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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 8, 2023 11:36:20 GMT -5
I think Teoscar Hernandez would make a lot of sense next year. He can play RF on the road, LF at home, or DH. Hopefully Kavadas will pan out but I doubt they’ll be committing to him to that extent in 2024 regardless of how well he hits this year. You're probably right. That said, though, if Kavadas rakes in AA and AAA the way he did last year - and that is a HUGE if, them I'd have to think he'd be strongly in the mix for a DH spot if Turner leaves. He was voted Sox minor league offensive player of the year by their minor league evaluators/staff (I'm using the wrong terminology), but the point is they love his approach at the plate which they've pointed out. He has massive power and he is also not in his early 20s, so I'd think they'd fast track him more at 25 then if he were 21 or 22, especially with his advanced approach. Say Kavadas is able to be a legit LH power bat at DH, the Sox will have a lot of lefty power in the future between Devers, Casas, Mayer, and Kavadas. Add in Yoshida and maybe Valdez winds up in the mix at 2b, they could slant very LH. They will need to find RH power to balance that. I think Miguel Bleis and perhaps Yorke are the only RH power options on the distant horizon, depending upon what you think of Binelas (nope) and Blaze Jordan (could be, although with another franchise more likely) so they might be on the lookout for a righty bat much sooner feom the outside, to replace yet another lefty, Verdugo, down the road. I think at this point they in the near future, will only have RH power from Story and maybe Rafaela who will directly replace Hernandez in CF by 2024. Hadn't really thought about it that way but it's a good point. Pretty much all of their best hitting prospects are LHH. Hopefully they can find a long term answer to the need of a RHH mid lineup thumper by the end of next offseason.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 8, 2023 11:49:20 GMT -5
You're probably right. That said, though, if Kavadas rakes in AA and AAA the way he did last year - and that is a HUGE if, them I'd have to think he'd be strongly in the mix for a DH spot if Turner leaves. He was voted Sox minor league offensive player of the year by their minor league evaluators/staff (I'm using the wrong terminology), but the point is they love his approach at the plate which they've pointed out. He has massive power and he is also not in his early 20s, so I'd think they'd fast track him more at 25 then if he were 21 or 22, especially with his advanced approach. Say Kavadas is able to be a legit LH power bat at DH, the Sox will have a lot of lefty power in the future between Devers, Casas, Mayer, and Kavadas. Add in Yoshida and maybe Valdez winds up in the mix at 2b, they could slant very LH. They will need to find RH power to balance that. I think Miguel Bleis and perhaps Yorke are the only RH power options on the distant horizon, depending upon what you think of Binelas (nope) and Blaze Jordan (could be, although with another franchise more likely) so they might be on the lookout for a righty bat much sooner feom the outside, to replace yet another lefty, Verdugo, down the road. I think at this point they in the near future, will only have RH power from Story and maybe Rafaela who will directly replace Hernandez in CF by 2024. Hadn't really thought about it that way but it's a good point. Pretty much all of their best hitting prospects are LHH. Hopefully they can find a long term answer to the need of a RHH mid lineup thumper by the end of next offseason. Kind of funny because I thought they were short from the LH side recently, but it'll be going the other way in the future, the way it's looking.
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Post by bosoxnation on Jan 8, 2023 17:53:57 GMT -5
What’s the likelihood he stays more then 1 year?
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Post by shagworthy on Jan 10, 2023 9:59:03 GMT -5
A little sacrilege they allowed Turner to choose #2 as his number so soon after Bogey's departure. They really should have retired it after Bogey left for Remy, who while not a HOF in the traditional sense, was one of the heart and soul's of that organization just like Pesky was. Another tone deaf missed opportunity...
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Post by Canseco on Jan 10, 2023 10:11:26 GMT -5
A little sacrilege they allowed Turner to choose #2 as his number so soon after Bogey's departure. They really should have retired it after Bogey left for Remy, who while not a HOF in the traditional sense, was one of the heart and soul's of that organization just like Pesky was. Another tone deaf missed opportunity... Mehhh… I have to disagree there. Teams are getting way too loose with number retirements. The only guys up there should be franchise-defining greats who played most or all of their careers there. Some combination of 10+ years with the big league club, HOF (as a player), and World Series ring(s) should be the minimum threshold. It’s fine to honor guys like Pesky and Remy in other ways, but the number retirement has to be reserved for the likes of Williams, Yaz, and Ortiz.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jan 10, 2023 10:23:41 GMT -5
I'm afraid that Kavadas is going to wind up being a poor man's Bobby Dalbec, with fewer tools.
