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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 22, 2022 19:50:07 GMT -5
I mean, he left this roster with bloated bad contracts and no farm system. He did a great job identify the paper strong farm system, but didn't really replenish it outside of drafting Duran (appears to be a bust) and Casas. That Chris Sale contract is an absolute albatross, but people thought he over paid for Eovaldi and that mostly worked out. David Price (key in the WS to be fair) is the reason why Mookie was traded for less. After this year, his remaining 16 million of his 32 per will be off the books. The team should have ripped the bandaid off in 2020, but no one wants to stomach going into a season with a straight rebuild and wants to buy because of the slight chance of doing something in October when they're clearly a broken team. No farm system is bogus. Their current top-10 has 4 DD guys, with Dalbec and Duran graduated by now. It is fair to say that Bello and Mata are by dar the most exciting arms in the system, Casas one of two most likely future stars, and Rafaela also exciting. I never liked Dalbec (although I bought in when he was 1st called up and lightning the world on fire). Duran is losing value every single day he plays. Those aren't really wins for DD even if they were once highly regarded. Bello might be legit, but clearly not ready. Mata is a nice backend guy, unless I'm missing something with his development this year. Casas to me feels like he'll be Rizzo in his prime or Joey Votto. Great pick, but Bloom's already catching him with Mayer, Yorke, and Jordan. If Romero's claims he's a better pure hitter than Mayer and shows pop with his bat (big if) then the Red Sox system will be looking real nice, but only because of the drafting. Nothing really through trades has pushed this organization over the top outside of adding nice young depth like Wink and Seabold. Jeter Downs was a huge whiff.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 22, 2022 19:50:20 GMT -5
Well the good news is that Toronto is wasting a Gausman start here.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 22, 2022 19:53:00 GMT -5
Well the good news is that Toronto is wasting a Gausman start here. Maybe it's a new strategy. Give up 20 runs the first game of each series and see if that exhausts their bats the next two games?
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Post by foreverred9 on Jul 22, 2022 19:53:48 GMT -5
Well the good news is that Toronto is wasting a Gausman start here. Maybe it's a new strategy. Give up 20 runs the first game of each series and see if that exhausts their bats the next two games? If this gets us to win a series against the AL East, I’ll take it.
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Jul 22, 2022 19:54:10 GMT -5
Everybody talking about the outfield alignment but it’s disappointing that Verdugo can’t (or they won’t) play right or center. Takes away a lot of his value. I don’t think you extend him if he’s a left field only guy
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 22, 2022 19:54:12 GMT -5
At no point has it ever made sense to play Duran in CF this season in the big leagues. He is so far below the standard of what you can put out there in a major league game, and they have totally reasonable alternatives. It's been years now, there is no hope. Completely inexplicable. Right now they should be trying to figure out if he's a LF, a 1B or a DH.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 22, 2022 19:56:19 GMT -5
41-3. Brutal.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 22, 2022 19:58:20 GMT -5
Everybody talking about the outfield alignment but it’s disappointing that Verdugo can’t (or they won’t) play right or center. Takes away a lot of his value. I don’t think you extend him if he’s a left field only guy I'd extend him now if you can get him dirt cheap. I like his bat, but he's having a disappointing year for sure.
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Post by rico6 on Jul 22, 2022 19:58:36 GMT -5
At no point has it ever made sense to play Duran in CF this season in the big leagues. He is so far below the standard of what you can put out there in a major league game, and they have totally reasonable alternatives. It's been years now, there is no hope. Completely inexplicable. Right now they should be trying to figure out if he's a LF, a 1B or a DH. He's a LF. The Sox need to decide if Verdugo is LF only and if so, they need to move either him or Duran.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 22, 2022 20:00:11 GMT -5
Hopefully he is a LF, but it's not clear if he's good enough.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 22, 2022 20:00:11 GMT -5
At no point has it ever made sense to play Duran in CF this season in the big leagues. He is so far below the standard of what you can put out there in a major league game, and they have totally reasonable alternatives. It's been years now, there is no hope. Completely inexplicable. Right now they should be trying to figure out if he's a LF, a 1B or a DH. I like it now that they're probably selling. Just give him every opportunity to fail on the big club. This season is over. I would just play Jeter Downs, maybe call up Casas, let Bello start. Just give guys chances now.
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Post by manfred on Jul 22, 2022 20:00:23 GMT -5
Ok, this feels like a game that ends a season. Blue Jays’ season!! Wait until the Sox come back and win 15-14!
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Jul 22, 2022 20:00:46 GMT -5
Don’t let the Sox get hot!
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Post by dirtdog on Jul 22, 2022 20:01:10 GMT -5
Here's what I'll say in defense of Dombrowski: it's overstated how much *he* tanked the farm system. They actually added some nice prospects during the DD years. By contrast, famous "prospect-hoarder" Ben Cherington actually did a terrible job of adding prospects to the system, and is the main culprit in which the farm system sucked ca. 2020. That Ball pick still infuriates me. I wish he was here to mop up tonight.
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Post by rico6 on Jul 22, 2022 20:01:37 GMT -5
11 to go. Gausman is at 81 pitches in the 4th. At least make them use up some relievers.
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Post by manfred on Jul 22, 2022 20:02:45 GMT -5
Prediction: JBJ is offensive hero AND winning pitcher.
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Post by manfred on Jul 22, 2022 20:05:07 GMT -5
Other prediction: it doesn’t get better for Downs this year than his homer off Cole.
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 22, 2022 20:08:53 GMT -5
Bleacher Report just sent me a highlight of the Inside-the-Park Grand Slam. Like an idiot, I watched it....why is Duran still in the game? He lost it in the lights, that fine, but he literally made ZERO effort to retrieve it afterwards. Basically watched Verdugo come over from left.... Cora should have taken him out for lack of effort
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Post by benzinger on Jul 22, 2022 20:14:06 GMT -5
Here's what I'll say in defense of Dombrowski: it's overstated how much *he* tanked the farm system. They actually added some nice prospects during the DD years. By contrast, famous "prospect-hoarder" Ben Cherington actually did a terrible job of adding prospects to the system, and is the main culprit in which the farm system sucked ca. 2020. That Ball pick still infuriates me. That was a weird draft. Not much big talent in the first round beyond Kris Bryant and Tim Anderson. Hunter Renfroe and Christian Arroyo were also 1st round picks that year. Cashman hit a home run getting Judge with the 32nd pick, though. That pick worked out.
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Post by rico6 on Jul 22, 2022 20:14:24 GMT -5
Put a tent over these guys. It's a circus.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 22, 2022 20:14:28 GMT -5
WHAT IS GOING ON
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Post by manfred on Jul 22, 2022 20:14:41 GMT -5
This is something.
Might fire Cora midgame.
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Post by notstarboard on Jul 22, 2022 20:14:43 GMT -5
Lmfao I'm turning this trainwreck off. 16 runs, and at least half could have been avoided by just playing average defense.
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Post by notstarboard on Jul 22, 2022 20:14:59 GMT -5
This is something. Might fire Cora midgame. Please
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 22, 2022 20:16:30 GMT -5
This team is completely checked out....clearly DD's fault
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