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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 7, 2022 15:58:39 GMT -5
They're capable of sucking without Diekman continuing to contribute to their sucktitude. I think you're the only one who misses Diekman. I dont. Better than Darwinzon and Davis. He could be useful if used in certain situations. Davis and Darwinzon are awful. They didnt get under the tax and they got rid of a bullpen arm that had upside. So, yes, I think the trade is a mistake if you're trying to compete. The money doesn't matter if you're not getting under the tax. Useful for what? This team isn't winning squat. And if he was that good he would have been a consistent late inning guy with the lead, but he wasn't. Diekman is better than Darwin and Davis but that's a low bar to clear. Diekman isn't the difference between a playoff spot and missing.
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Post by station13 on Aug 7, 2022 15:59:31 GMT -5
3 LHP relievers all brings miserable experiences. Often LH relievers are fuel for fire.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 7, 2022 15:59:48 GMT -5
There is no waiver trade wire anymore. They can't put a guy on waivers and lose them for nothing as long as the team takes on their full salary? I dont think so? Getting nothing at all for Eovaldi is kind if criminal.
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Post by nomar on Aug 7, 2022 15:59:54 GMT -5
What do Duran and Darwinzon have in common? Both former top-3 prospects. Good to keep in mind. Sounds great without context, and yes we rode them into the ground like a 2001 Honda Civic, but let’s not pretend that their trade value was ever like our top 3 right now. It sucks that we didn’t get anything out of them, but they both always had red flags.
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Post by manfred on Aug 7, 2022 16:01:47 GMT -5
What do Duran and Darwinzon have in common? Both former top-3 prospects. Good to keep in mind. Sounds great without context, and yes we rode them into the ground like a 2001 Honda Civic, but let’s not pretend that their trade value was ever like our top 3 right now. It sucks that we didn’t get anything out of them, but they both always had red flags. Sure. But as we get excited about guys in the mid-20s, we should just remember how those red flags flare up.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 7, 2022 16:02:14 GMT -5
Better than Darwinzon and Davis. He could be useful if used in certain situations. Davis and Darwinzon are awful. They didnt get under the tax and they got rid of a bullpen arm that had upside. So, yes, I think the trade is a mistake if you're trying to compete. The money doesn't matter if you're not getting under the tax. Useful for what? This team isn't winning squat. And if he was that good he would have been a consistent late inning guy with the lead, but he wasn't. Diekman is better than Darwin and Davis but that's a low bar to clear. Diekman isn't the difference between a playoff spot and missing. I agree with you. I'm a hardliner, should have sold. This team sucks, Yada, Yada Yada. I just don't think you dump his salary when he could be a decent arm unless you're goal is to get under the tax and you're looking to sell. In a vacuum, I like the trade because Diekman isn't the future and this team isn't competitive. I'm saying in the prism of competing for this season, you don't replace Diekman with Darwinzon, you get a better arm or you just don't remove guys who can be somewhat useful. The trade accomplished nothing which is less to do with Diekman and more to do with what a joke this deadline was.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Aug 7, 2022 16:02:30 GMT -5
The Red Sox were over-performing their Pythag by two games coming into today and that gap will probably grow from this blowout. It's too bad Pythag doesn't determine draft order.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 7, 2022 16:03:50 GMT -5
They can't put a guy on waivers and lose them for nothing as long as the team takes on their full salary? I dont think so? Getting nothing at all for Eovaldi is kind if criminal. If the Red Sox QO him, would he accept? I don't know if a team would lose a pick for him at this point. His stuff looks diminished.
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Post by kingstephanos on Aug 7, 2022 16:04:33 GMT -5
The Pink Elephant in the room... Is that this team hasn't been coached very well. Loosing multiple games by 10+ runs is an indictment of the manager's ability know when to pull/put in pitchers or to create a proper lineup that scores runs on a consistent basis.
The counter to this is that there have been numerous injuries to the Sox - this is all true.
I'd counter that a manager with good instincts would not put a Duran in CF on multiple occasions, he would not put a Darwinzon into high level innings, nor would he put players like Arroyo and Frenchy in positions that they are ill-fitting for.
Cora won a championship in 2018, that's great. He had the unbelievable good luck of not having to use his 'instincts' regarding the lineup or pitching staff. When Cora needs to bring out the best in secondary players, he seems to put them in bad positions more often then not, unfortunately.
I'm not suggesting to get rid of him, as he's seemingly great with personal relationships. However, his ability to game plan is seriously lacking in-game and could be offloaded for more analytical means.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 7, 2022 16:04:47 GMT -5
At this point bring up anyone in the minors with a pulse and DFA Hernandez
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 7, 2022 16:05:00 GMT -5
Eovaldi is getting a QO and not accepting it, not even close on either of those decisions. Pitchers make a lot of money in free agency.
