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Post by grandsalami on Aug 7, 2022 17:10:45 GMT -5
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Post by benzinger on Aug 7, 2022 17:15:25 GMT -5
I almost feel bad for the kid. He’s CLEARLY not a CF in the Major Leagues. It’s obvious to everyone who has seen him play. It’s almost as if they are setting him up to fail. He deserves better, honestly.
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Post by iliketacos on Aug 7, 2022 17:19:14 GMT -5
He is not an outfielder. Perhaps he can play second base, but the fact that the club hasn't even tried him out at all at the position makes me think he cannot. With all of that athleticism, it's too bad.
The arm alone makes Damon's grade out as an 80 in comparison..
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Post by wOBA Fett on Aug 7, 2022 17:26:39 GMT -5
![](https://i.groupme.com/1098x457.png.1fccf79f86ab45c28d9e4d1420ff7208) It's possible
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 7, 2022 17:32:45 GMT -5
![](https://i.groupme.com/1098x457.png.1fccf79f86ab45c28d9e4d1420ff7208) It's possible ![](https://i.insider.com/5183eaadeab8ea0542000000?width=750&format=jpeg&auto=webp)
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Post by Guidas on Aug 7, 2022 17:33:55 GMT -5
I would love to talk with the genius, not the one who decided to convert long-time second baseman Jarred Duran to CF, but the one who, when faced with the obvious evidence in AA and AAA that he just was not a centerfielder, decided regardless of performance to keep him there instead of moving him back to second base.
This is probably because he "has wheels," and internal evaluators keep thinking he'll grow into the position. Guess what, he's not. Put him back at second where he feels more comfortable and was at least adequate, and let him relax in the field and focus more on his plate discipline and driving the ball.
It's a failed experiment, and it's hurting the team almost every game he plays now.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Aug 7, 2022 17:48:39 GMT -5
Due to injuries the Sox have had several guys up who are clearly not MLB ready. So not ready they have close to zero trade value. I guess that is a minor plus in a way as most of them remain intriguing on some level. I wonder if Duran is shipped out in a trade over the winter. His defense is suspect and his offense is not much better….
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Aug 7, 2022 18:01:33 GMT -5
Due to injuries the Sox have had several guys up who are clearly not MLB ready. So not ready they have close to zero trade value. I guess that is a minor plus in a way as most of them remain intriguing on some level. I wonder if Duran is shipped out in a trade over the winter. His defense is suspect and his offense is not much better…. With a resume like at, many teams will come looking for a trade
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 7, 2022 18:31:31 GMT -5
First run at 2023 roster projection:
C
McGuire 1 WAR Wong .5 WAR
1B
Casas 1 WAR Hosmer .5 WAR
2B
Story 3.5 WAR
3B
Devers 5 WAR
SS
Arroyo 1 WAR Downs .5 WAR
LF
Verdugo 2 WAR
CF
Nothing
RF
Refsnyder 1 WAR
DH
Valdez 1 WAR Dalbec .5 WAR
SP
Sale 2.5 WAR Paxton 2 WAR Pivetta 2 WAR Whitlock 2 WAR Crawford 1.5 WAR Bello 1.5 WAR Winckowski 1 WAR
RP Houck 1 WAR Schreiber 1 WAR Brasier .5 WAR
Position players: 17.5 WAR Pitchers: 15 WAR Replacement level: 47.5 wins
=== 80 wins Something in the ballpark of 70 million to spend before the luxury tax
Looking alright to me
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Post by manfred on Aug 7, 2022 18:36:54 GMT -5
First run at 2023 roster projection: C McGuire 1 WAR Wong .5 WAR 1B Casas 1 WAR Hosmer .5 WAR 2B Story 3.5 WAR 3B Devers 5 WAR SS Arroyo 1 WAR Downs .5 WAR LF Verdugo 2 WAR CF Nothing RF Refsnyder 1 WAR DH Valdez 1 WAR Dalbec .5 WAR SP Sale 2.5 WAR Paxton 2 WAR Pivetta 2 WAR Whitlock 2 WAR Crawford 1.5 WAR Bello 1.5 WAR Winckowski 1 WAR RP Houck 1 WAR Schreiber 1 WAR Brasier .5 WAR Position players: 17.5 WAR Pitchers: 15 WAR Replacement level: 47.5 wins === 80 wins Something in the ballpark of 70 million to spend before the luxury tax Looking alright to me I can’t tell if that is sarcasm.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 7, 2022 18:41:32 GMT -5
Your posts are insufferable and there's just so many of them. I'll take you off the block list in a few months.
