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Kiké Hernandez extended for 1/10
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Post by greenmonster on Sept 6, 2022 10:00:16 GMT -5
I believe Kiké was signed to be the primary CFer next season which would mean the front office is no longer committed to Duran in that role. The Kiké signing also gives them some flexibility if the $hit hits the fan at SS and they need to shift Story.
As far as FA signings that resulted in queuing the duck boats......it would have to be Curt Schilling. He was literally added after the 2003 nightmare and was hugely instrumental in the 2004 Championship!
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 6, 2022 10:07:48 GMT -5
Any chance he's cheap short term Xander insurance? Is he still passable at short? Possibly but I don't think it would be Hernandez playing SS it'd be Hernandez playing 2nd and Story playing SS. Though I think the idea probably is to have Hernandez penciled in for CF to start the year. Still allows them some flexibility in case the SS market gets out of hand and maybe Bloom decides he'd rather sign maybe Nimmo and a guy like Haniger for the same price as what the SS end up getting.
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Post by kman22 on Sept 6, 2022 10:09:03 GMT -5
I believe Kiké was signed to be the primary CFer next season which would mean the front office is no longer committed to Duran in that role. The Kiké signing also gives them some flexibility if the $hit hits the fan at SS and they need to shift Story. As far as FA signings that resulted in queuing the duck boats......it would have to be Curt Schilling. He was literally added after the 2003 nightmare and was hugely instrumental in the 2004 Championship! Schilling was a trade. Price was part of the WS team in 2018? So there were duck boats. I like the extension. One less problem to tackle in an offseason that already looks like it will be busy.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Sept 6, 2022 10:09:08 GMT -5
I believe Kiké was signed to be the primary CFer next season which would mean the front office is no longer committed to Duran in that role. The Kiké signing also gives them some flexibility if the $hit hits the fan at SS and they need to shift Story. As far as FA signings that resulted in queuing the duck boats......it would have to be Curt Schilling. He was literally added after the 2003 nightmare and was hugely instrumental in the 2004 Championship! Put some respect on Casey Fossum, JDLR, and Brandon Lyon's names
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Post by xdmo on Sept 6, 2022 10:11:29 GMT -5
One year bridge until Rafaella is ready.
This is a better deal than the QO. I'm surprised Kiké didn't test the market. He must really like it here in Boston.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 6, 2022 10:13:12 GMT -5
Is it sexy? No. It's the quintessential Chaim Bloom move. The FA market for OF is bereft of anyone who could contribute. He will make all the plays defensively, and maybe you catch lightning in a bottle and he hits. 10 million is tradeable as well if they find a better deal via trade but he's a good fallback option. It's not a queue the Duck Boats moment, nor is it taps playing over the loudspeaker of a hearse. As long as he never sniffs leadoff again I like the deal. In his defense, how many of the Red Sox queue the duck boat free agent signings have actually queued said boats? Well, JD Martinez had a huge first year in a championship season.
In fact he is like the platonic ideal of a free agent signing: great value at the beginning contributing to a title, an anchor at the end dragging the team toward mediocrity, overall just about worth what he's been paid - the way the system is supposed to work!
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Post by orion09 on Sept 6, 2022 10:13:55 GMT -5
Is it sexy? No. It's the quintessential Chaim Bloom move. The FA market for OF is bereft of anyone who could contribute. He will make all the plays defensively, and maybe you catch lightning in a bottle and he hits. 10 million is tradeable as well if they find a better deal via trade but he's a good fallback option. It's not a queue the Duck Boats moment, nor is it taps playing over the loudspeaker of a hearse. As long as he never sniffs leadoff again I like the deal. In his defense, how many of the Red Sox queue the duck boat free agent signings have actually queued said boats? Both JDs… Drew and Martinez
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 6, 2022 10:15:09 GMT -5
That's what I pegged his market value at, so one less move to worry about.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Sept 6, 2022 10:18:08 GMT -5
In his defense, how many of the Red Sox queue the duck boat free agent signings have actually queued said boats? Both JDs… Drew and Martinez JD definitely, no arguments there. Drew is open for debate if it's the 1 AB argument. I will say, I do feel the deals that they set the market on, feel like they failed more often than succeeded
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Post by incandenza on Sept 6, 2022 10:19:57 GMT -5
Bridge to Rafaela: built.
