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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Sept 6, 2022 11:46:07 GMT -5
DH, maybe? I am not convinced the rotation of 1b gives them both 1b and DH. I would imagine they go with a rotating "rest day" DH moving forward as opposed to having one true DH. Probably makes the most sense flexibility-wise and allows them to play matchups more often if they want to go that route. A rotation allows Arroyo to fill in at 2B, SS, 3B, and 4th outfielder to sun in while the DH spot is filled.
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Post by nomar on Sept 6, 2022 12:25:06 GMT -5
I’m not sure what Nimmo will get in terms of AAV, but I if signing Haniger and Conforto for RF and DH would only be $7-10M more, I’d try to sign both of them rather than going for the big fish in Nimmo. This team needs multiple bats.
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Post by bosoxkc on Sept 6, 2022 14:14:58 GMT -5
Signing both Haniger and Mancini would solve Rf, DH, and 1B (with Casas).
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Sept 6, 2022 14:21:50 GMT -5
Signing both Haniger and Mancini would solve Rf, DH, and 1B (with Casas). I LOVE Mitch, but signing him to patrol RF at Fenway would not be utilizing his skill set to the fullest
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Post by wcsoxfan on Sept 6, 2022 15:07:42 GMT -5
I don't see Haniger or Mancini as sizable DH upgrades over Hosmer. You're probably looking at adding about a half of a win. If there's a solid RHH platoon for cheap (like Refsnyder) then it may not even be an upgrade.
Conforto would be great in theory, but would be a huge gamble after a down year and a missed season. Interest would depend on the cost and medicals.
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Post by benzinger on Sept 6, 2022 15:21:35 GMT -5
I don't see Haniger or Mancini as sizable DH upgrades over Hosmer. You're probably looking at adding about a half of a win. If there's a solid RHH platoon for cheap (like Refsnyder) then it may not even be an upgrade. Conforto would be great in theory, but would be a huge gamble after a down year and a missed season. Interest would depend on the cost and medicals. No Franchy. That ship has sailed, and we are setting our sights higher for 2023. Kikè at $10m feels like an overpay, as well. He’s about as “average” as you can get. I like that it’s just 1 year, though.
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Post by crossedsabres8 on Sept 6, 2022 15:29:22 GMT -5
The $3M AAV raise probably has to do with a few things:
1. It's only a one year deal. 2. He vastly outperformed his previous contract. 3. He showed he can be an elite defensive centerfielder along with his utility. 4. Based off of an $8.5M/WAR, he should easily be a value given a healthy season. 5. He was reasonably the second best CF on the market this off-season.
All of that together I'm pretty happy with that deal.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 6, 2022 15:33:41 GMT -5
I don't see Haniger or Mancini as sizable DH upgrades over Hosmer. You're probably looking at adding about a half of a win. If there's a solid RHH platoon for cheap (like Refsnyder) then it may not even be an upgrade. Conforto would be great in theory, but would be a huge gamble after a down year and a missed season. Interest would depend on the cost and medicals. No Franchy. That ship has sailed, and we are setting our sights higher for 2023. Kikè at $10m feels like an overpay, as well. He’s about as “average” as you can get. I like that it’s just 1 year, though. Well is he average or is it an overpay? Because that's the salary of a below average free agent.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Sept 6, 2022 15:33:46 GMT -5
The $3M AAV raise probably has to do with a few things: 1. It's only a one year deal. 2. He vastly outperformed his previous contract. 3. He showed he can be an elite defensive centerfielder along with his utility. 4. Based off of an $8.5M/WAR, he should easily be a value given a healthy season. 5. He was reasonably the second best CF on the market this off-season. All of that together I'm pretty happy with that deal. My uninformed guesstimate is he’s getting somewhere between 17-20 million per, depending on the length.
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 6, 2022 15:37:57 GMT -5
I don't see Haniger or Mancini as sizable DH upgrades over Hosmer. You're probably looking at adding about a half of a win. If there's a solid RHH platoon for cheap (like Refsnyder) then it may not even be an upgrade. Conforto would be great in theory, but would be a huge gamble after a down year and a missed season. Interest would depend on the cost and medicals. No Franchy. That ship has sailed, and we are setting our sights higher for 2023. Kikè at $10m feels like an overpay, as well. He’s about as “average” as you can get. I like that it’s just 1 year, though. $10m for one year on a soon to be 30 year old excellent defensive CF doesn't look like an overpay in my mind. Especially when you take into account he was probably going to be the 2nd CF on the market. I bet he could have gotten more had he gone to market by a fair amount. As you point out though it's hard not to like the 1 year and if you are correct and it does turn out to be a bit of an overpay they can move on next year. It gives a guy like Raefella an extra year to hopefully progress and take over the role sometime in 2024. Also once again even if it is a bit of an overpay, I have a hard time believing $10m on one year is going to stop them for going after any other targets they like. So for the grand scheme of things for the 2023 squad, I like the extension.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Sept 6, 2022 15:51:44 GMT -5
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Post by Guidas on Sept 6, 2022 15:58:13 GMT -5
Not sure he deserved a raise Agree. Seems like an overpay. Still, only 1 year, but I would've preferred an incentive-laden deal.