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Post by kingstephanos on Aug 7, 2022 18:43:20 GMT -5
I would love to talk with the genius, not the one who decided to convert long-time second baseman Jarred Duran to CF, but the one who, when faced with the obvious evidence in AA and AAA that he just was not a centerfielder, decided regardless of performance to keep him there instead of moving him back to second base. This is probably because he "has wheels," and internal evaluators keep thinking he'll grow into the position. Guess what, he's not. Put him back at second where he feels more comfortable and was at least adequate, and let him relax in the field and focus more on his plate discipline and driving the ball. It's a failed experiment, and it's hurting the team almost every game he plays now. Totally agree here. This is similar to what happened to Blake Swihart, imo. Moving a guy off a position he's most comfortable at - leading to disastrous outcomes. This philosophy (seen now in multiple regimes) where "X player can readily move to other spots on the field" does not take into consideration the human element. The Ceddanne Rafaela types (who can excel at multiple positions) are not the norm. Changing positions can definitely be tried in the minors, but doing it repeatedly in the MLB - even with injuries - does the players a disservice. And in the most cynical sense, it depreciates an asset.
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Post by atzar on Aug 7, 2022 18:49:01 GMT -5
Not sure a guy who butchers routine fly balls on a regular basis has any position on the baseball diamond. I'm just not sure what you do with Duran at this point. Athleticism isn't everything.
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Post by manfred on Aug 7, 2022 18:58:54 GMT -5
I would love to talk with the genius, not the one who decided to convert long-time second baseman Jarred Duran to CF, but the one who, when faced with the obvious evidence in AA and AAA that he just was not a centerfielder, decided regardless of performance to keep him there instead of moving him back to second base. This is probably because he "has wheels," and internal evaluators keep thinking he'll grow into the position. Guess what, he's not. Put him back at second where he feels more comfortable and was at least adequate, and let him relax in the field and focus more on his plate discipline and driving the ball. It's a failed experiment, and it's hurting the team almost every game he plays now. Totally agree here. This is similar to what happened to Blake Swihart, imo. Moving a guy off a position he's most comfortable at - leading to disastrous outcomes. This philosophy (seen now in multiple regimes) where "X player can readily move to other spots on the field" does not take into consideration the human element. The Ceddanne Rafaela types (who can excel at multiple positions) are not the norm. Changing positions can definitely be tried in the minors, but doing it repeatedly in the MLB - even with injuries - does the players a disservice. And in the most cynical sense, it depreciates an asset. But was he a legit 2b? I don’t know that this is a situation where Duran was ruined by management. Swihart was far worse. But were there reports on Duran at second that suggested he’d stick there? He feels like a guy who might have no position and they did their best to find one.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 7, 2022 19:19:33 GMT -5
Totally agree here. This is similar to what happened to Blake Swihart, imo. Moving a guy off a position he's most comfortable at - leading to disastrous outcomes. This philosophy (seen now in multiple regimes) where "X player can readily move to other spots on the field" does not take into consideration the human element. The Ceddanne Rafaela types (who can excel at multiple positions) are not the norm. Changing positions can definitely be tried in the minors, but doing it repeatedly in the MLB - even with injuries - does the players a disservice. And in the most cynical sense, it depreciates an asset. But was he a legit 2b? I don’t know that this is a situation where Duran was ruined by management. Swihart was far worse. But were there reports on Duran at second that suggested he’d stick there? He feels like a guy who might have no position and they did their best to find one. Well the official soxprospects view is this: "At least he's not wasting his athleticism in center field," I am tempted to mutter sarcastically.