So what's left? Like $85 million? To spend on:
-RF -SS -A whole mess o' pitching
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 6, 2022 10:22:09 GMT -5
1 year contract. Now you have to start all over next year with the same problem. Would have preferred a 2 yr commitment at around 16-17. That may seem nitpicky but I think it is valid. Of course, maybe he didn't want that.
He is a good, not great ballplayer, with a lot of defensive positional value. Good guy to have, but more kicking the can down the road.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Sept 6, 2022 10:23:50 GMT -5
Bridge to Rafaela: built. So what's left? Like $85 million? To spend on: -RF -SS -A whole mess o' pitching I think it's around $70 after all arbitration. May need to work catcher into that financial commitment depending on how they feel about a Wong/McGuire pairing. Probably a mid level DH replacement as well
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Post by manfred on Sept 6, 2022 10:25:07 GMT -5
Bridge to Rafaela: built. So what's left? Like $85 million? To spend on: -RF -SS -A whole mess o' pitching DH, maybe? I am not convinced the rotation of 1b gives them both 1b and DH.
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Post by redsoxpride34 on Sept 6, 2022 10:30:39 GMT -5
Don't hate the extension but not overly excited about it. Kiké is a good utility guy but is very mediocre as a starter. My hope is that they don't approach the offseason with Kiké locked in as a starter and more view him as a fallback option who should be the utility guy.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Sept 6, 2022 10:30:49 GMT -5
Bridge to Rafaela: built. So what's left? Like $85 million? To spend on: -RF -SS -A whole mess o' pitching DH, maybe? I am not convinced the rotation of 1b gives them both 1b and DH. I would imagine they go with a rotating "rest day" DH moving forward as opposed to having one true DH. Probably makes the most sense flexibility-wise and allows them to play matchups more often if they want to go that route.
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Post by scottysmalls on Sept 6, 2022 10:32:11 GMT -5
Bridge to Rafaela: built. So what's left? Like $85 million? To spend on: -RF -SS -A whole mess o' pitching I think it's around $70 after all arbitration. May need to work catcher into that financial commitment depending on how they feel about a Wong/McGuire pairing. Probably a mid level DH replacement as well Believe it depends on Paxton, it should be $70 if they resign him and $83 ish if they let him go (somewhere in between if he takes his own option).
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Sept 6, 2022 10:33:06 GMT -5
I think it's around $70 after all arbitration. May need to work catcher into that financial commitment depending on how they feel about a Wong/McGuire pairing. Probably a mid level DH replacement as well Believe it depends on Paxton, it should be $70 if they resign him and $83 ish if they let him go (somewhere in between if he takes his own option). Gotchya. I'm seeing that now, using RedSoxPayroll's spreadsheet
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Post by incandenza on Sept 6, 2022 10:33:07 GMT -5
Bridge to Rafaela: built. So what's left? Like $85 million? To spend on: -RF -SS -A whole mess o' pitching DH, maybe? I am not convinced the rotation of 1b gives them both 1b and DH. If they add a SS (hopefully Xander) they'll have that guy, Story, Arroyo, Casas, Hosmer, and Kiké - 6 guys to fungibly play 4 positions. Plus other options like Dalbec and Refsnyder.
Yeah, maybe Hosmer or Arroyo or whatever as DH is not that sexy, but a substantial upgrade on that would mean spending big on... who? Abreu maybe? But then you're devoting a ton of resources to a position that offers minimal return. I'd way rather put that money into RF and pitching.
ADD: Checking the free agent list, here are all the free agent DHs that will be available:
JD Martinez Andrew McCutchen (who has apparently been making most of his starts at that position)
End of list.
So even if you wanted to sign a guy as primarily a DH it'd have to be a positional player who could be convinced to take on that role.
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Post by manfred on Sept 6, 2022 10:36:04 GMT -5
DH, maybe? I am not convinced the rotation of 1b gives them both 1b and DH. If they add a SS (hopefully Xander) they'll have that guy, Story, Arroyo, Casas, Hosmer, and Kiké - 6 guys to fungibly play 4 positions. Plus other options like Dalbec and Refsnyder.
