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2022 Draft Signing Period
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Post by stevedillard on Jul 23, 2022 7:23:29 GMT -5
My apologies, I thought they were talking about the gap allowing an undrafted HS senior like Zayas to get more. But you read more closely.
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Post by Mike Andrews on Jul 23, 2022 8:15:27 GMT -5
Updated predictions
Top Ten Rounds (entire amount counts towards bonus cap) Round, Overall Pick, Player, Projected Bonus 1. Mikey Romero $2,500,000 2. Cutter Coffey $1,800,000 2. Roman Anthony $2,500,000 (reported) 3. Dalton Rogers $300,000 4. Chase Meidroth $200,000 5. Noah Dean $343,800 6. Alex Hoppe $32,250 (reported) 7. Caleb Bolden $7,500 (reported) 8. Jonathan Brand $7,500 (reported) 9. Brooks Brannon $750,000 10. Isaac Coffey $10,000
After 10th round, above $125K (first $125,000 does not count towards bonus cap) None
After 10th round, possible $125,000 or less signs (count $0 towards cap) 11. Marques Johnson 12. Hayden Mullins 15. Nathan Landry 16. Garrett Ramsey 20. Connor Butler
Draft & Follow candidate not subject to 8/1 signing deadline, may sign for up to $225k and not count against the cap 18. Austin Ehlicher
Total spent towards cap using these projections: $8,451,050 Red Sox Cap: $8,082,600 Red Sox Cap +5%: (no draft pick penalty): $8,486,730
Projected not to sign 13. Gavin Kilen 14. Travis Sanders 17. Deundre Jones 19. Jaret Godman
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Post by cdj on Jul 23, 2022 9:02:53 GMT -5
Updated predictions Top Ten Rounds (entire amount counts towards bonus cap) Round, Overall Pick, Player, Projected Bonus1. Mikey Romero $2,500,000 2. Cutter Coffey $1,800,000 2. Roman Anthony $2,500,000 (reported) 3. Dalton Rogers $300,000 4. Chase Meidroth $200,000 5. Noah Dean $343,800 6. Alex Hoppe $32,250 (reported) 7. Caleb Bolden $7,500 (reported) 8. Jonathan Brand $7,500 (reported) 9. Brooks Brannon $750,000 10. Isaac Coffey $10,000 After 10th round, above $125K (first $125,000 does not count towards bonus cap)None After 10th round, possible $125,000 or less signs (count $0 towards cap)11. Marques Johnson 12. Hayden Mullins 15. Nathan Landry 16. Garrett Ramsey 20. Connor Butler Draft & Follow candidate not subject to 8/1 signing deadline, may sign for up to $225k and not count against the cap18. Austin Ehlicher Total spent towards cap using these projections: $8,451,050 Red Sox Cap: $8,082,600 Red Sox Cap +5%: (no draft pick penalty): $8,486,730 Projected not to sign13. Gavin Kilen 14. Travis Sanders 17. Deundre Jones 19. Jaret Godman I broke my brain trying to do math late last night so I said screw it, Mike will have one up soon. Lol Thanks!
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 23, 2022 9:29:34 GMT -5
So far with the three reported under slot signings, the Sox have saved $601,500. Anthony’s reported $2,500,000 bonus is $1,679,600 over slot. Add in the $404,130 +5% and the Sox have created $1,005,630 to work with. Still need to create roughly another $600k for Anthony plus the extra money for Brannon.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 23, 2022 11:38:54 GMT -5
He is def signing. There coach is leaving too. I have a feeling he doesn’t want to go back.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 23, 2022 12:08:09 GMT -5
So far with the three reported under slot signings, the Sox have saved $601,500. Anthony’s reported $2,500,000 bonus is $1,679,600 over slot. Add in the $404,130 +5% and the Sox have created $1,005,630 to work with. Still need to create roughly another $600k for Anthony plus the extra money for Brannon. Between the two, they need about another million.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 23, 2022 12:11:55 GMT -5
So there probably save some money with Romero I assume.