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Post by cdj on Aug 7, 2022 19:19:34 GMT -5
First run at 2023 roster projection: C McGuire 1 WAR Wong .5 WAR 1B Casas 1 WAR Hosmer .5 WAR 2B Story 3.5 WAR 3B Devers 5 WAR SS Arroyo 1 WAR Downs .5 WAR LF Verdugo 2 WAR CF Nothing RF Refsnyder 1 WAR DH Valdez 1 WAR Dalbec .5 WAR SP Sale 2.5 WAR Paxton 2 WAR Pivetta 2 WAR Whitlock 2 WAR Crawford 1.5 WAR Bello 1.5 WAR Winckowski 1 WAR RP Houck 1 WAR Schreiber 1 WAR Brasier .5 WAR Position players: 17.5 WAR Pitchers: 15 WAR Replacement level: 47.5 wins === 80 wins Something in the ballpark of 70 million to spend before the luxury tax Looking alright to me I can’t tell if that is sarcasm. Those look to be pretty conservative projections to me. With another $70 mill to spend for 2023 that’ll be a good roster. My guess is they’re easily back in the playoffs with that.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 7, 2022 19:21:16 GMT -5
Dar back down when Wacha is ready. But...Duran back to Work, who can come up???
Quite a bind.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 7, 2022 19:36:49 GMT -5
But was he a legit 2b? I don’t know that this is a situation where Duran was ruined by management. Swihart was far worse. But were there reports on Duran at second that suggested he’d stick there? He feels like a guy who might have no position and they did their best to find one. Well the official soxprospects view is this: "At least he's not wasting his athleticism in center field," I am tempted to mutter sarcastically. I’ve got to believe a position you played for a long, long time is much easier to pick back up. They could work with him for the off-season or even send him to winter ball to play second and AAA for a month or so if he needs more work.
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Post by manfred on Aug 7, 2022 20:16:03 GMT -5
Things may be bad for the Sox, but I’m feeling better and better about my second favorite team, the Anytown Notttheyankees.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Aug 7, 2022 21:55:53 GMT -5
Reference Duran, yeah we all see him having a hard time but baseball is hard and MLB is the highest level of baseball in the world not everyone can succeed immediately. I think we should exercise patience with him there is an explosive ball player in there somewhere hopefully the Sox can get it out of him.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Aug 7, 2022 22:49:13 GMT -5
![](https://i.groupme.com/1098x457.png.1fccf79f86ab45c28d9e4d1420ff7208) It's possible According to them we also have the 5th toughest remaining SOS, so as soon as everyone gets on board we can unleash the tank. If it were up to me we'd have already been there by now.
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Post by cdj on Aug 7, 2022 22:58:48 GMT -5
I familiarized myself with Pham’s backstory and I’m rooting for the guy pretty hard now
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Post by bosoxnation on Aug 8, 2022 0:56:49 GMT -5
Your posts are insufferable and there's just so many of them. I'll take you off the block list in a few months. who’s this to? 😂
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 8, 2022 2:39:55 GMT -5
I can’t tell if that is sarcasm. Those look to be pretty conservative projections to me. With another $70 mill to spend for 2023 that’ll be a good roster. My guess is they’re easily back in the playoffs with that. We made the playoffs 6/7 years early in Henry’s ownership. 03-09. We’ve missed the playoffs 8/13 years since. That’s unacceptable for a big market team. Only one year was close to making it too. 2011. We’ve been spotty a couple of World Series in that span. Chaim’s comments about missing out on a great deal instead of just adding good players is very concerning.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 8, 2022 6:26:52 GMT -5
Those look to be pretty conservative projections to me. With another $70 mill to spend for 2023 that’ll be a good roster. My guess is they’re easily back in the playoffs with that. We made the playoffs 6/7 years early in Henry’s ownership. 03-09. We’ve missed the playoffs 8/13 years since. That’s unacceptable for a big market team. Only one year was close to making it too. 2011. We’ve been spotty a couple of World Series in that span. Chaim’s comments about missing out on a great deal instead of just adding good players is very concerning. This team certainly does give you whiplash.
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