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9/9-9/11 Red Sox @ Orioles Series Thread
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 9, 2022 21:22:31 GMT -5
This game has hardened my support of the rule changes. I’d support going to 2 strikes a batter and 2 outs an inning if it means fewer hours of Mazz a week. Mute, learn it, love it.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Sept 9, 2022 21:23:20 GMT -5
It seems this year that the Sox grab a lead and hold it for awhile and then the other team takes the lead that the Sox just totally shut down. They have no clue after the opponent grabs the lead..It is maddening.
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Post by worldbfree on Sept 9, 2022 21:48:14 GMT -5
It seems this year that the Sox grab a lead and hold it for awhile and then the other team takes the lead that the Sox just totally shut down. They have no clue after the opponent grabs the lead..It is maddening. They had men on base the entire game. They just can't drive guys in, and the power in the lineup has mostly disappeared.
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Post by keninten on Sept 9, 2022 21:51:45 GMT -5
This game has hardened my support of the rule changes. I’d support going to 2 strikes a batter and 2 outs an inning if it means fewer hours of Mazz a week. I watch the other teams broadcast
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Post by manfred on Sept 9, 2022 21:55:49 GMT -5
Upside: Rays are beating the Yanks, and Jays are winning. I will remember this season with great pleasure if the Yankees finish in 3rd place. It is like a championship in a different way.
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Post by benzinger on Sept 9, 2022 22:04:39 GMT -5
"A corner OF no arm who doesn’t play particularly good defense, either. If you want to find a stat to get excited about, be my guest. I can’t join you in the celebration for Verdugotendi." 1.0 WAR in 131 games, brah.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 9, 2022 22:06:42 GMT -5
Upside: Rays are beating the Yanks, and Jays are winning. I will remember this season with great pleasure if the Yankees finish in 3rd place. It is like a championship in a different way. What's worse, blowing a big lead or out in one playoff series ? I'll takr the latter, business as usual.
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TearsIn04
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Everybody knows Nelson de la Rosa, but who is Karim Garcia?
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 9, 2022 22:14:42 GMT -5
I'll do the honors.
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Post by benzinger on Sept 9, 2022 22:20:01 GMT -5
Upside: Rays are beating the Yanks, and Jays are winning. I will remember this season with great pleasure if the Yankees finish in 3rd place. It is like a championship in a different way. It won’t happen, but mostly because the Rays and Jays play each other NINE more times this season. So they will spend the next couple weeks beating each other up. The Rays also have 6 with HOU left. Brutal schedule down the stretch.
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Post by dirtdog on Sept 9, 2022 22:21:08 GMT -5
Do we think Bello is a pencil in to the rotation for 2023 at this point? I think so. That's a big development for the Sox and the free agency game plan. Sale, Pivetta, Bello, hopefully bring back one of eovaldi/wacha if not both and if not FA as the 5th starter. With solid enough emergency/depth starters in the minors. I'd say we are stuck with Sale, Pivetta will be mid to back rotation, Bello back rotation to start the season. I d rather have Wacha on a cheap deal. Maybe Paxton. Think Nate Eovaldi on the decline. You know Bloom will grab one off the scrap heap. He can't help himself.
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TearsIn04
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Everybody knows Nelson de la Rosa, but who is Karim Garcia?
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 9, 2022 22:26:59 GMT -5
Watching the MFY post-game show after another one of their losses is about the only BB pleasure I have these days. I tuned in a few minutes ago and learned that Aaron Hicks was yanked out of the game after he misplayed two balls. On one, he didn't realize it landed fair. He didn't rush to get it in and a second run scored.
Good times!
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TearsIn04
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Everybody knows Nelson de la Rosa, but who is Karim Garcia?
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 9, 2022 22:31:11 GMT -5
The Hicks play was pretty bad. Take a look. He did a Duran and made no effort after his missed on the catch.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Sept 9, 2022 22:36:13 GMT -5
"A corner OF no arm who doesn’t play particularly good defense, either. If you want to find a stat to get excited about, be my guest. I can’t join you in the celebration for Verdugotendi." 1.0 WAR in 131 games, brah. Doesn't make your comment about his "bad arm" any less intelligent
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Post by benzinger on Sept 9, 2022 23:31:06 GMT -5
1.0 WAR in 131 games, brah. Doesn't make your comment about his "bad arm" any less intelligent Again, if you want to hump his ARM+ stats, be my guest.
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Post by xdmo on Sept 9, 2022 23:49:34 GMT -5
Doesn't make your comment about his "bad arm" any less intelligent Again, if you want to hump his ARM+ stats, be my guest. Pointed out how Verdugo is kind of a problem at a raised salary in another thread. For the second year in arbitration, not sure if he's worth spending the money on or trading for something else. You don't have many options in the outfield (which is a huge problem), but not sure if Verdugo is a answer to anything. Maybe the new rules helps Verdugo since he's a ground ball heavy hitter.
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Post by billw on Sept 10, 2022 8:19:39 GMT -5
I do not get the Verdugo bashing. He is the 3rd best offensive player on the team and plays average defense and also plays most every day. He will be a way better bargain than the Hernandez contract at 10 mill
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Sept 10, 2022 9:01:06 GMT -5
Again, if you want to hump his ARM+ stats, be my guest. Pointed out how Verdugo is kind of a problem at a raised salary in another thread. For the second year in arbitration, not sure if he's worth spending the money on or trading for something else. You don't have many options in the outfield (which is a huge problem), but not sure if Verdugo is a answer to anything. Maybe the new rules helps Verdugo since he's a ground ball heavy hitter. Not worth the money? He's projected at like $6mil, show me a better option at that amount.
