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Post by Underwater Johnson on Oct 6, 2023 21:14:04 GMT -5
I wonder if teams have just decided that surgeons are good enough at reconstructing elbows that they just don’t care that the things they teach these guys are going to cause their arms to blow up. If that’s the case you’d think that megacontracts for pitchers are only going to become rarer as teams build the assumption that a guy will be out for (at least) a year into their offers. I think teams are hamstrung by the reality of the market and buy extra insurance to offset the risk.
It's interesting that the teams that are best at teaching unheralded prospects to be MLB pitchers (e.g. TB) seem to have the most arms blow out. At least it's not football where the risk is long-term brain damage. You can live a full life post-sports with a threadbare UCL.
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Post by cdj on Oct 21, 2023 8:55:21 GMT -5
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Post by incandenza on Oct 21, 2023 9:22:19 GMT -5
"Good" would be generous. He had a 120 wRC+, which would have been pretty middle of the road among first baseman. At shortstop, with somewhat above average defense according to OAA, he had 4.4 WAR. For comparison, Pete Alonso had a 121 wRC+ and average defense at 1B and that was good for 2.8 WAR. I think 2B would make better sense for him, and the article mentions that would be his preference, but Cronenworth would probably be the better defensive second baseman, so...
This article made me mad all over again that Preller gave him that contract. It's such a ridiculous contract, and he's such a ridiculously poor fit for that roster.
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Post by asm19 on Oct 21, 2023 11:57:43 GMT -5
"Good" would be generous. He had a 120 wRC+, which would have been pretty middle of the road among first baseman. At shortstop, with somewhat above average defense according to OAA, he had 4.4 WAR. For comparison, Pete Alonso had a 121 wRC+ and average defense at 1B and that was good for 2.8 WAR. I think 2B would make better sense for him, and the article mentions that would be his preference, but Cronenworth would probably be the better defensive second baseman, so...
This article made me mad all over again that Preller gave him that contract. It's such a ridiculous contract, and he's such a ridiculously poor fit for that roster.
Preller is crazy, but I think I blame the owner Seidler more. If you’re going to empower your GM to potentially light money on fire in pursuit of winning, you can’t do a full 180 twelve months later and float out that you need cut payroll (and possibly trade a generational star you spent half of your farm system to acquire…). In comparison, Steve Cohen saw last year’s spending as a sunk cost and was willing to eat the Verlander/Scherzer money to acquire prospects.
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Post by bosox904 on Oct 21, 2023 18:09:41 GMT -5
"Good" would be generous. He had a 120 wRC+, which would have been pretty middle of the road among first baseman. At shortstop, with somewhat above average defense according to OAA, he had 4.4 WAR. For comparison, Pete Alonso had a 121 wRC+ and average defense at 1B and that was good for 2.8 WAR. I think 2B would make better sense for him, and the article mentions that would be his preference, but Cronenworth would probably be the better defensive second baseman, so...
This article made me mad all over again that Preller gave him that contract. It's such a ridiculous contract, and he's such a ridiculously poor fit for that roster.
Preller is crazy, but I think I blame the owner Seidler more. If you’re going to empower your GM to potentially light money on fire in pursuit of winning, you can’t do a full 180 twelve months later and float out that you need cut payroll (and possibly trade a generational star you spent half of your farm system to acquire…). In comparison, Steve Cohen saw last year’s spending as a sunk cost and was willing to eat the Verlander/Scherzer money to acquire prospects. But isn't their need to cut payroll about some MLB rules rather than ownership demanding it?
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Post by julyanmorley on Oct 22, 2023 16:35:58 GMT -5
Sounds like Padres manager Bob Melvin to the Giants. He had been reportedly feuding with AJ Preller. Varitek had been mentioned as a candidate for the Giants.
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Post by chr31ter on Nov 1, 2023 16:10:36 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 1, 2023 16:10:37 GMT -5
Wow
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 1, 2023 16:19:47 GMT -5
Key parts of the above... I wonder if this is the beginning signs of a fire sale for the Padres this offseason
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 1, 2023 16:40:30 GMT -5
My "We are not in crisis. We are managing the business responsibly" T-shirt has people asking a lot of questions already answered by my shirt.