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Post by manfred on Aug 7, 2022 16:06:45 GMT -5
Who has Duran for meaningless home run here?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 7, 2022 16:06:53 GMT -5
Eovaldi is getting a QO and not accepting it, not even close on either of those decisions. Pitchers make a lot of money in free agency. I could see that, but here's the other problem. They're over the luxury anyways so all the supplemental are 4th rounders, so they're not getting much for him anyways.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 7, 2022 16:06:56 GMT -5
Useful for what? This team isn't winning squat. And if he was that good he would have been a consistent late inning guy with the lead, but he wasn't. Diekman is better than Darwin and Davis but that's a low bar to clear. Diekman isn't the difference between a playoff spot and missing. I agree with you. I'm a hardliner, should have sold. This team sucks, Yada, Yada Yada. I just don't think you dump his salary when he could be a decent arm unless you're goal is to get under the tax and you're looking to sell. In a vacuum, I like the trade because Diekman isn't the future and this team isn't competitive. I'm saying in the prism of competing for this season, you don't replace Diekman with Darwinzon, you get a better arm or you just don't remove guys who can be somewhat useful. The trade accomplished nothing which is less to do with Diekman and more to do with what a joke this deadline was. Yeah, but not wanting a mod to get involved that's why the deadline philosophy made no sense. Frankly, if it ever mattered, the two lefties would be a healthy Josh Taylor and Matt Strahm, both who are more reliable than Diekman. Neither of them walk the ballpark. Of course both are injured right now and the Sox really aren't in it anyways. Not really.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Aug 7, 2022 16:07:49 GMT -5
I dont think so? Getting nothing at all for Eovaldi is kind if criminal. If the Red Sox QO him, would he accept? I don't know if a team would lose a pick for him at this point. His stuff looks diminished. I think he'd accept and lock in another $20M. Otherwise, he'd risk being one of those FAs who's still sitting out there deep into ST and maybe beyond. It's looking like we stand to get nothing, or very little, in draft pick compensation for our FAs. It's another reason we should have sold at the deadline. If nothing else, we could have gotten below the LTT. It's what I mean when I say there's no rhyme or reason to what CB is doing this year. To say his reasoning has been erratic is an insult to erratic.
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 7, 2022 16:07:53 GMT -5
I hoping the experiment with Duran in CF is over soon.
What karma cutting JBJ .
We can argue about them trying this part of the season but are they getting final looks on some people towards the end of the season?
Taylor with the grab in CF.
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Post by greenmonster on Aug 7, 2022 16:08:05 GMT -5
RBI for Duran
Really Bad Inning
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 7, 2022 16:09:21 GMT -5
I dont think so? Getting nothing at all for Eovaldi is kind if criminal. If the Red Sox QO him, would he accept? I don't know if a team would lose a pick for him at this point. His stuff looks diminished. Time could get him healthy. He probably would decline the QO, but I think another team would risk losing the draft pick to sign him.
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Post by manfred on Aug 7, 2022 16:09:34 GMT -5
Sox gunna cover the spread?
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Post by blizzards39 on Aug 7, 2022 16:11:54 GMT -5
I hoping the experiment with Duran in CF is over soon. What karma cutting JBJ . We can argue about them trying this part of the season but are they getting final looks on some people towards the end of the season? Taylor with the grab in CF. Blaim Duran but JD and x have been the issue. Downright awe full for 6 weeks. And EVO. The core
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Post by greenmonster on Aug 7, 2022 16:12:13 GMT -5
Pennant race resumes Tuesday
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Post by kingstephanos on Aug 7, 2022 16:12:46 GMT -5
Sounds great without context, and yes we rode them into the ground like a 2001 Honda Civic, but let’s not pretend that their trade value was ever like our top 3 right now. It sucks that we didn’t get anything out of them, but they both always had red flags. Sure. But as we get excited about guys in the mid-20s, we should just remember how those red flags flare up. I agree with you. For me, Tristan Casas doesn't move the needle as a purely 1st base prospect. Seems more like ok regular than a star - from his minor league resume.
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Post by dirtdog on Aug 7, 2022 16:13:48 GMT -5
I think it is starting to become obvious that if it ever happens for Darwinzon it wont be here.
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Post by manfred on Aug 7, 2022 16:14:01 GMT -5
Future is bright!!
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 7, 2022 16:14:54 GMT -5
Playoff odds gonna be at a season low tonight Still time to put $7 million of salary on waivers and get under the tax In theory it doesn’t matter when they do it but do it before the season ends? AM I correct?
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