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Post by benzinger on Jul 22, 2022 20:16:44 GMT -5
Bleacher Report just sent me a highlight of the Inside-the-Park Grand Slam. Like an idiot, I watched it....why is Duran still in the game? He lost it in the lights, that fine, but he literally made ZERO effort to retrieve it afterwards. Basically watched Verdugo come over from left.... Cora should have taken him out for lack of effort I watched it 3x waiting for him to go and try and get the ball. He never did.
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Post by manfred on Jul 22, 2022 20:16:47 GMT -5
X and Raffy might be *asking* for trades after today.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 22, 2022 20:18:10 GMT -5
Late on this but I might be less convinced that Duran is a major league player than that Dalbec is.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 22, 2022 20:18:41 GMT -5
That Ball pick still infuriates me. That was a weird draft. Not much big talent in the first round beyond Kris Bryant and Tim Anderson. Hunter Renfroe and Christian Arroyo were also 1st round picks that year. Cashman hit a home run getting Judge with the 32nd pick, though. That pick worked out. If memory serves me right, most people wanted Austin Meadows who was available. Which, I guess isn't anything special, but better than a kid who couldn't get out of AA.
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Post by manfred on Jul 22, 2022 20:20:16 GMT -5
Ort is one of those guys who looks pretty good in warm ups.
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Post by benzinger on Jul 22, 2022 20:20:44 GMT -5
The Sox lost 14-1 on Saturday, 13-2 on Sunday and are down 19-3 tonight. I wonder if they’ve EVER had a 3 game stretch this bad??
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 22, 2022 20:21:31 GMT -5
Can you imagine if these guys were all extended and tied up for years? Me either.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 22, 2022 20:22:58 GMT -5
Here's what I'll say in defense of Dombrowski: it's overstated how much *he* tanked the farm system. They actually added some nice prospects during the DD years. By contrast, famous "prospect-hoarder" Ben Cherington actually did a terrible job of adding prospects to the system, and is the main culprit in which the farm system sucked ca. 2020. Endorse. In fact, I’ve been saying this about DD in one form or another for a few years. I’m pretty sure he wasn’t fired because he “gutted” the farm. He was fired because he gave Sale and Eovaldi huge contracts when 1) Sale hadn’t even proved he would be able to pitch after the WS; 2) Eovaldi’s contract while market value was questioned, too, by ownership as unwise given his history - though it has since mostly proved out. 3) There were other pitchers on the market ownership may have liked more. 4) It was intimated that Dombrowski thought he had the authority to sign these contracts without getting ownership’s final OK, and that, apparently was not the case, though it was never fully explained. He also faced some bad luck which sucked up resources with Price - a signing ownership fully endorsed - and the career-ending assault by Machado on Pedroia. But that’s part of the risk. His drafts and international signings were, by and large, sound. It’s yet to be see if Bloom’s drafts are better. Mayer fell in their laps. But rather than “gut” the farm he made some key trades (Sale and Kimbrel being the biggest), in retrospect, he held on to most of the right prospects - especially in the Sale deal keeping Devers. This team isn’t all Bloom’s but 2004 wasn’t all Theo’s and 2013 wasn’t all Cherington’s (although he was part of the org before he became GM). After he was made to trade Mookie, Bloom still had Devers, Bogaerts, JDM and Eovaldi. That’s 3 Stars and one very good player. If he took credit for last year then he’s gotta take it for this year. He owns it. Oh, and gets more salary coming off the books this winter than they ever had to play with while he was in Tampa. So, he should be GM of the year in 2023, right?
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 22, 2022 20:23:25 GMT -5
Really makes me think that something is going on behind the scenes. No idea what that might be but something is not right
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Post by manfred on Jul 22, 2022 20:23:29 GMT -5
The Blue Jays’ owner must be getting nervous. This is the kind of game that could change an arbitration case.
“I had 110 RBIs in 2022.” “Yes, but 78 of them were on July 22!”
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Post by incandenza on Jul 22, 2022 20:23:55 GMT -5
Late on this but I might be less convinced that Duran is a major league player than that Dalbec is. Welcome aboard the Dalbec-has-underperformed-but-Duran-is-actually-pretty-hopeless train!
Meanwhile, in glass half full news: they'll actually be overperforming their pythagorean after this game - at least they haven't been unlucky!