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Post by jimoh on Sept 6, 2022 15:59:45 GMT -5
Kiké has of course hit 269.351.550.900 with 13 hrs in 69 post-season games. This is a very nice move.
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Post by benzinger on Sept 6, 2022 16:00:39 GMT -5
No Franchy. That ship has sailed, and we are setting our sights higher for 2023. Kikè at $10m feels like an overpay, as well. He’s about as “average” as you can get. I like that it’s just 1 year, though. Well is he average or is it an overpay? Because that's the salary of a below average free agent. Lol. Yeah, I guess we’ve reached the point in MLB where an “average” guy makes $10m/year. Doesn’t seem right, but I can’t deny it....
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Post by billw on Sept 6, 2022 16:10:04 GMT -5
GREAT!--10 million for a lifetime 240 hitter and 314 obp which is the definition of mediocrity. If this guy is a starter prepare to stink again. He is a fine bench player but a team that is CHEAP will not play 1o million for a bench guy--HE IS YOUR EVERY DAY CENTER FIELDER
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Sept 6, 2022 16:12:53 GMT -5
GREAT!--10 million for a lifetime 240 hitter and 314 obp which is the definition of mediocrity. If this guy is a starter prepare to stink again. He is a fine bench player but a team that is CHEAP will not play 1o million for a bench guy--HE IS YOUR EVERY DAY CENTER FIELDER Yeah, gonna need you to enter the 2020s, where a .240 is pretty solid, and $10mil is not that much money for a veteran
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Sept 6, 2022 16:33:48 GMT -5
Pre-rolling my eyes at how often "But Chaim promised Kiké they'd be better!" is going to get parroted by a particular poster here if the Sox underwhelm next year
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 6, 2022 17:51:42 GMT -5
Bloom has a lot of balls saying the 2023 team will be better. That is very questionable at this point, and certainly not knowable. I don't think it mattered to the player, but whatever. If it doesn't happen, he will be roasted with that quote for quite some time if it goes too far sideways.
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Post by reasonabledoubt on Sept 6, 2022 18:01:30 GMT -5
Interesting signing. Wondering if anything can be inferred vis-Ã -vis the likelihood of extending/re-signing Xander, Wacha, Devers or other top FA players as replacements? Would Kiké (a presumptive top CF FA on the open market) take this deal with so much uncertainty about the 2023 roster? I mean he probably could have got more years and maybe more dollars from some team. Could this mean that the Bloom and FSG provided some assurances about future roster investment and the competitiveness? Trying to read the tea leaves.
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Post by blizzards39 on Sept 6, 2022 18:08:37 GMT -5
Great signing in the fact it keeps all options open. And with the CF market being so week the Sox are not for Ed into anything. I prefer he is a super utility guy but he could be starting or platoon at CF 2B or SS.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 6, 2022 20:48:22 GMT -5
Bloom has a lot of balls saying the 2023 team will be better. That is very questionable at this point, and certainly not knowable. I don't think it mattered to the player, but whatever. If it doesn't happen, he will be roasted with that quote for quite some time if it goes too far sideways. Bloom is probably gone with a year worse than this, so he has little to lose by saying something like that. He'd be cooked in that scenario anyway.
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Post by manfred on Sept 6, 2022 20:54:14 GMT -5
Honest question: 1 WAR is like ~$7 million, right? In that case, I don’t see how you can call this an overpay. If Kikè hits even not great, his defense will provide much of the return. I mean, dude has had everything go wrong this year and could finish worth close to that amount.
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Post by bosoxnation on Sept 7, 2022 1:59:11 GMT -5
Blooms favorite deal. 1 year 10 million. I bet he’s offered that to half of the major league players by now. You can’t look bad with this deal but you can look good. We have way to many holes going into the offseason so it’s a smart move. I’m sure he understands this offseason will most likely make or break him as a GM.
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Post by notstarboard on Sept 7, 2022 7:58:01 GMT -5
GREAT!--10 million for a lifetime 240 hitter and 314 obp which is the definition of mediocrity. If this guy is a starter prepare to stink again. He is a fine bench player but a team that is CHEAP will not play 1o million for a bench guy--HE IS YOUR EVERY DAY CENTER FIELDER Kiké is a mediocre bat stapled onto an elite CF defender with enough positional versatility to fill in all over the diamond. That is definitely worth 1/10.
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Post by jmei on Jan 19, 2023 13:34:53 GMT -5
I moved the more recent Kiké discussion to a new thread so that we don't keep bumping this one (which risks having folks think we extended him again).
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