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Post by notstarboard on Jul 31, 2022 9:00:53 GMT -5
Read RedSoxPayroll's tweets from two days ago. They get into extension scenarios for X and Devers; the takeaway is basically that we need to start getting good contributions from young guys or it'll take a fortune to be a WS contender the next two years. This team needs more young talent and it also would hugely benefit from not paying the luxury tax this year. Selling at the deadline is a great way to have both.
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Post by reasonabledoubt on Jul 31, 2022 11:30:47 GMT -5
I'm trying to understand what it is right now that has most of the players that have been discussed being traded coming out and saying they really want to stay (Xander, Eovaldi, JD, Vazquez). I mean, the current mood in the clubhouse has to be terrible right now. I would think many players would normally be happy for the opportunity to go to a better situation and compete for a ring - maybe the change of scenery might help performances in some cases. Flip it around. How excited would you be as a player to be traded to the Red Sox right now? Maybe only if you play for a much worse team. Does this current Red Sox player feeling come from having let the team down somehow? Loyalty to Cora? Loyalty to the fan base? Sorrow that it is the end of the road back from 2018? I think most players in a similar situation would be not unhappy to get out, especially since probably no big additions are going to be delivered in the next few days by Bloom. Do they trust in the direction Bloom is taking this team? They are on expiring contracts. Or have they become just too comfortable - creatures of habit? Has the losing started to become acceptable, since they can easily lean on the rash of injuries as a main factor in capsizing the teams season? Just seems strange.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 31, 2022 11:42:00 GMT -5
I'm trying to understand what it is right now that has most of the players that have been discussed being traded coming out and saying they really want to stay (Xander, Eovaldi, JD, Vazquez). I mean, the current mood in the clubhouse has to be terrible right now. I would think many players would normally be happy for the opportunity to go to a better situation and compete for a ring - maybe the change of scenery might help performances in some cases. Flip it around. How excited would you be as a player to be traded to the Red Sox right now? Maybe only if you play for a much worse team. Does this current Red Sox player feeling come from having let the team down somehow? Loyalty to Cora? Loyalty to the fan base? Sorrow that it is the end of the road back from 2018? I think most players in a similar situation would be not unhappy to get out, especially since probably no big additions are going to be delivered in the next few days by Bloom. Do they trust in the direction Bloom is taking this team? They are on expiring contracts. Or have they become just too comfortable - creatures of habit? Has the losing started to become acceptable, since they can easily lean on the rash of injuries as a main factor in capsizing the teams season? Just seems strange. You are what your record says you are. A poor team. Multitude of reasons. Injuries, under performing, poor management(that includes Cora). Get something for players not going to be on next year’s team.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 31, 2022 11:42:20 GMT -5
Must lose game.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 31, 2022 12:19:24 GMT -5
I'm trying to understand what it is right now that has most of the players that have been discussed being traded coming out and saying they really want to stay (Xander, Eovaldi, JD, Vazquez). I mean, the current mood in the clubhouse has to be terrible right now. I would think many players would normally be happy for the opportunity to go to a better situation and compete for a ring - maybe the change of scenery might help performances in some cases. Flip it around. How excited would you be as a player to be traded to the Red Sox right now? Maybe only if you play for a much worse team. Does this current Red Sox player feeling come from having let the team down somehow? Loyalty to Cora? Loyalty to the fan base? Sorrow that it is the end of the road back from 2018? I think most players in a similar situation would be not unhappy to get out, especially since probably no big additions are going to be delivered in the next few days by Bloom. Do they trust in the direction Bloom is taking this team? They are on expiring contracts. Or have they become just too comfortable - creatures of habit? Has the losing started to become acceptable, since they can easily lean on the rash of injuries as a main factor in capsizing the teams season? Just seems strange. Awareness of the actual quality of the roster (*), and the team's actual commitment to winning.
Someone once claimed "you are what your record says you are" and that's just laughably wrong, at every level. What was the Sox record in 2020?
* Bullpen excluded. Sox have four relievers who have been above average in both wOBA / xwOBA and Win Probability Added, and one (Whitlock) is likely starting next year and one (Strahm) is not only a free agent currently on the IL, but doesn't come close to qualifying after May 26th. That leaves Scrheiber and Houck.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 31, 2022 12:31:47 GMT -5
I'm trying to understand what it is right now that has most of the players that have been discussed being traded coming out and saying they really want to stay (Xander, Eovaldi, JD, Vazquez). I mean, the current mood in the clubhouse has to be terrible right now. I would think many players would normally be happy for the opportunity to go to a better situation and compete for a ring - maybe the change of scenery might help performances in some cases. Flip it around. How excited would you be as a player to be traded to the Red Sox right now? Maybe only if you play for a much worse team. Does this current Red Sox player feeling come from having let the team down somehow? Loyalty to Cora? Loyalty to the fan base? Sorrow that it is the end of the road back from 2018? I think most players in a similar situation would be not unhappy to get out, especially since probably no big additions are going to be delivered in the next few days by Bloom. Do they trust in the direction Bloom is taking this team? They are on expiring contracts. Or have they become just too comfortable - creatures of habit? Has the losing started to become acceptable, since they can easily lean on the rash of injuries as a main factor in capsizing the teams season? Just seems strange. Awareness of the actual quality of the roster (*), and the team's actual commitment to winning.
