/10 Red Sox vs. Yankees Series Thread
TearsIn04
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 10, 2022 16:17:57 GMT -5
I put the Dugo/Downs part of it together but wasn't aware of it being the anniversary of that other Jeter's 3,000th hit. It's a nice coincidence, kind of like winning game 7 of the 2004 ALCS on Mickey Mantle's birthday. "Not on this day," Francesa said on the FAN on the afternoon of Oct. 20, 2004. Hours later, Damon, Lowe and Papi said, "Yes, on this day." Technically the Sox didn't win Game 7 of ALCS 2004 on Mantle's birthday. They actually finished off the Yankees at 12:01am on Oct 21, 2004....which happened to be Whitey Ford's birthday. So hopefully Francesa took solace in that, that the Yankees didn't get eliminated on Mantle's birthday...they waited until Ford's birthday which he was alive at the time to celebrate. I guess Francesa has Timlin and Francona to thank for this. It was still Oct 20th when Timlin tried to finish off the Yankees but he walked Lofton on four pitches and then Francona felt compelled to pull Timlin for Embree with the aim of forcing Jon Olerud out of the game which is what happened when Sierra PH for him. By time the commercials ended it was midnight at the Bronx and Mantle's birthday had passed. True! The WS video shows the scoreboard clock at the Toilet flashing midnight just as we are about to finish the MFY off.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 10, 2022 16:35:20 GMT -5
Back to 2nd place - #1 WC again. I'm sorry but I'm plenty OK about playing teams like this 19 times a season. Look how much fun this was tonight. Never get this sort of intensity playing the Pirates, Diamondbacks, or Rockies. Another reason why I like playing so many games against the MFYs, TOR, and TB, is that we learn things about players that would take a lot longer to learn otherwise. I'm not saying Seabold will never amount to anything - but look how he pitched against the best team in the league versus Crawford's approach. It was night and day. One was praying hit balls would find a glove, the other was determined the only glove he was going to need was going to be Plawecki's. I want to see Brasier, Strahm, Schreiber, Houck, and yes - even Diekman try to get difficult outs against THESE GUYS, not hitters from PIT, ARI, COL who we'll never see in a meaningful game in Sept-Oct. I get some fans get bored with playing so many games against the same foes. But when the competition is great - it forces your team to try to be equally as great. This is probably pretty idiosyncratic of me, but I don't like playing the Yankees, Rays, and Blue Jays so much partly because they all have ugly stadiums. I enjoy watching baseball, even on tv, like 30% less when it's on artificial turf in ugly or sterile buildings.
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Post by manfred on Jul 10, 2022 16:39:20 GMT -5
Maybe you don’t? I mean, maybe some things can’t be quantified? Maybe there is room uncertainty? So get rid of WAR? That's exactly what it's supposed to measure. The value of all players relative to each other. I don’t think you get rid of it, but you certainly take it with a grain of salt. Even taking it cross position: if a catcher is a good hitting *catcher* and a first baseman is a good hitting *first baseman*, then it isn’t exactly comparing them. It is more this catcher is to catchers as this 1st basemen is to first basemen. That is, if each position has its own replacement level, they are still not exactly being compared directly.
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Post by dirtdog on Jul 10, 2022 16:40:26 GMT -5
Another reason why I like playing so many games against the MFYs, TOR, and TB, is that we learn things about players that would take a lot longer to learn otherwise. I'm not saying Seabold will never amount to anything - but look how he pitched against the best team in the league versus Crawford's approach. It was night and day. One was praying hit balls would find a glove, the other was determined the only glove he was going to need was going to be Plawecki's. I want to see Brasier, Strahm, Schreiber, Houck, and yes - even Diekman try to get difficult outs against THESE GUYS, not hitters from PIT, ARI, COL who we'll never see in a meaningful game in Sept-Oct. I get some fans get bored with playing so many games against the same foes. But when the competition is great - it forces your team to try to be equally as great. This is probably pretty idiosyncratic of me, Please no more words I have to look up the meaning of. Had heard a few times in my 60 plus years (not describing me) but never bothered to look it up until now.
