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Post by mparker on Dec 18, 2022 18:24:19 GMT -5
Better numbers than JD last year and a reasonable price. I'll take it.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 18, 2022 18:25:26 GMT -5
Rudimentary approach alert here, but by my count on his spray chart Turner had 13 fly outs last season that, were all his games at Fenway, would have been hits. Savant says he gains one home run at Fenway, so mostly doubles. If you give him 6 additional hits because you play half your games at home his average goes from .277 to .290. If they're all doubles his line goes from .277/.350/.438 to .290/.362/.468.
Obviously competition is different, aging, etc. etc. so this is mostly meaningless but it just interested me a little bit.
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Post by runner on Dec 18, 2022 18:27:20 GMT -5
Good. They were in a spot they had to have him. Now sign Segura, a lefty like Chafin, Rodgers, or Britton for the pen, and bring back Eovaldi. Just so I'm not misunderstanding, his ABs will mostly come at DH and only at 1b against tough lefties when Casas hits the bench and with his sliding over to 1b in those situations, Verdugo shifts to LF, Refsnyder takes over RF and Yoshida does the DHing? Could see them giving Devers some DH days too where Turner plays 3rd, and an occasional day off. No third base for Turner.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Dec 18, 2022 18:28:42 GMT -5
Pretty clever contract 14 million dollar salary with an 8 million dollar player option, brings the cbt number to 11
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Post by curtisw on Dec 18, 2022 18:29:18 GMT -5
This team desperately needs some RH punch. I’m encouraged that his hard hit rate wasn’t really off his career averages much, you could sell me that Turner has a bounce back and gets the OPS+ in the 125-130 range again. It’s probably going to stick around where it is now or even regress slightly and that’s fine. It’ll totally work with what we have right now.
Like it, but still looking to see where the rest of the now 30M is going. This does help me believe they are going to spend pretty close to the CBT.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 18, 2022 18:31:24 GMT -5
Could see them giving Devers some DH days too where Turner plays 3rd, and an occasional day off. No third base for Turner. Interesting. I will still take the over on 5 starts at 3B for Turner.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 18, 2022 18:32:43 GMT -5
Pretty clever contract 14 million dollar salary with an 8 million dollar player option, brings the cbt number to 11 Can someone remind me - if he does take the option for '24 will his luxury tax hit be $8M or $11M for that season?
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 18, 2022 18:35:02 GMT -5
No third base for Turner. Interesting. I will still take the over on 5 starts at 3B for Turner. I still think they acquire a bench guy with term and some chance a change of scenery helps that can play 3rd.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Dec 18, 2022 18:43:03 GMT -5
I dig this deal. Even if Turner exercises his player option, $8 million isn’t cost prohibitive for other improvements to be made next offseason.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 18, 2022 18:50:02 GMT -5
Sounds like they spent a lot of time arguing over the exact numbers lol
Alex Speier @alexspeier The Justin Turner contract is a one-year deal with a player option for 2024. He’ll get $8.3M in 2023 and $11.4M in 2024. The deal gives the Sox a RHH with pull power (well suited to Fenway) and a disciplined approach. Turner was a force down the stretch in 2022.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Dec 18, 2022 18:52:50 GMT -5
Sounds like they spent a lot of time arguing over the exact numbers lol Alex Speier @alexspeier The Justin Turner contract is a one-year deal with a player option for 2024. He’ll get $8.3M in 2023 and $11.4M in 2024. The deal gives the Sox a RHH with pull power (well suited to Fenway) and a disciplined approach. Turner was a force down the stretch in 2022. I like these numbers better than what heyman reported.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 18, 2022 19:22:30 GMT -5
Yay.
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Post by rico6 on Dec 18, 2022 19:22:54 GMT -5
Excellent. I didn't think they would get him for less than 10m. Nice deal.
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Post by awalkinthepark on Dec 18, 2022 19:24:09 GMT -5
A Yoshida/Turner platoon DH is so much better than a Hosmer/Dalbec platoon DH.
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Post by keninten on Dec 18, 2022 19:33:16 GMT -5
Nice wife too. It a lot of ways.
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Post by orion09 on Dec 18, 2022 19:42:08 GMT -5
I like this deal. It adds a good RH hitter and depth at 1B/DH/3B, which makes me feel a little better about the Hosmer DFA.
Turner was a 2.4 fWAR/123 wRC+ player last year, with his games split pretty evenly between 3B and DH.
It does make me wonder if Turner is Devers insurance at 3B (for 2023), similarly to the Story/Xander situation. On paper, it would seem to give them flexibility to trade Devers for prospects if they can’t sign him. It depends on whether you believe the “Sox source” that Turner is 1B/DH only, though it does call to mind the “Story is 2B only” situation from last year - I’m sure that stance would change if Devers were to be traded.