The draft signing period is like one of the best topics. I can check this like ten times a day.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 23, 2022 12:51:30 GMT -5
I'm finding this info about offering college tuition and living expenses: Effective May 1, 2017 Major League Baseball established the Continuing Education Program (the "CEP") to help baseball players prepare for life after Baseball, whether this be in form of pursuing a scholastic degree of their choice or pursuing vocational training for a trade of their choice. ... The CEP provides benefits to those players who had negotiated for participation in the CEP as part of their first professional Minor League Uniform Player Contract. To be eligible for benefits, a participant must be enrolled and attend classes at a school which meets the standards of a regional, national, or international accrediting agency; however, attendance at a for-profit institution which has a graduation rate of less than 50% at the time the participant first enrolls will not be covered under this program. .. The CEP provides payments to participants in two categories of expenses: Tuition Allowance and Living Allowance. [Player must] commence participation in the CEP within two years after the date the participant ceases to be reserved by a Major League, Minor League, foreign professional, or Independent League club, voluntarily retires or is reserved on an Inactive List, whichever comes first, unless the participant again becomes reserved to a Major League, Minor League, foreign professional, or Independent League club (not on an Inactive List) within such two-year period; www.mlb.com/official-information/scholarship/player-guide-2017
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Post by jimoh on Jul 23, 2022 12:57:03 GMT -5
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Post by lennsakata on Jul 23, 2022 14:35:43 GMT -5
I always thought that someone enterprising should start a small college somewhere on the water in Florida that is smack dab in the middle of a bunch of teams spring training sites. Have a single semester program that caters to minor league players that runs from October to Mid January and just have nicer dorm rooms and ridiculous athletic training facilities that cater to baseball training. You Could probably drain the college benefits of players pretty quickly if it was done right as you could charge a premium. . Players can accomplish their offseason training and get 3-4 classes in every offseason without worrying about season overlap. I’d do it but it sounds complicated so feel free to steal the concept. Major League Baseball should probably just do it and recapture those dollars.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jul 23, 2022 15:15:19 GMT -5
I always thought that someone enterprising should start a small college somewhere on the water in Florida that is smack dab in the middle of a bunch of teams spring training sites. Have a single semester program that caters to minor league players that runs from October to Mid January and just have nicer dorm rooms and ridiculous athletic training facilities that cater to baseball training. You Could probably drain the college benefits of players pretty quickly if it was done right as you could charge a premium. . Players can accomplish their offseason training and get 3-4 classes in every offseason without worrying about season overlap. I’d do it but it sounds complicated so feel free to steal the concept. Major League Baseball should probably just do it and recapture those dollars. Aren't you describing IMG Academy?
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 23, 2022 16:22:05 GMT -5
He is def signing. There coach is leaving too. I have a feeling he doesn’t want to go back. Was there any question that he would sign (other than the physical)? He's a UDFA, right?
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Post by pasadenasox on Jul 23, 2022 16:40:34 GMT -5
He is def signing. There coach is leaving too. I have a feeling he doesn’t want to go back. Was there any question that he would sign (other than the physical)? He's a UDFA, right? Last pick, 20th rounder Connor Butler.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Jul 23, 2022 20:34:56 GMT -5
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 23, 2022 20:41:09 GMT -5
Kinda surprising that Fabian did so much worse when he returned and had a pretty good year
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Post by cdj on Jul 23, 2022 21:04:12 GMT -5
Kinda surprising that Fabian did so much worse when he returned and had a pretty good year Didn’t hit vs. the SEC and the same hit tool questions persist
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 23, 2022 21:24:16 GMT -5
And having a dozen or so college OF with a late first round-ish ranking certainly didn't help him.
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 24, 2022 5:49:03 GMT -5
Kinda surprising that Fabian did so much worse when he returned and had a pretty good year Didn’t hit vs. the SEC and the same hit tool questions persist Sox dodged a bullet
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 24, 2022 6:20:39 GMT -5
Didn’t hit vs. the SEC and the same hit tool questions persist Sox dodged a bullet They also helped the Orioles save a couple of million dollars. The O's got their man after all, and thanks to the Sox intervening the Orioles only had to pay 1 million rather than 3 million.