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Post by benzinger on Jul 10, 2022 16:57:29 GMT -5
<slowly raises hand>At the moment. I mean right now everyone would love to have Martin Perez back. Hard to explain Martin Perez this season. He was TOTALLY washed-up with the Sox and now he’s having the best season of his career. He’s probably even an all-star. Go figure.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 10, 2022 16:58:37 GMT -5
Another reason why I like playing so many games against the MFYs, TOR, and TB, is that we learn things about players that would take a lot longer to learn otherwise. I'm not saying Seabold will never amount to anything - but look how he pitched against the best team in the league versus Crawford's approach. It was night and day. One was praying hit balls would find a glove, the other was determined the only glove he was going to need was going to be Plawecki's. I want to see Brasier, Strahm, Schreiber, Houck, and yes - even Diekman try to get difficult outs against THESE GUYS, not hitters from PIT, ARI, COL who we'll never see in a meaningful game in Sept-Oct. I get some fans get bored with playing so many games against the same foes. But when the competition is great - it forces your team to try to be equally as great. This is probably pretty idiosyncratic of me, but I don't like playing the Yankees, Rays, and Blue Jays so much partly because they all have ugly stadiums. I enjoy watching baseball, even on tv, like 30% less when it's on artificial turf in ugly or sterile buildings. I hate Yankee Stadium. It is the single greatest cry for help demanding uniform outfield dimensions in the Major League. The only bit of honesty in the whole place is the concrete "moat" that keeps the great unwashed 3-digit ticket holders from the 1%ers with the $1,500 and up seats. The Trop is an embarrassment that the NFL, NBA and NHL would've allowed owners to abandon 20 years ago. The absurd and dangerous painted warning track (which is NOT why warning tracks are a different color, btw, Tampa) is reason enough to immediately end the whole place in a controlled detonation. Rodgers Field, or whatever the hell they call it, is an exquisite corpse that blends unimaginative design with technology. It has more in common with the fugly, astroturf mausoleums of the 1970s like Three Rivers or Cincinnati's River Front stadium than anything thing baseball should be played in.
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Post by benzinger on Jul 10, 2022 17:08:19 GMT -5
Downs is young and I gather has real tools, so giving up on him was extreme. But taking last night as some breakthrough is silly, too. He scored pinch-running. Then he basically grounded out softly, and the 2b botched it. It was good he made contact, and it was good he went to the right side. But… you know. Pump the breaks on the Jetersance. This is all true, of course, but that is also baseball in a nutshell. If Donaldson doesn’t flub the grounder in the 10th OR if Booney sticks with Holmes in the 10th, the Sox most likely lose. But, yes, if the 2B is shaded one more step to the right, Downs is a groundout victim last night. Game of inches.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 10, 2022 17:08:50 GMT -5
This is probably pretty idiosyncratic of me, but I don't like playing the Yankees, Rays, and Blue Jays so much partly because they all have ugly stadiums. I enjoy watching baseball, even on tv, like 30% less when it's on artificial turf in ugly or sterile buildings. I hate Yankee Stadium. It is the single greatest cry for help demanding uniform outfield dimensions in the Major League. The only bit of honesty in the whole place is the concrete "moat" that keeps the great unwashed 3-digit ticket holders from the 1%ers with the $1,500 and up seats. The Trop is an embarrassment that the NFL, NBA and NHL would've allowed owners to abandon 20 years ago. The absurd and dangerous painted warning track (which is NOT why warning tracks are a different color, btw, Tampa) is reason enough to immediately end the whole place in a controlled detonation. Rodgers Field, or whatever the hell they call it, is an exquisite corpse that blends unimaginative design with technology. It has more in common with the fugly, astroturf mausoleums of the 1970s like Three Rivers or Cincinnati's River Front stadium than anything thing baseball should be played in. Damn, you just went Jebidiah Atkinson on these monstrosities. Perfectly said!
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Post by benzinger on Jul 10, 2022 17:13:20 GMT -5
Maybe watch out for the Orioles! Yeah they just swept the sad sack Angels. Trout and Ohtani going to waste. The Rendon contract might be one of the worst ever. Ugggh! The Angels are famous for handing out terrible FA contracts, in general. Rendon is up there, but Josh Hamilton, Pujols, Justin Upton and Gary Matthews Jr. are all in the running. I’d like to see an analysis of these deals actually. Matthews was short money compared to the others, but was almost completely useless for them.
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Post by benzinger on Jul 10, 2022 17:18:24 GMT -5
I put the Dugo/Downs part of it together but wasn't aware of it being the anniversary of that other Jeter's 3,000th hit. It's a nice coincidence, kind of like winning game 7 of the 2004 ALCS on Mickey Mantle's birthday. "Not on this day," Francesa said on the FAN on the afternoon of Oct. 20, 2004. Hours later, Damon, Lowe and Papi said, "Yes, on this day." Technically the Sox didn't win Game 7 of ALCS 2004 on Mantle's birthday. They actually finished off the Yankees at 12:01am on Oct 21, 2004....which happened to be Whitey Ford's birthday. So hopefully Francesa took solace in that, that the Yankees didn't get eliminated on Mantle's birthday...they waited until Ford's birthday which he was alive at the time to celebrate. I guess Francesa has Timlin and Francona to thank for this. It was still Oct 20th when Timlin tried to finish off the Yankees but he walked Lofton on four pitches and then Francona felt compelled to pull Timlin for Embree with the aim of forcing Jon Olerud out of the game which is what happened when Sierra PH for him. By time the commercials ended it was midnight at the Bronx and Mantle's birthday had passed. Tim Spooneybarger’s birthday, too!