Someone once claimed "you are what your record says you are" and that's just laughably wrong, at every level. What was the Sox record in 2020?
* Bullpen excluded. Sox have four relievers who have been above average in both wOBA / xwOBA and Win Probability Added, and one (Whitlock) is likely starting next year and one (Strahm) is not only a free agent currently on the IL, but doesn't come close to qualifying after May 26th. That leaves Scrheiber and Houck.
Given that we didn’t win a series against an AL East team prior to recent injuries. We may be worse than our record. We got fat beating up poor teams. Crumbled at the sight of TB. Couldn’t beat Baltimore . Closer didn’t care enough to get the jab in Toronto. No, we really stink. There’s no algorithm out there that says other wise. Love your work Eric. But, the scoreboard matters.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 31, 2022 12:31:57 GMT -5
let's get a W today !!
Hope it is a good Wincky day.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Jul 31, 2022 12:33:04 GMT -5
Does Chaim Bloom usually attend Red Sox games?
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 31, 2022 12:33:47 GMT -5
I'm trying to understand what it is right now that has most of the players that have been discussed being traded coming out and saying they really want to stay (Xander, Eovaldi, JD, Vazquez). I mean, the current mood in the clubhouse has to be terrible right now. I would think many players would normally be happy for the opportunity to go to a better situation and compete for a ring - maybe the change of scenery might help performances in some cases. Flip it around. How excited would you be as a player to be traded to the Red Sox right now? Maybe only if you play for a much worse team. Does this current Red Sox player feeling come from having let the team down somehow? Loyalty to Cora? Loyalty to the fan base? Sorrow that it is the end of the road back from 2018? I think most players in a similar situation would be not unhappy to get out, especially since probably no big additions are going to be delivered in the next few days by Bloom. Do they trust in the direction Bloom is taking this team? They are on expiring contracts. Or have they become just too comfortable - creatures of habit? Has the losing started to become acceptable, since they can easily lean on the rash of injuries as a main factor in capsizing the teams season? Just seems strange. Awareness of the actual quality of the roster (*), and the team's actual commitment to winning.
Someone once claimed "you are what your record says you are" and that's just laughably wrong, at every level. What was the Sox record in 2020?
* Bullpen excluded. Sox have four relievers who have been above average in both wOBA / xwOBA and Win Probability Added, and one (Whitlock) is likely starting next year and one (Strahm) is not only a free agent currently on the IL, but doesn't come close to qualifying after May 26th. That leaves Scrheiber and Houck.
If they bullpen hadn't blown close to 10 games that should have been wins early on and they were up with (or even ahead of) the Jays and Rays, I'd agree with you. But the hole they've dug outweighs the odds that they can get all the band back together and play like June.
I get that the players believe but that's how they're wired. At some point, the GM has to make a difficult decision. If he asked me, I'd say sell.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 31, 2022 12:34:03 GMT -5
those are some dubious historical records this team is going through.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 31, 2022 12:35:02 GMT -5
Does Chaim Bloom usually attend Red Sox games? I think he and other FO members attend most home games and travel with the team on one or two road trips.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 31, 2022 12:38:02 GMT -5
I don't know, I think Bloom is gonna ride it out with this team. He wants them to get healthy. If he is that patient, he is on his way to Sainthood.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Jul 31, 2022 12:43:30 GMT -5
Does Chaim Bloom usually attend Red Sox games? I think he and other FO members attend most home games and travel with the team on one or two road trips. Thanks. I lost it when showed him on NESN looking like the angel of death next to his laptop guy, who was furiously crunching number with his head down.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 31, 2022 12:46:09 GMT -5
this guy sets like Andy Pettite. That means I can't like him at all.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 31, 2022 12:46:54 GMT -5
I don't know, I think Bloom is gonna ride it out with this team. He wants them to get healthy. If he is that patient, he is on his way to Sainthood. Mad rumors floating around about Vaz and JD to NYM.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 31, 2022 12:48:21 GMT -5
A lot of Bill Russell stats and facts on the radio broadcast. There will never be another like him.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 31, 2022 12:51:39 GMT -5
Championship level base running.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 31, 2022 12:52:03 GMT -5
jeez. 2 on and none out. just can't get out of the hole brothers.
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Post by manfred on Jul 31, 2022 12:53:05 GMT -5
Wait… once they touched first, if X had maintained the rundown, they score, right?
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 31, 2022 12:55:38 GMT -5
Except Davis didn't move...
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jul 31, 2022 12:57:11 GMT -5
Great trade
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 31, 2022 12:57:37 GMT -5
I don't know, I think Bloom is gonna ride it out with this team. He wants them to get healthy. If he is that patient, he is on his way to Sainthood. Mad rumors floating around about Vaz and JD to NYM. Hope we can dump Diekman in that deal too. Enough of the HBP, BB and wild pitch to start an inning
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Post by costpet on Jul 31, 2022 12:57:38 GMT -5
Wonder if we could trade for Renfro
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 31, 2022 12:59:03 GMT -5
Man, if we had a guy like Renfroe, we'd be in first place...
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Post by kevfc89 on Jul 31, 2022 12:59:30 GMT -5
i'm not even a renfroe guy, but there was no doubt that he would hurt us this series
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