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Post by arquimedezbozo on Jul 24, 2022 6:53:35 GMT -5
They also helped the Orioles save a couple of million dollars. The O's got their man after all, and thanks to the Sox intervening the Orioles only had to pay 1 million rather than 3 million. If you look at it from a different lens, it may or may not have hurt the Orioles. They didn’t actually save any $$, they just used it differently than they had planned. They took Connor Norby with the 40th pick and then used the savings on other over slot picks (most of it for their 3rd and 8th round selections). So, yes, they got Fabian *and* extra draft capital, which obviously helps them. Buuuut…if they had known up front that they wouldn’t get Fabian, would they have passed on the 3 HS shortstops in the first round and still gone under slot with Colton Cowser (who has an OPS of 1.088 in 18 games in AA, FWIW)? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 24, 2022 7:19:47 GMT -5
They also helped the Orioles save a couple of million dollars. The O's got their man after all, and thanks to the Sox intervening the Orioles only had to pay 1 million rather than 3 million. If you look at it from a different lens, it may or may not have hurt the Orioles. They didn’t actually save any $$, they just used it differently than they had planned. They took Connor Norby with the 40th pick and then used the savings on other over slot picks (most of it for their 3rd and 8th round selections). So, yes, they got Fabian *and* extra draft capital, which obviously helps them. Buuuut…if they had known up front that they wouldn’t get Fabian, would they have passed on the 3 HS shortstops in the first round and still gone under slot with Colton Cowser (who has an OPS of 1.088 in 18 games in AA, FWIW)? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ They ultimately got a SS in this year's draft who I'd say was kind of highly ranked, Matt Holliday's kid.
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Post by arquimedezbozo on Jul 24, 2022 7:23:22 GMT -5
If you look at it from a different lens, it may or may not have hurt the Orioles. They didn’t actually save any $$, they just used it differently than they had planned. They took Connor Norby with the 40th pick and then used the savings on other over slot picks (most of it for their 3rd and 8th round selections). So, yes, they got Fabian *and* extra draft capital, which obviously helps them. Buuuut…if they had known up front that they wouldn’t get Fabian, would they have passed on the 3 HS shortstops in the first round and still gone under slot with Colton Cowser (who has an OPS of 1.088 in 18 games in AA, FWIW)? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ They ultimately got a SS in this year's draft who I'd say was kind of highly ranked, Matt Holliday's kid. And we know that no team would ever take a SS in the first round two years in a row.
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Post by borisman on Jul 24, 2022 8:13:44 GMT -5
Didn’t hit vs. the SEC and the same hit tool questions persist Sox dodged a bullet So now we'll forever have Cutter Coffey, who'll be most scrutinized pick since Trey Ball (Meadows) or CJ Chatham (ahem Bryan Reynolds or Pete Alonso), in his place. BTW, I didn't really care about Fabian not signing nor did I root against him getting drafted higher to make up for the $2m he rejected from the Sox. I'm still not ok with the Coffey pick though but I am certainly rooting for him for sure. And I hope he's on his way to be similarly good to the Blaze Jordan pick.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 24, 2022 8:18:16 GMT -5
So now we'll forever have Cutter Coffey, who'll be most scrutinized pick since Trey Ball (Meadows) or CJ Chatham (ahem Bryan Reynolds or Pete Alonso), in his place. BTW, I didn't really care about Fabian not signing nor did I root against him getting drafted higher to make up for the $2m he rejected from the Sox. I'm still not ok with the Coffey pick though but I am certainly rooting for him for sure. And I hope he's on his way to be similarly good to the Blaze Jordan pick. There is no logical way to compare Fabian to Coffey, considering Fabian was commanding quite a bit more than slot and Coffey will likely get under slot.
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Post by cdj on Jul 24, 2022 8:24:49 GMT -5
They also helped the Orioles save a couple of million dollars. The O's got their man after all, and thanks to the Sox intervening the Orioles only had to pay 1 million rather than 3 million. True, but he also did pretty much nothing to improve a tool that will completely prevent him from reaching the bigs if it doesn’t improve. So naturally another year without any progress in this area against college kids is going to hurt his value. To put it simply, they got him for less because he’s not as a good of a prospect as he was last season
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