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Post by seamus on Jan 10, 2023 11:39:52 GMT -5
I'm afraid that Kavadas is going to wind up being a poor man's Bobby Dalbec, with fewer tools. Kavadas has a way better plate approach in addition to a hit tool that could be fringe-average. He might resemble Dalbec in terms of power and strikeouts, but he's got the potential for a much more dynamic offensive profile. Dalbec's advantage would be the potential to be a vaguely average first baseman while Kavadas is probably close to DH-only. I just can't see Dalbec still on the team come spring given how Turner can provide everything Dalbec could. I guess he could go to AAA, but it seems almost a guarantee he'll be part of whatever trade package ultimately gets pulled together for a starter and/or shortstop. I could see the Padres being interested given their weird right-side of the infield.
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Post by tjb21 on Jan 10, 2023 13:01:52 GMT -5
I'm afraid that Kavadas is going to wind up being a poor man's Bobby Dalbec, with fewer tools. Would probably be a good outcome for Kavadas, if we're being truthful here. Really like the Turner signing btw. He should be a WAR upgrade from JD, even if it's slightly.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 1, 2023 23:02:15 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 30, 2023 17:25:19 GMT -5
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jul 30, 2023 18:23:15 GMT -5
Call me crazy, but 38 years old and playoffs not currently a sure thing, I’d probably listen. Chaim could get some serious pieces for Paxton, Turner and Duvall.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 30, 2023 18:47:24 GMT -5
Call me crazy, but 38 years old and playoffs not currently a sure thing, I’d probably listen. Chaim could get some serious pieces for Paxton, Turner and Duvall. So you're ready to bail on the season? So many just want want to quit instead of compete. Nothing is sure, but let's compete, guys. We're in the mix. We're unlikely to win the WS, but so are the Braves and Dodgers. We were unlikely to win the WS in 2013, but we did. I'm not saying sell the farm for low odds, but at some point, you have to compete. These are professional baseball players, pretty sure they want to compete to win when possible.
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Post by cdj on Jul 30, 2023 19:35:31 GMT -5
The part of the fan base who wants to waive the white flag just want it waived so the team can suck from here on out and they can use that as an excuse to blast Chaim. They’re the same people who have been out on the team since before the season started. It’s incredibly transparent.
Trading Turner would be malpractice. People suggesting that they trade Turner have no feel for how a team is constructed. They think it’s MLB The Show.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 30, 2023 20:11:23 GMT -5
For those who've not had the pleasure of watching Turner on a regular basis, again this is who he is. When he's healthy he hits. The swing is a practiced thing that he repeats almost automatically. As a cost-cutting measure, LA's decision to cut him loose was all to the benefit of the Sox. He's incredibly valuable.
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Post by bosoxnation on Jul 30, 2023 20:15:14 GMT -5
I want this man to retire a Red Sox. I think he can play 3-4 more years. True professional.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 30, 2023 20:17:05 GMT -5
I wonder if they could work out an extension. He costs the Red Sox $7M no matter what next year. Get him up to $20M it’s an extra $13 but are there many better places for them to spend that?
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jul 30, 2023 20:21:21 GMT -5
Call me crazy, but 38 years old and playoffs not currently a sure thing, I’d probably listen. Chaim could get some serious pieces for Paxton, Turner and Duvall. So you're ready to bail on the season? So many just want want to quit instead of compete. Nothing is sure, but let's compete, guys. We're in the mix. We're unlikely to win the WS, but so are the Braves and Dodgers. We were unlikely to win the WS in 2013, but we did. I'm not saying sell the farm for low odds, but at some point, you have to compete. These are professional baseball players, pretty sure they want to compete to win when possible. Not exactly bail because I think the returns of Sale, Houck, Whitlock and Story keep us in it. Just saying I’m curious about Chaim’s ability to possibly speed up the process a bit by acquiring good/controllable pieces for players who don’t have much of a future on this team (age, contract, prospects on the cusp, etc). Could see them sell Paxton and Duvall for pieces they like more than others they trade away to replace them.