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 1, 2023 16:42:13 GMT -5
That would seem to be a slippery slope there. Not a great look even if there's nothing too big to be concerned about according to the report.
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Nov 1, 2023 17:27:39 GMT -5
This feels like the kind of thing that precipitates a massive sell-off. And now that it's been telegraphed to the world, good luck trading with any leverage. What an unmitigated disaster.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 1, 2023 21:52:43 GMT -5
Echoing Hatfield's wow... This certainly punches enough tickets for a bus ride out of town. All the blather about a "capital plan for 2023" aside, when big daddy back at MLB HQ has to ok your trip to the candy store after going over your books, you're definitely on probation. All the conjecture about the wild spending was well-placed. The salient point buried in all that text is the simple fact that: That's likely where the hole in the wallet is. And yes, I can't imagine there won't be a few of those high-priced contracts on that bus. As for Preller, he may want to get in good voice for the chorus here:
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Nov 1, 2023 22:32:23 GMT -5
Trade for Xander, have SD eat the excess over what Chaim offered him, and put him at 2B (then LF for the back half of the deal). All is forgiven.
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Post by incandenza on Nov 1, 2023 22:46:57 GMT -5
Trade for Xander, have SD eat the excess over what Chaim offered him, and put him at 2B (then LF for the back half of the deal). All is forgiven. The funny thing is, since he's their most redundant and most overpaid player, it would probably be a smart move for the Padres to do that. I suppose pride won't allow them to have spent $130 million for one season of Xander Bogaerts though.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Nov 1, 2023 22:53:21 GMT -5
I wonder what kind of interest rate they got on that $50m loan…
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 1, 2023 23:36:16 GMT -5
You have to wonder what it would take for Preller to be fired.
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Post by keninten on Nov 2, 2023 0:05:13 GMT -5
Trade for Xander, have SD eat the excess over what Chaim offered him, and put him at 2B (then LF for the back half of the deal). All is forgiven. The funny thing is, since he's their most redundant and most overpaid player, it would probably be a smart move for the Padres to do that. I suppose pride won't allow them to have spent $130 million for one season of Xander Bogaerts though. They need pitching and improvements with the defense. Xander does neither.
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Post by bluechip on Nov 2, 2023 3:54:17 GMT -5
Trade for Xander, have SD eat the excess over what Chaim offered him, and put him at 2B (then LF for the back half of the deal). All is forgiven. San Deigo would need to eat more than that to trade him. He’s a year older now and those less productive years on the backend are closer.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 2, 2023 9:18:19 GMT -5
You have to wonder what it would take for Preller to be fired. I was about to reply that it's tough to fire a guy for doing what ownership probably instructed him to do, but...
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 2, 2023 9:21:57 GMT -5
You have to wonder what it would take for Preller to be fired. I was about to reply that it's tough to fire a guy for doing what ownership probably instructed him to do, but... I'm sure he had the backing of ownership and I like an ownership willing to spend a lot of money but they did it so foolishly.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 2, 2023 10:35:09 GMT -5
There's spending money, and then there's blowing through your operating capital. It's not a good sign when you're denied half of what you think you need.
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Post by cdj on Nov 2, 2023 18:37:23 GMT -5
Yankees purging themselves of the scumbags, Domingo German and Jimmy Cordero both waived
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Post by shagworthy on Nov 2, 2023 18:40:49 GMT -5
I am assuaging myself in the fact the Yankees are ao rudderless right now operationally they are bringing outside consultants in to tell them areas they need to pull their head out of their arses.
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Post by foreverred9 on Nov 2, 2023 19:00:18 GMT -5
Isn't the problem with the Padres that they stopped getting revenue from Diamond Sports? I'd be stunned if their finance department at the beginning of the year wasn't prepared to have adequate cash flows cover their payroll, so I think what must be causing this is that with Diamond giving up their rights that the MLB cash flows aren't as much as what they would have gotten from Diamond. www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/37762861/diamond-sports-group-fails-pay-padres-loses-broadcast-rights
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