Yeah, maybe Hosmer or Arroyo or whatever as DH is not that sexy, but a substantial upgrade on that would mean spending big on... who? Abreu maybe? But then you're devoting a ton of resources to a position that offers minimal return. I'd way rather put that money into RF and pitching.
Fair enough, but this is also why I am not convinced when people equate having a lot of money with upgrades… I am not sure where it goes! I still think the only way they make themselves genuine contenders is a pretty big trade.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 6, 2022 10:42:58 GMT -5
If they add a SS (hopefully Xander) they'll have that guy, Story, Arroyo, Casas, Hosmer, and Kiké - 6 guys to fungibly play 4 positions. Plus other options like Dalbec and Refsnyder.
Yeah, maybe Hosmer or Arroyo or whatever as DH is not that sexy, but a substantial upgrade on that would mean spending big on... who? Abreu maybe? But then you're devoting a ton of resources to a position that offers minimal return. I'd way rather put that money into RF and pitching.
Fair enough, but this is also why I am not convinced when people equate having a lot of money with upgrades… I am not sure where it goes! I still think the only way they make themselves genuine contenders is a pretty big trade. Well, hopefully it goes to RF and pitching, where there are many more options...
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Sept 6, 2022 10:50:47 GMT -5
DH, maybe? I am not convinced the rotation of 1b gives them both 1b and DH. If they add a SS (hopefully Xander) they'll have that guy, Story, Arroyo, Casas, Hosmer, and Kiké - 6 guys to fungibly play 4 positions. Plus other options like Dalbec and Refsnyder.
Yeah, maybe Hosmer or Arroyo or whatever as DH is not that sexy, but a substantial upgrade on that would mean spending big on... who? Abreu maybe? But then you're devoting a ton of resources to a position that offers minimal return. I'd way rather put that money into RF and pitching.
ADD: Checking the free agent list, here are all the free agent DHs that will be available:
JD Martinez Andrew McCutchen (who has apparently been making most of his starts at that position)
End of list.
So even if you wanted to sign a guy as primarily a DH it'd have to be a positional player who could be convinced to take on that role.
Pure DH only guys are definitely going away. Guys like Mitch Haniger and Joc Pederson have been splitting time at DH, and probably would boost their value exponentially on a 1yr, DH role in Boston
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 6, 2022 10:51:25 GMT -5
DH, maybe? I am not convinced the rotation of 1b gives them both 1b and DH. If they add a SS (hopefully Xander) they'll have that guy, Story, Arroyo, Casas, Hosmer, and Kiké - 6 guys to fungibly play 4 positions. Plus other options like Dalbec and Refsnyder.
Yeah, maybe Hosmer or Arroyo or whatever as DH is not that sexy, but a substantial upgrade on that would mean spending big on... who? Abreu maybe? But then you're devoting a ton of resources to a position that offers minimal return. I'd way rather put that money into RF and pitching.
ADD: Checking the free agent list, here are all the free agent DHs that will be available:
JD Martinez Andrew McCutchen (who has apparently been making most of his starts at that position)
End of list.
So even if you wanted to sign a guy as primarily a DH it'd have to be a positional player who could be convinced to take on that role.
I'd also add Jose Abreu and Michael Brantley as guys who could be DH options.
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 6, 2022 10:52:57 GMT -5
This move simplifies the offseason so much. It was going to get dicey trying to find two OFs, one of which can play CF every day, if Kiké went somewhere else. I think Alex Cora is probably owed some credit for Kiké apparently being excited to stay here
I expect him to have about a .300 OBP and a .400 SLG, and to have a ton of defensive value.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Sept 6, 2022 11:27:07 GMT -5
Works for me, I said give him the same contract as last time but you add a couple mill to the AAV to remove the year so you don’t have to pay for his age 33 season unless you really want to My thought exactly, they do not need Hernandez in 2024 if you have Rafaela, so why pay 2 yr - $14,000,000.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Sept 6, 2022 11:32:59 GMT -5
Also, might I add, there's not a huge market for outfielders this year and the Sox needed two. Besides the monster-headlinging FA it's a pretty void class in the outfield. There's talent there with guys like Nimo but we're not the only show in town. I think Kiké at SS is not going to happen. I'd believe Story moves back to SS before Kiké, but I firmly believe the Sox are going to sign a SS this offseason, Bogey or someone else. IMO, Bogaerts and the Red Sox will work something out.
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