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Post by bosoxnation on Jul 30, 2023 20:23:03 GMT -5
I wonder if they could work out an extension. He costs the Red Sox $7M no matter what next year. Get him up to $20M it’s an extra $13 but are there many better places for them to spend that? i would offer him 3 years 50 mill. Let him ride off into the sunset after that. I think that's fair for both sides. A guy who can play 3 infield positions and rake and RHH which we need. We should keep him around. Plus he's a true professional AND he's a ginger.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 30, 2023 21:06:58 GMT -5
Remember, if it drifts into pure trade talk, please take it to that thread. Thanks.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 30, 2023 21:13:44 GMT -5
The part of the fan base who wants to waive the white flag just want it waived so the team can suck from here on out and they can use that as an excuse to blast Chaim. They’re the same people who have been out on the team since before the season started. It’s incredibly transparent. Trading Turner would be malpractice. People suggesting that they trade Turner have no feel for how a team is constructed. They think it’s MLB The Show. I don't think that's quite it, although maybe it is for some. I think fans have been conditioned by teams to think the dichotomy is that the only way to build a team is to do things that harm your team in the short term to get the maximum potential return in the long-term. Trust the Process, etc. Meanwhile, "The Process" usually means a decreased payroll for several years... Yes, sometimes you do need to tear it down to build it back up better. I mean, look at the damn Orioles. But this idea that if you are not the absolute favorite you should bail on the season is infuriating to me. The Red Sox are 2.5 games out of a playoff spot. Literally a good week combined with a bad week for Toronto or Houston. Why would you not try? That's confounding to me.
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Post by cdj on Jul 30, 2023 21:22:33 GMT -5
The part of the fan base who wants to waive the white flag just want it waived so the team can suck from here on out and they can use that as an excuse to blast Chaim. They’re the same people who have been out on the team since before the season started. It’s incredibly transparent. Trading Turner would be malpractice. People suggesting that they trade Turner have no feel for how a team is constructed. They think it’s MLB The Show. I don't think that's quite it, although maybe it is for some. I think fans have been conditioned by teams to think the dichotomy is that the only way to build a team is to do things that harm your team in the short term to get the maximum potential return in the long-term. Trust the Process, etc. Meanwhile, "The Process" usually means a decreased payroll for several years... Yes, sometimes you do need to tear it down to build it back up better. I mean, look at the damn Orioles. But this idea that if you are not the absolute favorite you should bail on the season is infuriating to me. The Red Sox are 2.5 games out of a playoff spot. Literally a good week combined with a bad week for Toronto or Houston. Why would you not try? That's confounding to me. That’s fair- I only say this because he’s clearly the central figure in the locker room. I think trading that isn’t just selling, it’s tanking. And losing him would hurt for next year too.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 30, 2023 22:34:18 GMT -5
The part of the fan base who wants to waive the white flag just want it waived so the team can suck from here on out and they can use that as an excuse to blast Chaim. They’re the same people who have been out on the team since before the season started. It’s incredibly transparent. Trading Turner would be malpractice. People suggesting that they trade Turner have no feel for how a team is constructed. They think it’s MLB The Show. I don't think that's quite it, although maybe it is for some. I think fans have been conditioned by teams to think the dichotomy is that the only way to build a team is to do things that harm your team in the short term to get the maximum potential return in the long-term. Trust the Process, etc. Meanwhile, "The Process" usually means a decreased payroll for several years... Yes, sometimes you do need to tear it down to build it back up better. I mean, look at the damn Orioles. But this idea that if you are not the absolute favorite you should bail on the season is infuriating to me. The Red Sox are 2.5 games out of a playoff spot. Literally a good week combined with a bad week for Toronto or Houston. Why would you not try? That's confounding to me. ...they were down so long it looked like up to them! The rebuild took hold but not every team needs a rebuild. There's a mess of games left and a lot can happen. I'm as frustrated as anyone over two 1-run losses that were there for the taking. But kicking the can down the road is silly talk, I agree.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 31, 2023 0:42:47 GMT -5
I don't think that's quite it, although maybe it is for some. I think fans have been conditioned by teams to think the dichotomy is that the only way to build a team is to do things that harm your team in the short term to get the maximum potential return in the long-term. Trust the Process, etc. Meanwhile, "The Process" usually means a decreased payroll for several years... Yes, sometimes you do need to tear it down to build it back up better. I mean, look at the damn Orioles. But this idea that if you are not the absolute favorite you should bail on the season is infuriating to me. The Red Sox are 2.5 games out of a playoff spot. Literally a good week combined with a bad week for Toronto or Houston. Why would you not try? That's confounding to me. That’s fair- I only say this because he’s clearly the central figure in the locker room. I think trading that isn’t just selling, it’s tanking. And losing him would hurt for next year too. Yeah, with Kiké gone they need to cling onto JT who has become their veteran anchor. It would become a full out mutiny in the clubhouse if he is traded. Keep this man around Chaim.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 31, 2023 6:03:52 GMT -5
That’s fair- I only say this because he’s clearly the central figure in the locker room. I think trading that isn’t just selling, it’s tanking. And losing him would hurt for next year too. Yeah, with Kiké gone they need to cling onto JT who has become their veteran anchor. It would become a full out mutiny in the clubhouse if he is traded. Keep this man around Chaim. He's not trading Turner. There are reports that he is not trading Turner. Bloom isn't punting on the season, nor should he.
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