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 22, 2022 20:24:00 GMT -5
Oh come on we are not doing the Trey Ball pick too on top of everything
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 22, 2022 20:24:18 GMT -5
Also to comment generally on the GM criticisms from earlier it’s so odd to me that everyone feels like they are on a team for DD or one for Bloom. Why can’t we acknowledge the good and bad choices of each?
It’s also odd that if you don’t agree with every decision Bloom’s made you think he should be fired a year after the team made the ALCS, and when they could still make the playoffs despite pretty horrible injury luck.
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Post by dirtdog on Jul 22, 2022 20:24:22 GMT -5
The Sox lost 14-1 on Saturday, 13-2 on Sunday and are down 19-3 tonight. I wonder if they’ve EVER had a 3 game stretch this bad?? 78 Yankee massacre
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Post by manfred on Jul 22, 2022 20:26:20 GMT -5
For the record, I no longer think JBJ will get the win in this game.
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Post by benzinger on Jul 22, 2022 20:27:24 GMT -5
That was a weird draft. Not much big talent in the first round beyond Kris Bryant and Tim Anderson. Hunter Renfroe and Christian Arroyo were also 1st round picks that year. Cashman hit a home run getting Judge with the 32nd pick, though. That pick worked out. If memory serves me right, most people wanted Austin Meadows who was available. Which, I guess isn't anything special, but better than a kid who couldn't get out of AA. Meadows is a good player. He definitely would have helped!!
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Post by dirtdog on Jul 22, 2022 20:27:42 GMT -5
Did you see either of the George Foreman vs Joe Frazier fights? The Red Sox are playing the part of Joe Frazier tonight.
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Post by benzinger on Jul 22, 2022 20:28:20 GMT -5
The Blue Jays’ owner must be getting nervous. This is the kind of game that could change an arbitration case. “I had 110 RBIs in 2022.” “Yes, but 78 of them were on July 22!” LMAO. You are on fire tonight.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 22, 2022 20:28:41 GMT -5
You know, if you erased the 7 spot and the 8 spot the Blue Jays put up, we'd only be down by 4.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 22, 2022 20:28:52 GMT -5
So we can’t say ‘Fire Bloom’ til next year, ‘cause that’s when The Plan happens, right? Seems like a good night to check. Literally yes. This is basically still Dombrowski's team that Bloom has duct taped together. Next year will be the first time there is the payroll flexibility for him to really make it his own. If you are gonna make this point, then you should acknowledge that the 2021 run was DD's team as well.
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Post by benzinger on Jul 22, 2022 20:29:17 GMT -5
The Sox lost 14-1 on Saturday, 13-2 on Sunday and are down 19-3 tonight. I wonder if they’ve EVER had a 3 game stretch this bad?? 78 Yankee massacre I figured there MUST be a worse stretch over the last 100 years...but I sure don’t remember it. Yuck.
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Post by dirtdog on Jul 22, 2022 20:29:35 GMT -5
For the record, I no longer think JBJ will get the win in this game. What lead you to that conclusion?
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Post by manfred on Jul 22, 2022 20:29:58 GMT -5
The Blue Jays’ owner must be getting nervous. This is the kind of game that could change an arbitration case. “I had 110 RBIs in 2022.” “Yes, but 78 of them were on July 22!” LMAO. You are on fire tonight. You gotta just laugh. This is like watching a tee ball game. Duran is in center thinking “we ARE still getting ice cream after the game, right?”
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Post by notstarboard on Jul 22, 2022 20:30:22 GMT -5
Also to comment generally on the GM criticisms from earlier it’s so odd to me that everyone feels like they are on a team for DD or one for Bloom. Why can’t we acknowledge the good and bad choices of each? It’s also odd that if you don’t agree with every decision Bloom’s made you think he should be fired a year after the team made the ALCS, and when they could still make the playoffs despite pretty horrible injury luck. I think they're polarizing because they are ideological opposites. I fundamentally disagree with the way Dombrowski operates, even if I acknowledge that some of his moves were quite successful.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 22, 2022 20:30:32 GMT -5
Wonder if the Red Sox can surrender 30 runs tonight like the Orioles did in 2007 against Texas.
50-6. Disgraceful.
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