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Post by xdmo on Sept 10, 2022 9:39:21 GMT -5
Pointed out how Verdugo is kind of a problem at a raised salary in another thread. For the second year in arbitration, not sure if he's worth spending the money on or trading for something else. You don't have many options in the outfield (which is a huge problem), but not sure if Verdugo is a answer to anything. Maybe the new rules helps Verdugo since he's a ground ball heavy hitter. Not worth the money? He's projected at like $6mil, show me a better option at that amount. One WAR worth around that amount. Probably could get that from virtually anywhere. I bet Pham could give you that or better for 6 million next year. Maybe another team sees something more in Verdugo's potential and age and pays more for it in a trade. Edit- A Duran/Pham platoon in LF next year actually doesn't sound like a half bad idea to revive Duran's career.
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Post by foreverred9 on Sept 10, 2022 10:08:28 GMT -5
He's not a 1 WAR player, if that's what people are thinking then we should stop there because debating worth when we aren't in agreement on his value is an exercise in futility.
Yes, bWAR is at 1.1 but fWAR is at 1.7. He's projected for another 0.4 fWAR so let's say his range for 2022 is 1.3 to 2.1 WAR.
bWAR is low this year, but it was equal to fWAR the past 2 years and over the past 4 years so it's questionable to only rely on that metric.
bWAR 19-22: 3.0, 2.1, 2.2, 1.1 (2.1 average, prior to annualizing 2020 and 2022) fWAR 19-22: 2.1, 1.9, 2.0, 1.7 (1.9 average, prior to annualizing 2020 and 2022)
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Post by xdmo on Sept 10, 2022 10:10:02 GMT -5
I do not get the Verdugo bashing. He is the 3rd best offensive player on the team and plays average defense and also plays most every day. He will be a way better bargain than the Hernandez contract at 10 mill If Kiké is healthy, he's a 2-3 win player and the better overall player. The versatility adds a layer of hidden value there on top of it.
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Post by xdmo on Sept 10, 2022 10:15:16 GMT -5
He's not a 1 WAR player, if that's what people are thinking then we should stop there because debating worth when we aren't in agreement on his value is an exercise in futility. Yes, bWAR is at 1.1 but fWAR is at 1.7. He's projected for another 0.4 fWAR so let's say his range for 2022 is 1.3 to 2.1 WAR. bWAR is low this year, but it was equal to fWAR the past 2 years and over the past 4 years so it's questionable to only rely on that metric. bWAR 19-22: 3.0, 2.1, 2.2, 1.1 (2.1 average, prior to annualizing 2020 and 2022) fWAR 19-22: 2.1, 1.9, 2.0, 1.7 (1.9 average, prior to annualizing 2020 and 2022) Even if he's a two WAR player, weren't you hoping for better than that at the time of the Mookie trade? I was hoping for a 3-4 WAR RF at Fenway the next 5 years at the time of the trade. Halfway into the deal, he's most comfortable only in LF (which took away value). He also has been trending down offensively since 2019 with the Dodgers.
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Post by benzinger on Sept 10, 2022 10:16:50 GMT -5
I do not get the Verdugo bashing. He is the 3rd best offensive player on the team and plays average defense and also plays most every day. He will be a way better bargain than the Hernandez contract at 10 mill When the best you can say about a guy is “well, at least he doesn’t make a lot of money”, you know you have lowered your standards. Verdugo has regressed badly since he arrived. He peaked in 2020 and has gone down every year since in BA, OBP, SLG & OPS(not exactly trivial stats). Considering he was the headliner the Sox got back in the Mookie trade, Verdugo’s regression and mediocrity hurt even more. I don’t get how he has any supporters out there, actually.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Sept 10, 2022 10:19:44 GMT -5
Not worth the money? He's projected at like $6mil, show me a better option at that amount. One WAR worth around that amount. Probably could get that from virtually anywhere. I bet Pham could give you that for 6 million next year or better. Maybe another team sees something more in Verdugo's potential and age and pays more for it in a trade. Edit- A Duran/Pham platoon in LF next year actually doesn't sound like a half bad idea to revive Duran's career. It doesn't sound like a half bad idea, it sounds like a full bad idea. And congrats on opening up a hole in RF in a bad FA class.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Sept 10, 2022 10:24:12 GMT -5
I do not get the Verdugo bashing. He is the 3rd best offensive player on the team and plays average defense and also plays most every day. He will be a way better bargain than the Hernandez contract at 10 mill When the best you can say about a guy is “well, at least he doesn’t make a lot of money”, you know you have lowered your standards. Verdugo has regressed badly since his arrived. He peaked in 2020 and has gone down every year since in BA, OBP, SLG & OPS(not exactly trivial stats). Considering he was the headliner the Sox got back in the Mookie trade, Verdugo’s regression and mediocrity hurt even more. I don’t get how he has any supporters out there, actually. when the Red Sox find a better replacement, then they can let him go. Until that happens, he is still way better than Duran. People complain that so-n-so is not a good player without a alternative is ignorant. You can not wave a magic wand and produce a replacement, and you can not MAKE a player sign by offering the moon…..
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Post by xdmo on Sept 10, 2022 10:28:20 GMT -5
One WAR worth around that amount. Probably could get that from virtually anywhere. I bet Pham could give you that for 6 million next year or better. Maybe another team sees something more in Verdugo's potential and age and pays more for it in a trade. Edit- A Duran/Pham platoon in LF next year actually doesn't sound like a half bad idea to revive Duran's career. It doesn't sound like a half bad idea, it sounds like a full bad idea. And congrats on opening up a hole in RF in a bad FA class. Verdugo has been a LF 75 percent of the time in 2022.
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