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Post by Guidas on Jul 10, 2022 17:31:45 GMT -5
I get that. But the stat is so flawed, and there are so many variables, I think it’s just a leaky construct. Anyway, if a DH is a position now that’s for all teams and doesn’t play defense, then it should be evaluated on offense-only. That’s the position and the value. The rest seems moot at this point. So how do you compare a DH to a SS then? Does Matt Carpenter deserve Carlos Correa money? You compare DHs to DHs and decide how much value a full-time power DH adds to your team vs. a mild power high OBP vs something in between. Steaks can’t be compared to lobster, but you may need both to make your ideal menu for your restaurant. All depends on what kind of quality you want and what you value.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 10, 2022 17:33:07 GMT -5
I hate Yankee Stadium. It is the single greatest cry for help demanding uniform outfield dimensions in the Major League. The only bit of honesty in the whole place is the concrete "moat" that keeps the great unwashed 3-digit ticket holders from the 1%ers with the $1,500 and up seats. The Trop is an embarrassment that the NFL, NBA and NHL would've allowed owners to abandon 20 years ago. The absurd and dangerous painted warning track (which is NOT why warning tracks are a different color, btw, Tampa) is reason enough to immediately end the whole place in a controlled detonation. Rodgers Field, or whatever the hell they call it, is an exquisite corpse that blends unimaginative design with technology. It has more in common with the fugly, astroturf mausoleums of the 1970s like Three Rivers or Cincinnati's River Front stadium than anything thing baseball should be played in. Damn, you just went Jebidiah Atkinson on these monstrosities. Perfectly said! Now THERE’s a great TV reference!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 10, 2022 17:49:50 GMT -5
Technically the Sox didn't win Game 7 of ALCS 2004 on Mantle's birthday. They actually finished off the Yankees at 12:01am on Oct 21, 2004....which happened to be Whitey Ford's birthday. So hopefully Francesa took solace in that, that the Yankees didn't get eliminated on Mantle's birthday...they waited until Ford's birthday which he was alive at the time to celebrate. I guess Francesa has Timlin and Francona to thank for this. It was still Oct 20th when Timlin tried to finish off the Yankees but he walked Lofton on four pitches and then Francona felt compelled to pull Timlin for Embree with the aim of forcing Jon Olerud out of the game which is what happened when Sierra PH for him. By time the commercials ended it was midnight at the Bronx and Mantle's birthday had passed. Tim Spooneybarger’s birthday, too! That's a national holiday, isn't it
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Post by notstarboard on Jul 10, 2022 18:11:09 GMT -5
There is no such thing as a sure thing. Is it really less risky to ship off prospects for another SP? All those guys I listed not even being available is a testament to that. Although if Chris Archer's available maybe it would be worth it. Hard pass. Chris Archer is the most overrated pitcher in the history of pitching. Just ask Neal Huntington... I was nodding to that trade as another example of trading prospects for an established SP not necessarily being a good idea lol
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Post by taiwansox on Jul 10, 2022 18:16:59 GMT -5
Ball 2 to Stanton already smh
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Post by taiwansox on Jul 10, 2022 18:17:44 GMT -5
Ball 2 to Stanton already smh Changed the AB…
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 10, 2022 18:19:06 GMT -5
These starters sure do know how to puke all over themselves.
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Post by notstarboard on Jul 10, 2022 18:19:15 GMT -5
Missed strike call immediately pushes Pivetta to throw a fastball since it's now a 2-0 count. Next pitch is a two run homer. Classic meat umpires. Get 'em outta here.
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Post by taiwansox on Jul 10, 2022 18:21:06 GMT -5
Missed strike call immediately pushes Pivetta to throw a fastball since it's now a 2-0 count. Next pitch is a two run homer. Classic meat umpires. Get 'em outta here. Again Ball 3 to Donaldson should have been strike 3
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Post by station13 on Jul 10, 2022 18:23:55 GMT -5
why isn't Refsnyder playing?
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Post by notstarboard on Jul 10, 2022 18:36:51 GMT -5
JFC Pivetta
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Post by briam on Jul 10, 2022 18:41:28 GMT -5
Momentum is only as good as your next starter.
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TearsIn04
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Everybody knows Nelson de la Rosa, but who is Karim Garcia?
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 10, 2022 18:42:08 GMT -5
Damn, it'll be tough to get back in this game without the two-run homer Raffy would have given us.
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Post by redsox43 on Jul 10, 2022 18:43:34 GMT -5
I just tuned in and it's 4-0. JFC.
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Post by station13 on Jul 10, 2022 18:44:03 GMT -5
keep walking the JBJ version on the MFY is getting old.
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