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Post by jimoh on Dec 18, 2022 19:58:04 GMT -5
Seems like a competent move. Giving atbats to Turner, Yoshida and (for a full year) Casas means a lot of men on base compared to last year. If we get the better versions of Kiké and Verdugo that could be great. We are just a couple of midpriced acquisitions away from me starting to feel mildly optimistic. Also the Hosmer DFA now makes perfect sense.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Dec 18, 2022 20:01:57 GMT -5
Sounds like they spent a lot of time arguing over the exact numbers lol Alex Speier @alexspeier The Justin Turner contract is a one-year deal with a player option for 2024. He’ll get $8.3M in 2023 and $11.4M in 2024. The deal gives the Sox a RHH with pull power (well suited to Fenway) and a disciplined approach. Turner was a force down the stretch in 2022. Apparently, Ken Rosenthal has it as $15m in 2023 and $7.7m player option for 2024 (per MLBTR).
I guess we'll find out eventually what the real deal is but he certainly strengthens the lineup for a not too expensive price.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Dec 18, 2022 20:03:32 GMT -5
I like this deal. It adds a good RH hitter and depth at 1B/DH/3B, which makes me feel a little better about the Hosmer DFA. Turner was a 2.4 fWAR/123 wRC+ player last year, with his games split pretty evenly between 3B and DH. It does make me wonder if Turner is Devers insurance at 3B, similarly to the Story/Xander situation. On paper, it would seem to give them flexibility to trade Devers if they can’t sign him. It depends on whether you believe the “Sox source” that Turner is 1B/DH only, though it does call to mind the “Story is 2B only” situation from last year - I’m sure that stance would change if Devers were to be traded. Huh?? Turner is 38 years old. The only insurance relevant here is Medicare...
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Post by orion09 on Dec 18, 2022 20:13:34 GMT -5
I like this deal. It adds a good RH hitter and depth at 1B/DH/3B, which makes me feel a little better about the Hosmer DFA. Turner was a 2.4 fWAR/123 wRC+ player last year, with his games split pretty evenly between 3B and DH. It does make me wonder if Turner is Devers insurance at 3B, similarly to the Story/Xander situation. On paper, it would seem to give them flexibility to trade Devers if they can’t sign him. It depends on whether you believe the “Sox source” that Turner is 1B/DH only, though it does call to mind the “Story is 2B only” situation from last year - I’m sure that stance would change if Devers were to be traded. Huh?? Turner is 38 years old. The only insurance relevant here is Medicare... I should have specified - for 2023 only. IE, if they try to extend Devers in the spring, decide it’s not going to happen, and decide to trade him for a prospect haul
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Post by costpet on Dec 18, 2022 20:15:28 GMT -5
Don't make fun of Medicare. It's a good deal. Us geezers need it.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Dec 18, 2022 20:18:02 GMT -5
He had a reverse split in 2022, .809 vs. RHP, .734 vs. LHP. For his career, he has a moderate reverse split. So, I think he's going to be the lead DH against all kinds of P.
He was the same hitter as JDM last year - JDM, 117 OPS-plus; JT, 116 OPS-plus - so I'm not sure I understand passing on JDM at one year, $10M and giving this deal to Turner. I guess it's the positional versatility. Turner can play 1B against certain LHP and 3B when Raffy needs the occasional rest. But they already have Dalbec for that, so I'm not seeing the value added that Turner brings to justify the larger contract than JDM.
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Post by cdj on Dec 18, 2022 20:20:40 GMT -5
Doubt he’s as much of a base clogger as JD is too
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Post by manfred on Dec 18, 2022 20:27:54 GMT -5
He had a reverse split in 2022, .809 vs. RHP, .734 vs. LHP. For his career, he has a moderate reverse split. So, I think he's going to be the lead DH against all kinds of P. He was the same hitter as JDM last year - JDM, 117 OPS-plus; JT, 116 OPS-plus - so I'm not sure I understand passing on JDM at one year, $10M and giving this deal to Turner. I guess it's the positional versatility. Turner can play 1B against certain LHP and 3B when Raffy needs the occasional rest. But they already have Dalbec for that, so I'm not seeing the value added that Turner brings to justify the larger contract than JDM. You gestured at one added value: position versatility. I suspect his decline is at a slower rate than JDM’s, but we’ll see. I bet it is a slight step up from JDM.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 18, 2022 20:29:07 GMT -5
I'm going with Rosenthal on this one. No idea how this works in terms of AAV
Ken Rosenthal @ken_Rosenthal Terms on Justin Turner with Red Sox, per source: Two years, $21.7M if he exercises player option for 2024, one year, $15M if he does not. Can also earn $200K each in ‘23 for 480, 500, 520, 540 and 560 plate appearances. Maximum $1M. Pending physical.
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